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zavok

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i guess you can call this a follow up to "why i am an athesist" i think i found an answer or a part of it anyway.

i dont care how the unvierse was made im intrested to know but no matter what that answer is ill still be who i am, when i was younger i belived chrisitans were good and nice people but as i grew i found this not to be true i see hate i see unfairness even on here but thats not true for everyone who is a christian but does that mean being atheist makes you good no it doesnt or any other religion for that matter. at the end of it, its who you are as a person as a human being that matters which brings up another issue, i see people on here debating what is right or wrong in things is see that dont really matter like tattoo's, homosexuality etc the way i see it its only wrong if your hurting someone (physical, emotionaly) which is something i dont do yes we all get angry argue even me on here we are human but aslong as we do the right thing and take away that pain by apologising to that person who you have wronged.

i also see people debating say there form of christianty is right there a true christian the rest of you are going to hell and all i think is the bible your reading from is not even the original anymore if there was a book made by god by now its not the book of god anymore its the book of man it has been changed and edited through the years how can no one question this you say this is wrong because its in the bible there was loads of other stuff in the bible that we as human know is wrong but that never comes up its like its not in it anymore it doesnt exsit we as humans know what is right and what is wrong but aslong as a person is good and kind what does it matter who or what they are. i was taught learn from the past but dont dwell on it move forwards maybe thats what religion should do becuase all i can think of if there was a god and if god truely loves us it shouldnt matter who we worship or what we do in life as long as we lead a good kind life and make it worth while that is all that matters.
 
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PRAIASEmyGOD

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zavok said:
i guess you can call this a follow up to "why i am an athesist" i think i found an answer or a part of it anyway.

i dont care how the unvierse was made im intrested to know but no matter what that answer is ill still be who i am, when i was younger i belived chrisitans were good and nice people but as i grew i found this not to be true i see hate i see unfairness even on here but thats not true for everyone who is a christian but does that mean being atheist makes you good no it doesnt or any other religion for that matter. at the end of it, its who you are as a person as a human being that matters which brings up another issue, i see people on here debating what is right or wrong in things is see that dont really matter like tattoo's, homosexuality etc the way i see it its only wrong if your hurting someone (physical, emotionaly) which is something i dont do yes we all get angry argue even me on here we are human but aslong as we do the right thing and take away that pain by apologising to that person who you have wronged.

i also see people debating say there form of christianty is right there a true christian the rest of you are going to hell and all i think is the bible your reading from is not even the original anymore if there was a book made by god by now its not the book of god anymore its the book of man it has been changed and edited through the years how can no one question this you say this is wrong because its in the bible there was loads of other stuff in the bible that we as human know is wrong but that never comes up its like its not in it anymore it doesnt exsit we as humans know what is right and what is wrong but aslong as a person is good and kind what does it matter who or what they are. i was taught learn from the past but dont dwell on it move forwards maybe thats what religion should do becuase all i can think of if there was a god and if god truely loves us it shouldnt matter who we worship or what we do in life as long as we lead a good kind life and make it worth while that is all that matters.
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the bible says that homesexuallity is wrong, and our god is a jealus god and would not want us to worship something or someone else, such as if you had a kid with your wife do you want that kid calling some random person there dad and not you? and i have a question since your an aithiest... ill pm it to you
 
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PRAIASEmyGOD said:
the bible says that homesexuallity is wrong, and our god is a jealus god and would not want us to worship something or someone else, such as if you had a kid with your wife do you want that kid calling some random person there dad and not you? and i have a question since your an aithiest... ill pm it to you
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a kid knows who his father is thats a bad example if i wasnt there for him her who do blame for him/her calling some1 else dad me and there are many other thing that the bible says is wrong and tell you what you do to those people and i ask you do you do it
 
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PRAIASEmyGOD

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a kid knows who his father is thats a bad example if i wasnt there for him her who do blame for him/her calling some1 else dad me and there are many other thing that the bible says is wrong and tell you what you do to those people and i ask you do you do it
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yes i sin, but as paul says in Colotians i believe, he says that i am not completely holy but i will continue to reach this point at all cost
 
zavok

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i ment thing like stone people because of what they are etc that doesnt happen so every christian is sinning but how many ask for forgivness in that but why dont they do it becuase humans see it as WRONG and accepted that fact so why cant you see homosexuality and accept it
 
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navyairwarrior

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Whats up zavok. I am an atheist as well. I used to be a very devout christian until I was 25. Now everyone will probably say I wasn't a true christian. ( I really hate that argument). But I was. The reasons I lost my faith is because I no longer thought of god as being the moral character he is made out to be. I see nothing loving about a deity that demands to be worshiped my mere humans. He has all the power in the universe but he NEEDS to be worshiped. And this whole excuse about him being a jealous god? That is not a very god like attribute to have don't you think. And the whole concept of infinite punishment for a finite crime? And wouldn't he already know if i was going to hell? Why would he even let me be born. And what makes him so moral anyways? Just because he says he is? Because he has the power to destroy us? Does might make right?
I totally understand what you mean about the way christians treat people. I have traveled all over the world for the last 6 years, and the american christians are probably the nastiest people I have met. There really is nothing loving about this faith system or the god.
 
