The Lie of Parental Forgiveness: Rebuilding the Veil Jesus Broke
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This is a wonderful saying.........
All sin is evil but not all evil is sin.
Sin is easy. adultery or not........not.
Stealing or not.......not.
drunkenness or not......not.
covet or not.....not.
lusting or not .....not.
And the list goes on.
But to understand if we are operating in the Spirit or operating in the flesh..........that takes constant practice and advanced bible doctrine for us to discern.
And Peter, this for US personally, to grow and mature in our OWN faith.
I spent the first 8 years doing evil(human good) works in my Christian walk, Still do as far as I am concerned.........but I am starting to learn the difference.
All sin is evil but not all evil is sin.
Sin is easy. adultery or not........not.
Stealing or not.......not.
drunkenness or not......not.
covet or not.....not.
lusting or not .....not.
And the list goes on.
But to understand if we are operating in the Spirit or operating in the flesh..........that takes constant practice and advanced bible doctrine for us to discern.
And Peter, this for US personally, to grow and mature in our OWN faith.
I spent the first 8 years doing evil(human good) works in my Christian walk, Still do as far as I am concerned.........but I am starting to learn the difference.
Yes, they twist everything, and haven't learned yet that the strength of one's message is oftentimes inversely proportional to the quantity of verbiage used. They weave their web with many words that lift one from a lowly mind to a lifted up mind where it becomes ensnared.
The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What [is] the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD. [Is] not my word like a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer [that] breaketh the rock in pieces? Jeremiah 23:28-29
This is the most condescending, judgmental passage I have ever read. Who am I to stand over any fellow believer and say they are walking in the flesh and not the Spirit. I have see too many with so many different convictions used by God or completely flawed by their motivations.
If you agree with these sentiments you agree with the accuser of the brethren, because these are the words He would slanderously use. And you say I am reacting because of pride because the words hurt and bite. But you are insulting the very work of Jesus in peoples lives, accepting generalisations over peoples ministries done in faith love and hope.
You bring condemnation on yourselves by agreeing with such ideas. Little wonder the church declines and falls apart with spirits spouting this poison like you do.
Can any sanity be brought to your mind? I do not think so, but the Lord knows, and I pray he will turn your lives around before it is too late.
If you agree with these sentiments you agree with the accuser of the brethren, because these are the words He would slanderously use. And you say I am reacting because of pride because the words hurt and bite. But you are insulting the very work of Jesus in peoples lives, accepting generalisations over peoples ministries done in faith love and hope.
You bring condemnation on yourselves by agreeing with such ideas. Little wonder the church declines and falls apart with spirits spouting this poison like you do.
Can any sanity be brought to your mind? I do not think so, but the Lord knows, and I pray he will turn your lives around before it is too late.
I agree.....we can be Christians for 40 years and work for all that time in a church and still be a baby Christian....it's that we are unacquainted of the "word of righteousness" is when we will be able to discern good or evil ( evil in Greek has one of it's meanings as being worthless ) ...
.it's His righteousness that we need to be established in..not in doing good deeds to establish our own righteousness ..subtle but big difference...outwardly the deeds look the same..but not to God....however the people receiving those good works do benefit from them .....but there is a difference as far as God looks at things.
Hebrews 5:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed ( Greek - unacquainted ) to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.
.it's His righteousness that we need to be established in..not in doing good deeds to establish our own righteousness ..subtle but big difference...outwardly the deeds look the same..but not to God....however the people receiving those good works do benefit from them .....but there is a difference as far as God looks at things.
Hebrews 5:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed ( Greek - unacquainted ) to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.
You claim to know the Lord and walk in His Spirit. The Lords takes your flawed earthen vessel works and purifies them and uses them for His glory. You measure by your own sight and understanding, not the Lords.
All the Lord calls you to do is walk faithfully with a clean heart. Have you not listened to leader upon leader how the Lord takes that which is in our mind little and turns it into something glorious.
You call yourself mature and wanting to teach me, but do not understand Pauls approach.
I came to you in weakness with great fear and trembling. My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power.
1 Cor 2:3-5
God takes who we are and uses it. Just commit your way to Him and walk.
All the Lord calls you to do is walk faithfully with a clean heart. Have you not listened to leader upon leader how the Lord takes that which is in our mind little and turns it into something glorious.
You call yourself mature and wanting to teach me, but do not understand Pauls approach.
I came to you in weakness with great fear and trembling. My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power.
1 Cor 2:3-5
God takes who we are and uses it. Just commit your way to Him and walk.
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And I read it and say to myself," Self, that's you." And I thank God for the teacher who teaches me "softly" yet with truth.
There are so many areas in my life that I still am motivated through approbation lust and operate in the flesh. I thank God I ran into a pastor that showed me this.
