This is what I believe about the difference between the 2 kinds of good works....
Romans 10:2-3 (NASB)
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2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
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3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and
seeking to establish their own (
by their own good works ), they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. ( He has good works for us to do..but they originate from Him and flow out of our inner man to others )
Blue is my italics
There is a massive difference between the two "good works" in God's eyes...to men they look the same...
The ridiculous idea that one can do whatever they want after coming to Christ is another myth...and I paste from someone that "spells" it out in a teaching format.....people if interested can read it for themselves.....
Ladylynn talks about the need for teaching in areas in which longer posts are needed to clarify things..for more info see post #15
It takes time to learn about the Bible. We can't grasp all of a truth unless we meditate on it and compare Scripture with Scripture. A quick post on CC is not going to do it. Neither will an argument with dueling Bible verses.
Well to be honest that's all I understand most the people that say works will come after salvation to be saying as you put it "
He has good works for us to do..but they originate from Him and flow out of our inner man to others", and I think the "paste" thing came off wrong and not how I intended it, I meant it not as a criticism or slap in the face for laziness, but just that what you are pasting may not be seen as exactly how you see it or want it to be seen. That's why taking time to type out your own thoughts would be better, or just adding notes like you did in this comment.
A good example of this is I know you don't think or believe thinks like, "
ridiculous idea that one can do whatever they want after coming to Christ", nor would I say "you've said that", but honestly that's how your arguments come off sometimes, and it does honestly sound like what you trying to sell. In the same way I think you and a few others here do the exact same thing the other way. I don't see ANYONE on here saying "we have to do works to gain or keep salvation", and agree they could do a little more to clarify their positions too, but you both are so hung up on "being right" that you talk past each other. Honestly I really think a lot of you just like to argue, and how is that serving to Jesus name at all? I've said it before and I'm sure it will be skipped over again the same way, just so more effort can be spent on arguing with brothers and sisters, but you are both arguing the same thing from different angles, and I think pride keeps you BOTH from coming together. Whatever though, if y'all think bickering like this serves to bring Him glory then "game on".