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navyairwarrior

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PRAIASEmyGOD said:
the bible says that homesexuallity is wrong, and our god is a jealus god and would not want us to worship something or someone else, such as if you had a kid with your wife do you want that kid calling some random person there dad and not you? and i have a question since your an aithiest... ill pm it to you
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Of course I wouldn't want my kid calling someone else dad, but I wouldn't burn him in hell for eternity for it.
 
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navyairwarrior said:
I see nothing loving about a deity that demands to be worshiped my mere humans. He has all the power in the universe but he NEEDS to be worshiped.
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God doesn't NEED anything. We chose to worship Him out of our own will because what He has done for us.
 
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lightbliss said:
God doesn't NEED anything. We chose to worship Him out of our own will because what He has done for us.
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so if that is true christians shouldnt have to go around makeing other people christians so they are "saved" if god doesnt need to be worshipped then there no need to follow a relgion and you can jus be a gd person and get into heaven
 
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navyairwarrior said:
Whats up zavok. I am an atheist as well. I used to be a very devout christian until I was 25. Now everyone will probably say I wasn't a true christian. ( I really hate that argument). But I was. The reasons I lost my faith is because I no longer thought of god as being the moral character he is made out to be. I see nothing loving about a deity that demands to be worshiped my mere humans. He has all the power in the universe but he NEEDS to be worshiped. And this whole excuse about him being a jealous god? That is not a very god like attribute to have don't you think. And the whole concept of infinite punishment for a finite crime? And wouldn't he already know if i was going to hell? Why would he even let me be born. And what makes him so moral anyways? Just because he says he is? Because he has the power to destroy us? Does might make right?
I totally understand what you mean about the way christians treat people. I have traveled all over the world for the last 6 years, and the american christians are probably the nastiest people I have met. There really is nothing loving about this faith system or the god.
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what makes me love is that they say god gave us freedom yet people say he has a plan for us and everything that happens in our lives was apart of his plan which tell me we dont have freedom god is controling our lives so every1 who is a murder rapist etc is gods fault and making people suffer now i dont know about anyone else on here but this god doesnt sound so nice now does he and my reason for being an atheist is also to the fact i dont see god as a good person which i have to said people on here if god proved himself to me now i still wont follow him because i dont think he is a good kind god he has killed people in the past an all powerful being had to result to kill people to prove a point and have no other way of doing it is bs.
 
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so if that is true christians shouldnt have to go around makeing other people christians so they are "saved" if god doesnt need to be worshipped then there no need to follow a relgion and you can jus be a gd person and get into heaven
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Just because God doesn't need to be worshiped, it doesn't mean we can "do whatever we want" regardless if we're a good person or not. Religion? Ha. I like to acknowledge it as a relationship with God
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If being a good person is all it takes to inherit Heaven, then Jesus would have not came to save us. FYI: If Jesus didn't come to save us, if we didn't need Jesus, then when we die, we'd go to Hell not Heaven. Everyone that died before Jesus (regardless if they followed God or not) received Hell. When Jesus died He freed us from this, this is why I communicate with, worship and praise God.
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The Bible tells us that we have all sinned; we have all committed evil acts (Romans 3:10-18). As a result of our sin, we deserve God's anger and judgment. The only just punishment for sins committed against an infinite and eternal God is an infinite punishment (Romans 6:23; Revelation 20:11-15). That is why we need a Savior!
Jesus Christ came to earth and died in our place. Jesus' death was an infinite payment for our sins (2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus died to pay the penalty for our sins (Romans 5:8). Jesus paid the price so that we would not have to. Jesus' resurrection from the dead proved that His death was sufficient to pay the penalty for our sins. That is why Jesus is the one and only Savior (John 14:6; Acts 4:12)!

 
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lightbliss

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zavok said:
what makes me love is that they say god gave us freedom yet people say he has a plan for us and everything that happens in our lives was apart of his plan which tell me we dont have freedom god is controling our lives so every1 who is a murder rapist etc is gods fault
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Even though He does give us freewill, He already knows everything that will happen, what we'll do, what we're thinking, etc. God doesn't control us. Also I don't see how someone being a murderer and/or rapist is God's fault.
 
