The neo-Gnostic spirit of New.Modern.Hyper Grace
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I can see how someone could take it as Mary worship, but I can also see it as being entirely innocent. In the binary context that he was considering (Eve/Mary), Mary was the savior of the world in a sense, just as Eve was the destroyer of the world in a sense. It's not something that would have crossed my mind to dwell on, but I don't judge him for dwelling on it because it's obviously not advocating Mary worship. I've read enough of his stuff to know that he was not like that. Unfortunately, others have have created chaos with that idea.
M
Well if in fact we didn't see that the Catholic church does worship mary...you might have a point of question about his intention ...but its clear he was exalting mary into the glory that only belongs to Christ Jesus ..and even the pope said his teachings are the foundation of all catholic doctrine.
M
wow me and wikapedia must be bigots and lying?
The New Testament Gospels, composed during the late 1st century, contain the first references to the life of Mary; the NT Epistles, composed earlier, make no mention of her by name. There are, however, references to Mary in the Epistles, most notably in Galatians.[SUP][6][/SUP] In the 2nd century, St. Irenaeus of Lyons called Mary the "second Eve" because through Mary and her willing acceptance of God's choice, God undid the harm that was done through Eve's choice to eat the forbidden fruit. The earliest recorded prayer to Mary, the sub tuum praesidium, is dated in its earliest form to the middle of the 3rd century.
The New Testament Gospels, composed during the late 1st century, contain the first references to the life of Mary; the NT Epistles, composed earlier, make no mention of her by name. There are, however, references to Mary in the Epistles, most notably in Galatians.[SUP][6][/SUP] In the 2nd century, St. Irenaeus of Lyons called Mary the "second Eve" because through Mary and her willing acceptance of God's choice, God undid the harm that was done through Eve's choice to eat the forbidden fruit. The earliest recorded prayer to Mary, the sub tuum praesidium, is dated in its earliest form to the middle of the 3rd century.
Popes say all kinds of stupid things, but I have read that that was said because of the work that Irenaeus did defending the faith against so many heresies during his time. He is considered to be the greatest theologian of that time. I've read some of his stuff and it's not too bad. Some stuff is weird, but all of the church fathers seem to have some that weirdness. Honestly, reading them is really not my cup of tea.
I just don't see the corruptions of the RCC now being a reality in Irenaeus' day. Give him a chance. Judge him on what he said, not on who he was associated with, which is really a stretch anyway because the church then was not the RCC now by any means.
I just don't see the corruptions of the RCC now being a reality in Irenaeus' day. Give him a chance. Judge him on what he said, not on who he was associated with, which is really a stretch anyway because the church then was not the RCC now by any means.
K
Spreading more lies I see Mitspa !!!!
I have never once on here defended the heresies of the RCC...........................
You do know bearing false witness on others is the work of the spirit of anti-christ and not a fruit of the Holy Spirit ???
I have stood against the heresies of that church as well as the lies taught within OSAS and hyper-grace. The problem is that OSASers and hyper-grace people have something in common with the Catholic's, and that is they refuse straight and plainly worded scripture or they have to manipulate them to make them fit their theology.
I have constantly spoke up against those who spout names such as Augustine, Calvin, Luther, and others who have apostate teachings !!!
I was only in the RCC for 5 years and that was enough because my Baptist upbringing and the Holy Spirit kept me from falling to their teachings but instead for those 5 years kept questioning the priest.
Mitspa you need to start giving Truth instead of spreading lies on somebody !!!
I have never once on here defended the heresies of the RCC...........................
You do know bearing false witness on others is the work of the spirit of anti-christ and not a fruit of the Holy Spirit ???
I have stood against the heresies of that church as well as the lies taught within OSAS and hyper-grace. The problem is that OSASers and hyper-grace people have something in common with the Catholic's, and that is they refuse straight and plainly worded scripture or they have to manipulate them to make them fit their theology.
I have constantly spoke up against those who spout names such as Augustine, Calvin, Luther, and others who have apostate teachings !!!
I was only in the RCC for 5 years and that was enough because my Baptist upbringing and the Holy Spirit kept me from falling to their teachings but instead for those 5 years kept questioning the priest.
Mitspa you need to start giving Truth instead of spreading lies on somebody !!!
K
wow me and wikapedia must be bigots and lying?
The New Testament Gospels, composed during the late 1st century, contain the first references to the life of Mary; the NT Epistles, composed earlier, make no mention of her by name. There are, however, references to Mary in the Epistles, most notably in Galatians.[SUP][6][/SUP] In the 2nd century, St. Irenaeus of Lyons called Mary the "second Eve" because through Mary and her willing acceptance of God's choice, God undid the harm that was done through Eve's choice to eat the forbidden fruit. The earliest recorded prayer to Mary, the sub tuum praesidium, is dated in its earliest form to the middle of the 3rd century.
The New Testament Gospels, composed during the late 1st century, contain the first references to the life of Mary; the NT Epistles, composed earlier, make no mention of her by name. There are, however, references to Mary in the Epistles, most notably in Galatians.[SUP][6][/SUP] In the 2nd century, St. Irenaeus of Lyons called Mary the "second Eve" because through Mary and her willing acceptance of God's choice, God undid the harm that was done through Eve's choice to eat the forbidden fruit. The earliest recorded prayer to Mary, the sub tuum praesidium, is dated in its earliest form to the middle of the 3rd century.
Come on now !!!
K
No I am not RCC, I am a long time devoted Baptist that was once Non-Denominational for awhile.........
I grew up 12 years in Baptist church and for the past 6 years been in Baptist church again.....
Mitspa just thinks that because I was truthful and mentioned how I was in the RCC for 5 years in my 20's, but where he lies is I have never once defended RCC heresies !!!
I grew up 12 years in Baptist church and for the past 6 years been in Baptist church again.....
Mitspa just thinks that because I was truthful and mentioned how I was in the RCC for 5 years in my 20's, but where he lies is I have never once defended RCC heresies !!!