My carnal mind would have never figured it out.
There are so many areas in my life that I still am motivated through approbation lust and operate in the flesh. I thank God I ran into a pastor that showed me this.
My carnal mind would have never figured it out.
There is a terrible sin that christians can fall into. It is believing they can spot the spiritual condition of others.
It exalts them above their fellow brethren, and gives them the idea they have an inside track. I had a friend who believed he could do this all the time, and only his wisdom was correct. So speeding was fine, because cars now were so much safer than they were 30 years ago. It was a kind of arrogance. He was happy to tell me what my relationship was with my girl friend was poorer than his relationship with his lodger. As he had not seen me for 20 years and never met my partner it was absurd a statement.
I am very aware of people who talk like this but they do not listen or love people before they get involved.
We are called to know truth, and to share it not invent it. Unfortunately pride tends to lead people to arrogance.
It exalts them above their fellow brethren, and gives them the idea they have an inside track. I had a friend who believed he could do this all the time, and only his wisdom was correct. So speeding was fine, because cars now were so much safer than they were 30 years ago. It was a kind of arrogance. He was happy to tell me what my relationship was with my girl friend was poorer than his relationship with his lodger. As he had not seen me for 20 years and never met my partner it was absurd a statement.
I am very aware of people who talk like this but they do not listen or love people before they get involved.
We are called to know truth, and to share it not invent it. Unfortunately pride tends to lead people to arrogance.
As some would call it, "It's the Christian's bar of soap." That is what 1 John 1:9 is called to some and it is indeed an accurate description of people's idea of sin confession.
Our position in Christ isn't upheld/remembered through sin confession but in renewing our mind to who God says we are in Jesus Christ. Sin confession doesn't even hint at our position or reality of our position in Christ. The very act contradicts our position because in Christ sin has been paid and dealt with, forgotten by God, and as far as the east is from the west.
The reasoning behind sin confession that you're bringing up isn't resolved in sin confession but in fellowship with the Lord. They are pulling a Jonah, walking outside of God's will for their life. This can be taken care of through chastisement and correction done in love and not through sin confession. Sin confession is irrelevant to the discussion of walking the path the Lord has set before a person, its a matter of obedience.
Our cleanliness isn't done through sin confession as like a bar of soap but in Christ. It always goes back to Jesus.
1 Corinthians 6:11King James Version (KJV)
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Our position in Christ isn't upheld/remembered through sin confession but in renewing our mind to who God says we are in Jesus Christ. Sin confession doesn't even hint at our position or reality of our position in Christ. The very act contradicts our position because in Christ sin has been paid and dealt with, forgotten by God, and as far as the east is from the west.
The reasoning behind sin confession that you're bringing up isn't resolved in sin confession but in fellowship with the Lord. They are pulling a Jonah, walking outside of God's will for their life. This can be taken care of through chastisement and correction done in love and not through sin confession. Sin confession is irrelevant to the discussion of walking the path the Lord has set before a person, its a matter of obedience.
Our cleanliness isn't done through sin confession as like a bar of soap but in Christ. It always goes back to Jesus.
1 Corinthians 6:11King James Version (KJV)
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
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And Grace777, this is serious business. If we have never believed on the Lord Jesus Christ for our salvation and believe it is jesus+our deeds.....we are in serious trouble because it is in fact those DEEDS that the unbeliever is judged for.
Sin~~ἁμαρτία, ας, ἡ .....hamartia
Deeds~~ἔργον, ου, τό....ergon.....work, labor, action, deed
All sin is paid for, but the deeds/self righteous works...........human good is NOT.
New American Standard Bible
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds(Deeds~~ἔργον, ου, τό....ergon.....work, labor, action, deed).
Sin~~ἁμαρτία, ας, ἡ .....hamartia
Deeds~~ἔργον, ου, τό....ergon.....work, labor, action, deed
All sin is paid for, but the deeds/self righteous works...........human good is NOT.
New American Standard Bible
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds(Deeds~~ἔργον, ου, τό....ergon.....work, labor, action, deed).
It seems I am preaching the Gospel. This is usually the accusation or concern raised when the Gospel is preached. "Is this news truly that good!?" Yes, it is the Good News. God's grace isn't a license to sin and someone who uses God's grace to justify sin doesn't understand His grace. A license to sin is not the fruit of hyper-grace, but a false allegation brought against the forgiveness and liberty preached by grace believers. The fruit reveals itself.
The word of God says that "Sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under the law but grace." This scripture alone discredits all allegations that hyper-grace endorses licentiousness. God's grace sets us free from sin's dominion, it doesn't give us a license to sin.
The word of God says that "Sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under the law but grace." This scripture alone discredits all allegations that hyper-grace endorses licentiousness. God's grace sets us free from sin's dominion, it doesn't give us a license to sin.