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lightbliss said:
Even though He does give us freewill, He already knows everything that will happen, what we'll do, what we're thinking, etc. God doesn't control us. Also I don't see how someone being a murderer and/or rapist is God's fault.
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so does he know whats gona happen or is he planning come on one or the other plus if he knows whats gona happen why doesnt he stop it i guess its because he doesnt really care then why pray to something that doesnt really care what happens to you
 
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lightbliss

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so does he know whats gona happen or is he planning come on one or the other plus if he knows whats gona happen why doesnt he stop it i guess its because he doesnt really care then why pray to something that doesnt really care what happens to you
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When something is wrong (or not) when you (you're "atheist" so) pray God does hear us. Praying is soo powerful when you believe God can and will. God does care for us, if not then we all would go to Hell.
I like to say everything that happens to us is 90-10. 90 means we ourselves cause/create our situation. 10, it just happens to us. Usually 10 is the affect 0f 90. But we experience certain circumstances to learn from them, you can't just snap your fingers and instantly everything is hunkydory.
 
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lightbliss said:
When something is wrong (or not) when you (you're "atheist" so) pray God does hear us. Praying is soo powerful when you believe God can and will. God does care for us, if not then we all would go to Hell.
I like to say everything that happens to us is 90-10. 90 means we ourselves cause/create our situation. 10, it just happens to us. Usually 10 is the affect 0f 90. But we experience certain circumstances to learn from them, you can't just snap your fingers and instantly everything is hunkydory.
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but hes a god right he made the world but he cant stop bad things happing or he could be the cause of those events
 
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lightbliss

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but hes a god right he made the world but he cant stop bad things happing or he could be the cause of those events
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I'm still growing in my relationship with God/Christ so I don't have all the answers (who does?), but reading the Bible helps.
I feel everything happens for a reason, good and bad. This doesn't mean that God doesn't care or He's a bad person (mainly because He is not a human) or He orders people to be "radical" for Him. If things in history didn't happen, the world as everyone perceives it (individually) would be sooooo different.
 
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lightbliss said:
palm meet face

I'm still growing in my relationship with God/Christ so I don't have all the answers (who does?), but reading the Bible helps.
I feel everything happens for a reason, good and bad. This doesn't mean that God doesn't care or He's a bad person (mainly because He is not a human) or He orders people to be "radical" for Him. If things in history didn't happen, the world as everyone perceives it (individually) would be sooooo different.
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but who says hes a good person who says he is the right one. when i ask these people these types of question there answer comes down to the same conlcusion they just belive there god is good and is the right god to worship (follow) but i say just because you belive you won the lottery does it mean you have actully won it
 
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Life isn't fair, that's the problem, because anyone who mentions God not being fair thinks it should be. You think that just because we have a God who is good He has to make things fair....for you? He already provides us a way to avoid hell and if you dont take that route it doesn't mean it's His fault.

We fight about things because we're human. Being good or being bad doesn't really have a point when you have nothing to look forward to after death. In the long run we'll all die and just because you murdered a couple people or gave to charity doesn't mean that was a life worth living. We have a purpose and that's to worship Jesus and live our lives for our Creator because after death we have purpose which is something an atheist can't say.

You're also confusing a righteous God with a nonforgiving God. God forgives all who come to Him, problem is that people dont. Why should he let you into heaven if you rejected Him all your life? Hell was created for those who rejected Him in life because He cannot allow sin. Sin is the barrior, not God's wrath.
 
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yes i will reject a thing like him and is that all you care about is avoiding hell and your also saying which sounds like a theory being good or bad doesnt really have a point when you have nothing to look forward to after death so your saying people who dont belive are netural but according to some of you we will be treated like the bad and sent to hell also why should you be rewarded just for being good is that why your good so you can be rewarded is that the only reason. im "good" beacuse i like being "good" im kind becuase i like being kind i dont need a god to teach me these thing and i dont so these things or rewards or because it may please the thing in the sky.
heres something some christian cant say "i am doing this out of the kindness of my heart nothing else is makeing me do this) (ie religious promises)

and btw what is your god then i heard he was a jealous god at one point by someone on here (OMG THATS A SIN ISNT IT) apparently hes killed peopled so hes also a murdering god doesnt respect some people rights and feelings now if god was loving and forgiving then why is he also this i guess hes good in someways like to his kind and people chritians but bad to others gays, atheists the rest of the world. also i like to point you said why should god be fair to me just because i dont follow him well ill tell you now because he is suppose to be an all loveing caring fair being which it should be to everyone otherwise he is not those things and i will not follow a god or be friends with anyone who casts out good people because of what they are
 
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navyairwarrior

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zavok said:
what makes me love is that they say god gave us freedom yet people say he has a plan for us and everything that happens in our lives was apart of his plan which tell me we dont have freedom god is controling our lives so every1 who is a murder rapist etc is gods fault and making people suffer now i dont know about anyone else on here but this god doesnt sound so nice now does he and my reason for being an atheist is also to the fact i dont see god as a good person which i have to said people on here if god proved himself to me now i still wont follow him because i dont think he is a good kind god he has killed people in the past an all powerful being had to result to kill people to prove a point and have no other way of doing it is bs.
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I just say prove any god is real first. Then you can prove that it is the god of your religion, then prove it is the version of this god you describe. Then we can debate his morality and philosophy.
 
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