How to Recognize a Mixed-Grace Gospel

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Grace777x70 said:
Well..Creflo said a few years ago that the Lord showed him the true gospel of grace...and has been teaching grace since then.. It takes a humble person to admit he was wrong about some things he was teaching. He came out in front of his congregation and spoke about this revelation of the gospel of grace. ...which is why he said it was new to him..ie..obedience of faith".....and he did answer it....

I have no interest in debating Creflo and what his beliefs are..that's between you and God and Creflo.

I did answer the "obedience to the faith"...it's on this thread....post #16.....:)
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You say you have no interest in debating creflos beliefs..yet, you HOLD him up in your debate to try and prove your point. Don't forget Joseph smith said that god showed him the true gospel also was he right? secondly, he still teaches a false gospel, and if you where actually interested you could check out his claims about his ''new'' teaching. check church history what has the church always taught... certainly nothing like what creflo teaches.
 
I simply referred to his teaching on obedience of the faith....as I say..you can bash him with the Lord....


phil36 said:
You say you have no interest in debating creflos beliefs..yet, you HOLD him up in your debate to try and prove your point. Don't forget Joseph smith said that god showed him the true gospel also was he right? secondly, he still teaches a false gospel, and if you where actually interested you could check out his claims about his ''new'' teaching. check church history what has the church always taught... certainly nothing like what creflo teaches.
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Grace777x70 said:
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Hi grace777x70,

I would amen to those to statements above....both those men where obedient to the law of Christ in their christian lives.. you should read the works of these to men ;)

I think you are arguing against a straw man grace777x70. Faith without obedience or doing good works is a dead faith.. as I have said in another thread salvation is all grace :) I don't think you actuly understand what it is you think you are arguing against.
 
Ok..I will give it one last college try about what I believe about good works.....I have more on it too..but this should work...:)...

Romans 10:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own ( by their own good works ), they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. ( He has good works for us to do..but they originate from Him and flow out of our inner man to others )

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There is a massive difference between the two "good works" in God's eyes...to men they look the same...
 
Grace777x70 said:
This is what I believe about the difference between the 2 kinds of good works....

Romans 10:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own ( by their own good works ), they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. ( He has good works for us to do..but they originate from Him and flow out of our inner man to others )

Blue is my italics

There is a massive difference between the two "good works" in God's eyes...to men they look the same...

The ridiculous idea that one can do whatever they want after coming to Christ is another myth...and I paste from someone that "spells" it out in a teaching format.....people if interested can read it for themselves.....:)

Ladylynn talks about the need for teaching in areas in which longer posts are needed to clarify things..for more info see post #15

It takes time to learn about the Bible. We can't grasp all of a truth unless we meditate on it and compare Scripture with Scripture. A quick post on CC is not going to do it. Neither will an argument with dueling Bible verses.
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Well to be honest that's all I understand most the people that say works will come after salvation to be saying as you put it "He has good works for us to do..but they originate from Him and flow out of our inner man to others", and I think the "paste" thing came off wrong and not how I intended it, I meant it not as a criticism or slap in the face for laziness, but just that what you are pasting may not be seen as exactly how you see it or want it to be seen. That's why taking time to type out your own thoughts would be better, or just adding notes like you did in this comment.

A good example of this is I know you don't think or believe thinks like, "ridiculous idea that one can do whatever they want after coming to Christ", nor would I say "you've said that", but honestly that's how your arguments come off sometimes, and it does honestly sound like what you trying to sell. In the same way I think you and a few others here do the exact same thing the other way. I don't see ANYONE on here saying "we have to do works to gain or keep salvation", and agree they could do a little more to clarify their positions too, but you both are so hung up on "being right" that you talk past each other. Honestly I really think a lot of you just like to argue, and how is that serving to Jesus name at all? I've said it before and I'm sure it will be skipped over again the same way, just so more effort can be spent on arguing with brothers and sisters, but you are both arguing the same thing from different angles, and I think pride keeps you BOTH from coming together. Whatever though, if y'all think bickering like this serves to bring Him glory then "game on".
 
Christ insists but never lures/baits...He beseeches us to 'obey' My Father as I do',
'if you love Me, keep My Commandments....walk as I have walked among you, and Love as I have Loved you....

these requests of our Saviour cannot be negated...we are obligated-commanded to obey...
 
Nobody who looks at Christ's teaching and thinks they do not have to follow them anymore like hyper grace teaches has God.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
so your perfect. you have perfected the law?
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Did he say he was? What did I miss? He said he wants to obey Christ teachings so you call him out? Well I stand with him, I too want to obey the one that died so I could be saved. Am I "bad" too? I must have missed the comment where he claimed perfection, can you point it out to me?
 
Jimbone said:
Did he say he was? What did I miss? He said he wants to obey Christ teachings so you call him out? Well I stand with him, I too want to obey the one that died so I could be saved. Am I "bad" too? I must have missed the comment where he claimed perfection, can you point it out to me?
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He is a well known trouble maker and false accuser. Here is the best way to deal with him....

This message is hidden because eternally-gratefull is on your ignore list.
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no dudes eternally grateful is a truth-teller. you legalists just do not like the truth.
 
anyone who says or implies that we are saved by anything other grace. goods works are the result of grace, not the cause.
 
eternallife7 said:
Nobody who looks at Christ's teaching and thinks they do not have to follow them anymore like hyper grace teaches has God.
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Hyper grace is a manufactured term.

Must you be compelled to do anything? Have you ever done something because you wanted to do it?

Caterpillars crawl because it's their nature to crawl. Butterflies fly because it's in their nature to fly. When the caterpillar becomes the butterfly his nature changes. He now wants to fly where before he wanted to crawl. Betimes he may crawl but he still flies due to his new nature.

2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

For the cause of Christ
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phil36 said:
Interesting. So you would agree that the christian who is obedient to the law of Christ is not a legalist?
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yes, I would agree with that. but I obey BEACAUSE I am saved, not to be saved. that is the key.
 
gb9 said:
anyone who says or implies that we are saved by anything other grace. goods works are the result of grace, not the cause.
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Well I can agree with that, who has said that? I haven't seen it claimed in this thread, can you point out the comment or comments where this has been claimed here? Honestly guys I haven't see anyone claim there is more than grace needed for salvation, or that we are saved and can then do anything we want and live in complete sin as we did before, yet that is what this whole thread is arguing. It's plain silly and as brothers and sisters in Christ I honestly think we should be more careful and clear with what we are accusing each other of and proclaiming. Our time could be spent so much better than arguing with each other, by I don't know, lifting each other up and trying to come together to bring glory to His name instead, maybe? Look I'm not trying to act like I know it all, heck I am still very young in Christ (28 months), but man this gets worse than YouTube sometimes and we are all suppose to be Christians, maybe we can ALL try to act like it, myself included of course.
 
gb9 said:
yes, I would agree with that. but I obey BEACAUSE I am saved, not to be saved. that is the key.
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No that's not right. We obey because to do otherwise is to not be saved. It might be our nature to naturally obey, but there is also a healthy amount of fear in the hearts of the godly that works to be saved.

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