baptism of the Holy Ghost

Euphemia · Jan 14, 2016

Public Gift of Tongues
Spoken with interpretation to the church (Equal to prophecy-1 Corinthians 14:5)
To be interpreted (1 Corinthians 14:5)
Edifies the church (when interpreted-1 Corinthians 14:4-5)
A sign to unbelievers (1 Corinthians 14:22)

Personal Prayer Tongues
Spoken privately to God (1 Corinthians 14:2)
No interpretation necessary (1 Corinthians 14:28)
Edifies the individual believer (1 Corinthians 14:4)
Can be manifested when no unbelievers are present (Acts 10:46; 19:6)
Should be desired and practiced by all Christians (Mark 16:17; 1 Corinthians 14:5; Ephesians 6:18; Jude 20 ).

Kimber321 · Jan 14, 2016

Everyone is sealed by the Spirit when they accept Jesus as their saviour and believe in Him. Ephesians 1:13, Corinthians 1:22, etc.

John, the foreshadow of Jesus, baptized in water. It is Jesus who baptizes in the Spirit and all who accept Him can receive His baptism, should they believe in Him (and His Word, as He is the Word, incarnate.) As seen here in Mark and specifies, ''them that believe.'':
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Tongues are repeatedly shown as the initial evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, as first seen in Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. You will see some of the disciples who received the Baptism in Acts 2 had the Spirit, ''breathed on them,'' in John 20:22 - And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
They were saved however they received the Baptism later in Acts. Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

Here, in Acts 10, tongues is the initial evidence of Cornelius' household receiving the Baptism, however all in his household would have spoken the same language therefore tongues were not used here so that foreigners would understand them. This also shows the difference between John's water baptism and Jesus Holy Spirit Baptism.

Acts 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered, 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
In Acts 19 we see about 12 men who were believers and had been baptized with water, but had not yet received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. They all also would have spoken the same language, so tongues were not present here for foreigners to understand them.
Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.

Luke also refers to both John's Baptism and Jesus' Baptism: Luke 3:16 - John answered, saying unto [them] all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

Paul had to correct the Church at Corinth for using tongues in an out of order fashion, which we see often today, unfortunately.
1 Corinthians 14:27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. 28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.

He expounds that we speak mysteries: 1 Corinthians 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

We are also told that tongues will cease.
1 Corinthians 13:88 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.

We know we still have the same Spirit here today with us, and in us, that came to them in Acts when the Lord sent, ''The Comforter.'' So...when would tongues cease?
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He[a] who now restrains will do so until He[b] is taken out of the way.

Being baptized in the Spirit does not, in any way, state it makes one, ''more saved,'' nor holier than anyone who hasn't. What we are told about the Baptism is that it gives us Power to spread his Word!
Acts 1:88 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me[a] in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Acts 4:31And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.

What we are told that all it takes to receive it is to believe in Him, which means believing His Word, which is who He is.

God richly bless you as you seek Him.

KennethC · Jan 15, 2016

Euphemia said:

Exactly as long as on the same page that the "Public Gift of Tongues" is know human languages ???

Again babbling out loud weird noises is not was is being talked about here in 1 Corinthians 14:4-5, and 14:28 does not say no interpretation necessary, it says if nobody can interpret to keep silent and speak only to self.

pwrnJC · Jan 15, 2016

I would go a step further and say that any true CHILD of GOD who is walking and living in His Spirit has the ability to enjoy and use any and all of the Gifts of the Spirit, as listed in Corinthians. We simply need to find which gift we are best at and be willing to be a vessel that GOD can use as He sees fit. A healer just may need to also have the gift of knowledge, or one who has the gift of prophecy may need the gift of faith, etc. I see them as being inter-twined, as long as JESUS CHRIST gets the glory.

pwrnJC · Jan 15, 2016

KennethC...you would be interested in this local story. Perry Stone, a well known prophetic speaker, was holding a weekend seminar. Before the service actually started, he was standing off to the side of the stage, next to the curtain and privately praying, as usual. A couple was on the front row near him, videoing the service, scanning the audience, stage, etc. They were so close in proximity, that the recording device picked up Perry's prayer, which was in tongues. Later, when the couple was home watching the service, they realized they had accidentally recorded Perry's voice. Of course, hearing the unknown language not only intrigued them ,but they got excited over it and took it to a language professor. He listened to it and got very excited and asked "Where did you get this?" The professor told them that it was a very ancient language and that it had not been spoken in centuries! He was able to interpret what he heard and said it was an uplifting highly spiritual praise song, paying homage to GOD and was full of joy and thankfulness to what GOD was going to do. It offered assurance and displayed a connection between Jehovah and the one doing the prayer. Imagine that!
My thoughts on private prayer tongues is this: After hearing many, it sounds like the same actual articulation and phonetical words..I believe the actual language used is the pure, unadulterated language spoken by Adam up to the pre tower of Babel event, before confusion and separation of language occurred. It is just my personal theory.

KennethC · Jan 15, 2016

pwrnJC said:

That was a awesome and God given all the glory story, praise be to God.

I have always liked Perry Stone and how he did that prayer off to himself shows he was following the Word of God.

