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but what i'm saying is that for a species to evolve, it adapts to its enviroments in multiple ways over a long period of time, for example for polar bears to originally adapt to their enviroment they adapted a white coat, a fattier build (not a scientific term i know, but i'm not a scientist) and thus over time become a new species seperate from other forms of bear
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Sharppe, start with Darwin's "Origin of the Species." Then look at the latest science on transposons. Breeding predates Darwin and the processes were well known (including the concept of mule sterilization). Selective breeding supposedly achieves results so fast because it interposes an artificial intelligent direction that operates so much faster than random chance. OK, breed a new species.
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the thing is with natural selection its not comepletely random chance, its survival of the fittest meaning that charecteristics of a species which benefit its survival in the enviroment it lives in are more likely to be passed on, and charecteristics which impede the species survival are less likely to, it can be argued that is a form of selective breeding, although selected by nature rather than a human or supernatural entity
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You will always hear people claim that evolution fake, but it is indeed observable. What I don't understand is why evolution would prove that no god exist. It all depends on how literal you take the bible. If you think the world is around 6K years old then no, you couldn't believe in both, but one thing that bothers me (as an atheist) is when the bible is used as a reference of scientific fact. It is obvious that the bible was not meant to be a science book. I don't like it when people, Christian or atheist, try to use the bible to prove science. It was not made to be a science book. Many people believe in evolution and are devout christians. I don't see a problem with it.
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Ok... If you're an atheist and believe in evolution, I personally believe you're clinging to a false hope, but whatever. At worst, you're just being a little ignorant. However, if you're an atheist and DON'T believe in evolution, you are obviously very confused or a complete moron. Just saying, without the theory of evolution, there is no explanation for atheism either ~_o
And anyway, did you guys even read what I wrote? Like dude above said, adaptation allows for variety within a species, but it does not change the organism. Here's a very CLOSE example of what I mean-
Gorillas have, if I recall correctly, 45 chromosomes. Humans have 46. Where on earth did the extra chromosome come from!??! An extra chromosome gives Down's Syndrome, which hinders reproducibility and, if I'm not mistaken, makes you infertile. Plus, even if it DID make you fertile with only others with 46 chromosomes, what are the chances that another person of the opposite sex and a disability will survive, find each other, breed, and over each and every DISADVANTAGED generation, we will eventually mutate out of the disadvantages and become what we call a human today? There is NO way that happened, but according to evolution, that's the ONLY way it could have happened.
Can you please explain if I have something wrong here?
And anyway, did you guys even read what I wrote? Like dude above said, adaptation allows for variety within a species, but it does not change the organism. Here's a very CLOSE example of what I mean-
Gorillas have, if I recall correctly, 45 chromosomes. Humans have 46. Where on earth did the extra chromosome come from!??! An extra chromosome gives Down's Syndrome, which hinders reproducibility and, if I'm not mistaken, makes you infertile. Plus, even if it DID make you fertile with only others with 46 chromosomes, what are the chances that another person of the opposite sex and a disability will survive, find each other, breed, and over each and every DISADVANTAGED generation, we will eventually mutate out of the disadvantages and become what we call a human today? There is NO way that happened, but according to evolution, that's the ONLY way it could have happened.
Can you please explain if I have something wrong here?
ok i suggest you go and see what atheism is because evolution has nothing to do with atheism second the theory doesnt say we evolved from gorillas so if your thinking a gorilla along time go had a baby with an extra chromosome so it was born human is that what your trying to say because i dont really understand your theory but the theory (or a theory) of what we evolved from is this "Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed
5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids."
5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids."
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Either way, 45 =/= 46. Somewhere along the line, someone lost a chromosome or someone gained a chromosome, neither of which allow for a good survival rate, and an even slimmer reproduction rate, if any at all ~_o
My point is that humans are likely higher evolved than gorillas, even though gorillas are also evolved past the primitive primate from before. I understand how evolution works, I'm not saying we came from monkeys ~_o
And also, atheism is HEAVILY reliant on evolution. Explain how life exists if there is no God. Evolution is the only thing you have to fall back on =)
My point is that humans are likely higher evolved than gorillas, even though gorillas are also evolved past the primitive primate from before. I understand how evolution works, I'm not saying we came from monkeys ~_o
And also, atheism is HEAVILY reliant on evolution. Explain how life exists if there is no God. Evolution is the only thing you have to fall back on =)
no evolution does not explain how life began it explain how life has changed whcih some people belief god started life and life evolved (another branch of christianty religion whatever) i think evolution envolves more than just an extra chromosome like dna data changing etc and as we have not found the ancestor we came from we still have that gap of how we excatly evolved hence why it is still a theory that has not been fully proven yet something have but data is still needed to complete the puzzle of evolution
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No, it doesn't explain how life began, but is the ONLY explanation for YOUR life today. Unless of course abiogenesis also states that each species spontaneously formed on its own at its current level of complexity, evolution is still fundamental to the atheistic belief.
Also, yes, the DNA chromosomes are just a PART of the overlying evolutionary theory. However, it is a NECESSARY part, and proven wrong, it DESTROYS the overlying evolutionary theory.
Same concept as before- Adaptation does not prove evolution, but evolution requires adaptation. The difference between that and is is that adaptation exists, while the progressive change of chromosomes does not ~_o
Also, yes, the DNA chromosomes are just a PART of the overlying evolutionary theory. However, it is a NECESSARY part, and proven wrong, it DESTROYS the overlying evolutionary theory.
Same concept as before- Adaptation does not prove evolution, but evolution requires adaptation. The difference between that and is is that adaptation exists, while the progressive change of chromosomes does not ~_o
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I agree about the religion thing. Religion isn't a strong belief- It's the belief in a God, period. I'm a Christian. Therefore, I'm religious. I just also happen to have a relationship instead of following rituals, but I am still, nonetheless, religious.
Also, atheism is the belief that no God exists or ever existed. You CANNOT logically believe this without explaining... well... YOU. You're here. HOW? Evolution? It's all the explanation you have ~_o It is ignorance that allows you to believe atheism and not evolution. They CAN exist independent of each other, but doing so is very deeply illogical ^_^
Also, atheism is the belief that no God exists or ever existed. You CANNOT logically believe this without explaining... well... YOU. You're here. HOW? Evolution? It's all the explanation you have ~_o It is ignorance that allows you to believe atheism and not evolution. They CAN exist independent of each other, but doing so is very deeply illogical ^_^
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I'm not sure about this. There are other religious models out there which are atheistic but don't require evolution; you can have a supernatural realm without a god at the top. I understand that "atheist" is often taken to mean "irreligious" or "embraces materialism," but this is an example of why that's a mistake.
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*slaps self*
Oh, DUH. I completely forgot about stuff like Hinduism, which has no God but promotes reincarnation and the like. I highly doubt people with these kinds of beliefs will claim atheism, but I apologize for not having consideration for these.
Also, waiting until you die isn't the best way to found out ya know, especially if you're wrong ~_o I would at the very least strongly consider the problem, and not just leave it =)
Oh, DUH. I completely forgot about stuff like Hinduism, which has no God but promotes reincarnation and the like. I highly doubt people with these kinds of beliefs will claim atheism, but I apologize for not having consideration for these.
Also, waiting until you die isn't the best way to found out ya know, especially if you're wrong ~_o I would at the very least strongly consider the problem, and not just leave it =)