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[Grace777x70]

Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
He wins us with His love for us!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You must "unborn" yourself from Jesus ,the Father and the Holy Spirit with " an act of your will "...can you "unborn" yourself as a human by an "act of your mighty will"??

Same reasoning of the gnostics. They thought that their new birth could never be corrupted by anything they did.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Go ahead and continue to insult my intelligence.

One must recognize their own sin and agree with God before one can ask for and receive the free gift of salvation. You are implying that you had nothing to with your salvation. You didn't see your sin, you didn't repent, you didn't ask for salvation, this was all done for you.

Sensitive aren't we? If you cannot handle others disagreeing with you and correcting you, then these forums are not the place for you. And I have neither stated nor implied any of the rest of your rant.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

HeRoseFromTheDead, Has a valid point.. Our Identity doesnt transform, it's our initial transformation that gives us our (new) identity. Now that you know your identity you will want to walk accordingly!

And this is why we must be born again of the Holy Spirit and take on the new identity in Christ. We do not look outwardly at something and try to change our own selves outwardly by just taking thought. For what man by taking thought can change the height of his stature, or even the color of his hair just by his own thoughts and desires? And just like the law written outwardly on paper, which we once saw outwardly but could not follow, had not the power to change our identity inwardly by just looking upon it outwardly.

But when the righteousness of the law is written inwardly in our hearts and minds by the Spirit of God, then we can behold the transformation taking place inwardly, not by our own power, but by God's power which now works in us. The righteousness of the law, like the Spirit of Life in Christ has the power to transform us when received inwardly by the Spirit of God. But only looking outwardly and trying to transform yourself in your own mind, and by the will of the flesh will fail, not being quickened by the Holy Spirit.

The flesh profits nothing, it is the Spirit that makes us alive.

 

[KennethC]

And this is why we must be born again of the Holy Spirit and take on the new identity in Christ. We do not look outwardly at something and try to change our own selves outwardly by just taking thought. For what man by taking thought can change the height of his stature, or even the color of his hair just by his own thoughts and desires? And just like the law written outwardly on paper, which we once saw outwardly but could not follow, had not the power to change our identity inwardly by just looking upon it outwardly.

But when the righteousness of the law is written inwardly in our hearts and minds by the Spirit of God, then we can behold the transformation taking place inwardly, not by our own power, but by God's power which now works in us. The righteousness of the law, like the Spirit of Life in Christ has the power to transform us when received inwardly by the Spirit of God. But only looking outwardly and trying to transform yourself in your own mind, and by the will of the flesh will fail, not being quickened by the Holy Spirit.

The flesh profits nothing, it is the Spirit that makes us alive.

You need to be in the baptism of the Holy Ghost thread because we have one over here who things being born again is not the baptism of the Holy Spirit placed to in us.

 

[FreeNChrist]

And this is why we must be born again of the Holy Spirit and take on the new identity in Christ. We do not look outwardly at something and try to change our own selves outwardly by just taking thought. For what man by taking thought can change the height of his stature, or even the color of his hair just by his own thoughts and desires? And just like the law written outwardly on paper, which we once saw outwardly but could not follow, had not the power to change our identity inwardly by just looking upon it outwardly.

But when the righteousness of the law is written inwardly in our hearts and minds by the Spirit of God, then we can behold the transformation taking place inwardly, not by our own power, but by God's power which now works in us. The righteousness of the law, like the Spirit of Life in Christ has the power to transform us when received inwardly by the Spirit of God. But only looking outwardly and trying to transform yourself in your own mind, and by the will of the flesh will fail, not being quickened by the Holy Spirit.

The flesh profits nothing, it is the Spirit that makes us alive.

I was with ya right up to that "righteousness of the Law" bit where you took a left turn and headed right back to a time before the Cross. Paul tried that righteousness of the Law thing, and he ended up concluding that it was nothing more than a big pile of, well there's no polite way to say it, a big pile of stinkin' crap. (Philippians 3:6-9)

 

[Bookends]

Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
He wins us with His love for us!

Yes, God is at work in me and all who put their trust and faith in Him. This passage isn't speaking of non-believers, it's not referring to salvation. But I do believe God is at work in everyone's lives, He woos them to Himself. However, not everyone responds favorably to God.

I agree that God wins us with His love, are implying that God doesn't love those who die in their sins?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I was with ya right up to that "righteousness of the Law" bit where you took a left turn and headed right back to a time before the Cross.

Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[Grace777x70]

sadly the scripture does say some sinners reject Him..hard to believe..........the "fearful and unbelieving are thrown into the lake of fire along with the "biggie" sinners.....

Yes, God is at work in me and all who put their trust and faith in Him. This passage isn't speaking of non-believers, it's not referring to salvation. But I do believe God is at work in everyone's lives, He woos them to Himself. However, not everyone responds favorably to God.

I agree that God wins us with His love, are implying that God doesn't love those who die in their sins?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You need to be in the baptism of the Holy Ghost thread because we have one over here who things being born again is not the baptism of the Holy Spirit placed to in us.

I'll check it out in a bit, I have to take care of a few things first, but I'll be back. (Lord willing of course)

 

[FreeNChrist]

Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

No the righteous "requirement" of the Law.

God tells us in Phil 3:9 that, "it is not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ….the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith."

 

[KennethC]

I'll check it out in a bit, I have to take care of a few things first, but I'll be back. (Lord willing of course)

Ok, and yeah cause now they are saying a person is born again before they even receive the Holy Spirit !!!

 

[KennethC]

sadly the scripture does say some sinners reject Him..hard to believe..........the "fearful and unbelieving are thrown into the lake of fire along with the "biggie" sinners.....

Not to mention it also says the disobedient as well !!!

 

[Grace777x70]

Romans 8:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

 

[Grace777x70]

Revelation 21:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


It also says..mother-in-laws that argue against us.. ( you just have to be able to look a little deeper into the scripture to see that.....)

Not to mention it also says the disobedient as well !!!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

No the righteous "requirement" of the Law.

The word is actually the Greek word for righteous with a ma suffix, which means effect. So the word means righteous effect: the righteous effect of the law.

 

[FreeNChrist]

The word is actually the Greek word for righteous with a ma suffix, which means effect. So the word means righteous effect: the righteous effect of the law.

Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[Mitspa]

It does have bearing because you are the one who has tried to associate 2nd Century people with a church that did not exist.

That is what your Protestant church teaches you which is one of their lies, do you not know that the book of Romans from Paul is addressing the believers in Rome. He does not call them evil, but calls them beloved !!!

The RCC can not be associated with anything before the 4th century !!!

that's just silly anyone that has studied the formation of the RCC understands its was formed from the desire of the Roman church to take power of what was called Christianity ... the term "catholic" is but a term that describes the evil that was already present in the Roman church.

 

[Grace777x70]

In secular Greek [FONT="Gentium" !important]dikaiōma[/FONT] often meant a “legal claim or right.”

Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Delta-Epsilon.


Same word being used here for requirements..

Hebrews 9:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] since they relate only to food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until a time of reformation.
It is also used in

Romans 1:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

it is used here too...looks like he usage of the word depends on the particular scripture..

Revelation 19:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness ( requirements ) of saints.

We certainly do need Jesus righteousness...it would be a requirement for sure!..

 

[Mitspa]

The word is actually the Greek word for righteous with a ma suffix, which means effect. So the word means righteous effect: the righteous effect of the law.

So what part of faith and love in Christ does not more than exceed the written code and the efforts of the flesh? I never knew you was so far from the truth HeRoseFromTheDead... its a bit disappointing.