The Deceitfulness of New.Modern.Hyper Grace

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Grace 777x70 writes:---So why do I still sin?

I suspect there are two reasons. Either you don’t know who you really are and you are still running on the operating system you had when you followed the way of the world. Or you are an unbeliever. The grace that teaches us to say no only comes through faith. If you don’t believe you can say no then, guess what, you won’t. This is why it is imperative to declare what the Bible says is true about you.
James seems to explain it otherwise...

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
(Jas 1:13-15)
 

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I'm not so sure of that. Maybe, it's just your comprehension of what you think is being said. We all know being dead to sin, has nothing to do with our state in the flesh. For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh.
Ryan Rufus wrote it.
"Grace doesn’t just free us from the punishment of sin, it also frees us from the presence and power of sin."
Here's Ryan Rufus' article in context (source)


Grace is a license to overcome sin!


Grace is no more a license to sin, than life insurance is a good reason to go and swim with starving Great White sharks! Of course you could go and swim with them but it’s going to hurt. Just like in grace, you could go and sin, but it’s going to hurt you and others too. The reality is that sin is distracting and destructive to your life and will always cost you something you don’t want to pay, and take you somewhere you don’t want to go. Even if grace was a license to sin we’d be crazy to use it. If someone really wanted to use grace as a license to sin, it’s a strong indicator that this person is probably not born again. A truly born again person isn’t looking for a way to get away with sin, they’re looking for a way to get sin away from them! This is because God has changed their heart. When we think about grace we shouldn’t think “it’s a license to sin”, we should think “it’s a license to overcome sin!”

The Bible reveals grace as two things. It’s God’s unmerited favour or you could say acceptance grace, and its God’s divine enabling or you could say empowering grace. Grace doesn’t just free us from the punishment of sin, it also frees us from the presence and power of sin. God’s grace accepts us even though we’ve sinned, but it empowers us to overcome sin.

Romans chapters 5 and 6 really bring this out clearly:


Romans 5:20- 21 (NKJV) (Acceptance grace)
Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:1- 4 (NKJV) (Empowering grace)
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Grace is so much more than just the forgiveness of sins, it’s the ability to reign in life over sin.

Grace, if you will, is like the safety net for a trapeze act. It will catch you if you fall. But grace is also the ability and enablement to do amazing things on the trapeze. Thank God that, if for some silly reason we make a mistake and sin, grace is there to catch us and keep us safe before God. But God doesn’t want us to just hang out on the safety net living under the control and power and destruction of sin while missing out on our calling and destiny. He wants us to swing over temptation and do extraordinary things for him. His grace is there for us to overcome sin and not be afraid of falling while we step out in Him.

The New Testament is full of wonderful statements about God’s grace that accepts us even if we sin, as well as His grace that empowers and encourages us to overcome sin. Because this grace is now available we are urged and instructed by God in Scripture to resist sin, flee from sin, depart from sin, say no to sin, not let sin reign in us and to overcome sin. And because of His grace, this is now possible!

Here are a number of New Testament Scriptures instructing us to overcome sin, now that we are in Christ and dead to sin.


1 John 2:1 (NKJV)
My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.​


Romans 6: 12-14 (NKJV)
Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.​


Ephesians 4:17-32 (NKJV)
This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. But you have not so learned Christ, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness. Therefore, putting away lying, “Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,” for we are members of one another. “Be angry, and do not sin”: do not let the sun go down on your wrath, nor give place to the devil. Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.​


Ephesians 5:1-12 (NKJV)
Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma. But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them. For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.​


1 Thessalonians 4:1-12 (NKJV)
Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God; for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God; that no one should take advantage of and defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also forewarned you and testified. For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness. Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit. But concerning brotherly love you have no need that I should write to you, for you yourselves are taught by God to love one another; and indeed you do so toward all the brethren who are in all Macedonia. But we urge you, brethren, that you increase more and more; that you also aspire to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you, that you may walk properly toward those who are outside, and that you may lack nothing.​


1 Timothy 3:1-12 (NKJV)
This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money, holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience. But let these also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons, being found blameless. Likewise, their wives must be reverent, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things. Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.​


2 Timothy 2:14-26 (NKJV)
Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor. Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work. Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.​


Titus 2:11-15 (NIV)
For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.​


Lets be eager to use God’s incredible grace as a license to overcome sin rather than a license to sin, but if we do sin, thank Him that there is a safety net. Now get out there and swing from the trapeze!​
 

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The "hyper-grace" crowd seems to lean toward sinless perfectionism. I could be wrong, but that is what I gather from all the chaos.
Not at all.