I know a few on here in the past have tried to call him a false teacher just because he is on TV, thus to them it automatically makes them a false teacher.

But Perry Stone is one of the most devoted and in depth study oriented person I have ever seen, as he spends time everyday studying the scriptures, history, and allowing God to still reveal new insights to him through His word.

Out of all the sermons and teachings I have seen Perry Stone give I have not seen him say anything really that is contradictory to the Word of God. Only one area me and him do not see eye to eye on is that Stone is a pre-trib rapture believer, I on the other hand am not sold on that.

Dan_473 · Jan 15, 2016

Euphemia said:

I was interested in what experience you had after already being a born again believer that you understood as the baptizism of the holy spirit.

I think any spiritual gift can be beneficial or hurtful, depending on how the possesor uses it.

Dan_473 · Jan 15, 2016

blondieindahouse said:

in the past, I was guilty of that line of thinking, that I had more of the holy spirit... (hopefully that's in the past).

Dan_473 · Jan 15, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

interesting idea about healing... I don't think the gift is around today, or if it is, it's in greatly reduced fashion...

the full gift, I think, is shown when Peter takes the hand of a man who's never walked, and pulls him up.

what I've seen today is someone with pain in their legs being prayed for, and feeling better afterwards

(but don't get me wrong... if you're the person that feels better, I say a hearty "amen" to that).

Euphemia · Jan 15, 2016

Dan_473 said:

Complete healing is just as available to us today as when Jesus was here in Person. Nothing has changed. Holy Spirit is still at work healing and restoring people every day everywhere.

That some people don't see it means they are not among people who have the faith to believe it, and they themselves lack the faith to believe.

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Euphemia · Jan 15, 2016

Dan_473 said:

I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit at age 19 when I began to speak in tongues---once. But the gifts of wisdom and the secondary ability to understand and explain scripture, along with discerning of spirits came along as well. After many years, and several in-fillings (as we are encouraged in scripture to continually be filled with the Holy Spirit), I asked the Lord to give me the gift of tongues in a very strong way, in a language I can use daily---and He did that, and moved me to a church with Spirit-filled leaders who were able to teach me that tongues can be used anytime we want or need to, as a language that needs development.

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jb · Jan 15, 2016

Acr96 said:

When one is baptized in the Holy Ghost do they have to talk in tongues? I have been told that the evidence of speaking in tongues is the baptism of the Holy Ghost. I thought that when someone is baptized in the Holy Ghost they can speak in tongues as evidence or they may receive one of the other gifts of the spirit? Could someone who knows their Bible well please explain this to me?

For those interested you should find This short study helpful...

blondieindahouse · Jan 15, 2016

Euphemia said:

I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit at age 19 when I began to speak in tongues---once. But the gifts of wisdom and the secondary ability to understand and explain scripture, along with discerning of spirits came along as well. Over many years, and several in-fillings (as we are encouraged in scripture to continually be filled with the Holy Spirit), I asked the Lord to give me the gift of tongues in a very strong way, in a language I can use daily---and He did that, and moved me to a church with Spirit-filled leaders who were able to teach me that tongues can be used anytime we want or need to, as a language that needs development.

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We are baptized of the Holy Spirit when the spirit indwells us. That is when we are saved and not when we get a gift.

jb · Jan 15, 2016

blondieindahouse said:

You're mistaken...

Have a look at the short study I linked to in Post #52

Euphemia · Jan 15, 2016

blondieindahouse said:

We are indwelt by the Holy Spirit at salvation, but the anointing and empowering baptism occurs either simultaneously or subsequently, just as described in the New Testament.

blondieindahouse · Jan 16, 2016

jb said:

Im not mistaken.

blondieindahouse · Jan 16, 2016

jb said:

Sorry. Not at all interested. Ive done due diligence in this study. Why would you suppose i havent and your "link" is going to profit me? Oh I know! Because I vehemently disagree with you! You must know what you are talking about.

Are you under the impression that you are infallible? I am not going to entertain your error in understanding. I was baptized with the spirit the second I came to Christ. You do not have more Holy Spirit than me. Tongues is a not special gift and it is NOT liked to baptism in the spirit!!
It is A GIFT and no more special or relevant to the body of Christ than all the other gifts.

blondieindahouse · Jan 16, 2016

So what do you say the evidence of the "anointing and empowering baptism" is?

Euphemia · Jan 16, 2016

Dan_473 said:

If that were true, then it would be most sad.

blondieindahouse · Jan 16, 2016

Dan_473 said:

since this is the family forum, I'll talk about my experiences with tongues, and how it affected my family.

I've spent time in many different flavors of pentecostal churches over the years.

I'm generally in favor of greater use of charasmatic gifts among believers today.

I can't think of a single instance, in my experience, where the body of Christ was built up by a person speaking with tongues.

compare with, say, being with a hurting person, taking their hand, and praying with them... many edifying experineces I've seen...

finally, about my family growing up... I, my mother and her mother all spoke with tongues... my father was brought up in a holiness movement, but non-tongues using church, and he didn't. I sensed an on-going air of superiority with us tongue-speakers... like maybe someday my dad would be able to do this, too... and experience God's fullness.

You sensed it just as I do!

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