The Scriptures teach us that 'when we sin we have an Advocate' (1 John 2).

The Gospel of Grace teaches us that we are completely forgiven when we come into Christ - God is not counting our sins against us, and He chooses to "be merciful toward our iniquities, and remember our sins no more.” (Is. 43:25, Jer. 31:34, Heb. 8:12)

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Amen..Give in to sin and it will definitely bring forth death and destruction and misery..etc...don't you know that if you yield the members of your body to sin..you are a slave to it..but yield the members of your body unto righteousness instead

As far as being who we are in Christ..the scripture has this to say as far as it has to do with dealing with sin.....

Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness and sin not..when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.

2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.


Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.

Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.

2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells..


James seems to explain it otherwise...

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
(Jas 1:13-15)
 
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They believe in the sinless perfection of the spirit (which is true), but then only identify with it, and consider the old man to be non-existent. They don't believe that a person can be lost regardless of whatever deeds they do in the body. So basically, in terms of salvation sin is irrelevant to them. In this way their belief is identical with the gnostics. They give lip service to sin, but only in the context of what harm it can do to this life, and possibly to rewards in the next life.
It sounds like an imaginary man doctrine. They imagine themselves as born again of the Spirit, but in reality they are still in the flesh, and their ongoing sinful lifestyle just proves their delusion is very real. They seem to post their doctrine from a lot of the same sources too, like that one "escape from reality" or something like that. How fitting. :)
 
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I agree...and every believer will continue to sin until we get rid of these bodies which have the flesh and the power of sin in them....we will be getting new ones when we see the Lord!

Hi Grace777. I agree with some of both sides. I know you guys aren't saying grace is a license to sin. But some on your side do come off as saying "I don't sin anymore and to say I do sin is a sin". That is sinless perfectionism and isn't biblical. It's a stumbling block for a lot of Christians, especially those weak in faith. It puts them back under law and they try to live up to the standard of perfection and it just breeds more sin in them.

I can agree with you on a less extreme point. That is, the more we focus on Christ, the more we are in the word, the more we identify with biblical teaching, the more we consume our minds with the word and prayer, the more we fellowship with one another, and so on, the less likely we are to sin.

Like I posted in one thread about this before, I think both sides are using extreme examples of one another. I don't think so many threads and arguments about it is clearing anything up for anyone but causing more confusion.
 
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Oh, I see, excuse me and I apologize. Why didn't you just say "The Deceitfulness of Ryan Rufus", I would have never posted. But you use ambiguous terms in your posts and New.Modern.Hyper.Grace seems to be an all encompassing catch-all. I am a grace believer, Christian, bible believer, saved person, on and on with the labels, they mean nothing really.
For me personally there is a theological journey that is on going here. Joseph Prince published a book in 2007 which has had great influence. Its followers though have created a new religious language and redefined traditional theological terms to mean something else. It confuses lots of conversations and actually deceives and lies about the fundamental beliefs of what salvation is, what the walk is, and what we expect to become.

Over the past year I have had interactions with people which struck me as odd. I was accused of things that did not make sense by people at face value christians but with an agenda. It now turns out they are all hyper-gracers, Grace7x77, Eternally-Grateful, Willey-T, Ember. I did not intend this to become a war of ideas, but the differences are not minor, they are fundamental to how you regard the Kingdom of Heaven and walking in righteousness.

Our aim as a group of traditionalists is to understand what has shifted and challenge it. It is not that we think it is wrong, it just opposes our spiritual walk and causes us to pause and want to know more.

And yes words matter, they are Gods words, eternal words, words that mean life and death.
 
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I agree...and every believer will continue to sin until we get rid of these bodies which have the flesh and the power of sin in them....we will be getting new ones when we see the Lord!
So you do not follow Joseph Prince and reigning.

"When you reign in life, you reign over sin, you reign over the powers of darkness, and you reign over depression, over poverty, over every curse, and over every sickness and disease." Destined To Reign, 2007, pg. 1.
 
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I agree with everything that was posted...to reign means to rule over .

Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Romans 6:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Fo
r sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace. [SUP]15 [/SUP] What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! Galatians 3:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"—



So you do not follow Joseph Prince and reigning.

"When you reign in life, you reign over sin, you reign over the powers of darkness, and you reign over depression, over poverty, over every curse, and over every sickness and disease." Destined To Reign, 2007, pg. 1.
 

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Amen..Give in to sin and it will definitely bring forth death and destruction and misery..etc...don't you know that if you yield the members of your body to sin..you are a slave to it..but yield the members of your body unto righteousness instead

As far as being who we are in Christ..the scripture has this to say as far as it has to do with dealing with sin.....

Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness and sin not..when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.

2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.


Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.

Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.

2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells..

Knowing who you are in Christ is important but it doesn't fight the battle.

Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
(Eph 6:10-18)
 
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'Perfect scripture!..I love that one...be strong in the Lord!...that's who we are in Christ..we are in Him....our true identity is in Him only..

His armor is our armor..His righteousness and truth is ours to because we are in Him...etc..etc

1 Corinthians 6:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him.

By acknowledging what Christ did for us..it makes our faith "effective"..

Philemon 1:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] That the communication of thy faith may become effectual
by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.




Knowing who you are in Christ is important but it doesn't fight the battle.

Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
(Eph 6:10-18)
 

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For me personally there is a theological journey that is on going here. Joseph Prince published a book in 2007 which has had great influence. Its followers though have created a new religious language and redefined traditional theological terms to mean something else. It confuses lots of conversations and actually deceives and lies about the fundamental beliefs of what salvation is, what the walk is, and what we expect to become.

Over the past year I have had interactions with people which struck me as odd. I was accused of things that did not make sense by people at face value christians but with an agenda. It now turns out they are all hyper-gracers, Grace7x77, Eternally-Grateful, Willey-T, Ember. I did not intend this to become a war of ideas, but the differences are not minor, they are fundamental to how you regard the Kingdom of Heaven and walking in righteousness.

Our aim as a group of traditionalists is to understand what has shifted and challenge it. It is not that we think it is wrong, it just opposes our spiritual walk and causes us to pause and want to know more.

And yes words matter, they are Gods words, eternal words, words that mean life and death.
What saddens me even more than the specifics of the 'hyper-grace' doctrine, is to see certain ones here give blind allegiance to ones like Prince...almost as if in a trance. It's like they quote him, post videos of him and defend him at all costs. I have done studies on cult behaviors, both social and theological and this fits to a tee.
 

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'Perfect scripture!..I love that one...be strong in the Lord!...that's who we are in Christ..we are in Him....our true identity is in Him only..

His armor is our armor..His righteousness and truth is ours to because we are in Him...etc..etc

1 Corinthians 6:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him.

By acknowledging what Christ did for us..it makes our faith "effective"..

Philemon 1:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] That the communication of thy faith may become effectual
by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.


Right, you just beautifully illustrated my point that "Knowing who you are in Christ is important but it doesn't fight the battle.".

You just showed it by applying it to the first part of Eph 6:10-18 but could go no further...it is a good start...

Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
(Eph 6:10-18)
 
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As far as I know, the term grace believer is the same as the encompassing term I use. I just couldn't figure out how to incorporate it.
ok, it's just a label. I do not believe we are without the presence of sin in the world, it is just not my spirit or my position anymore. I am identified with Christ before God the Father.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit that is of God, that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

This only would I learn of you, receive ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith. Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
 
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That's the whole point..standing in Him..fighting the good fight of faith...on down to praying in the spirit in verse 18...knowing who you are in Christ is applicable to every area of our life in Christ....knowing who we are in Christ..enables us to BE who we are while standing and praying..walking out our life..etc.....it's glorious and beautiful when we see Him and what He has done!

We don't have a life apart from Him.....

Right, you just beautifully illustrated my point that "Knowing who you are in Christ is important but it doesn't fight the battle.".

You just showed it by applying it to the first part of Eph 6:10-18 but could go no further...it is a good start...

Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
(Eph 6:10-18)
 
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skylove7

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Knowing who you are in Christ is important but it doesn't fight the battle.

Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
(Eph 6:10-18)
Amen!

I remember this
Every day
Especially in my prayers at night time :)
 
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Colossians 3:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.
 
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I agree...and every believer will continue to sin until we get rid of these bodies which have the flesh and the power of sin in them....we will be getting new ones when we see the Lord!
So why do I still sin?

I suspect there are two reasons. Either you don’t know who you really are and you are still running on the operating system you had when you followed the way of the world. Or you are an unbeliever.
Grace7x77 you lie like a trouper.

One moment you say, if you sin you are not walking right ie a carnal christian or you are an unbeliever and then everyone will sin. Either it is certain or it is not, or else you lie to suit circumstance.

So which are you, or are you another alternative to your propoganda?

I am a redeemed child of Christ, redeemed and washed in His blood. I walk in righteousness, and occasionally stumble, but in His grace, repent and seek forgiveness from the Father through Christs blood.
 
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sealabeag

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Hey OP I keep seeing you post loads of stuff about New Modern Hyper Grace, seems like you have some kinda beef with it, which is fair enough. So what exactly is it, pray tell?