The 1 John 1:9 Lie: More New.Modern.Hyper Grace blasphemy
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garbage Kenneth...here is my post......READ 1 Cor 5.....
No..he is no different then a liar and slanderer that is filled with malice...same thing..only different fruit then your priest guy....."fruit too"..just not as obvious especially to the self-righteous...
How about a believer that is having sex with his father's wife.... 1Cor 5......" delivered over to satan for the destruction of the flesh"...but he himself ( the spirit in him ) was still saved...there is more going on then an Old Covenant mindset...
No..he is no different then a liar and slanderer that is filled with malice...same thing..only different fruit then your priest guy....."fruit too"..just not as obvious especially to the self-righteous...
How about a believer that is having sex with his father's wife.... 1Cor 5......" delivered over to satan for the destruction of the flesh"...but he himself ( the spirit in him ) was still saved...there is more going on then an Old Covenant mindset...
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Your a deliberate willful sinner Ken. So am I. We are lying to ourselves if we say otherwise.
We know we are not to have guilt.......we have guilt.
We know we are not to worry.....we worry.
We know we are not to fear.....we fear.
We know we are not to gossip........but.
We know we are to be patient....we are impatient.
We know we should have gratitude for EVERYTHING.....we are full of ingratitude.
We know we should be thoughtful in EVERYTHING.....we are full of thoughtlessness.
We know we are not to bicker....we bicker.
We know we are not to complain...we complain.
And the list goes on.
We know we are not to have guilt.......we have guilt.
We know we are not to worry.....we worry.
We know we are not to fear.....we fear.
We know we are not to gossip........but.
We know we are to be patient....we are impatient.
We know we should have gratitude for EVERYTHING.....we are full of ingratitude.
We know we should be thoughtful in EVERYTHING.....we are full of thoughtlessness.
We know we are not to bicker....we bicker.
We know we are not to complain...we complain.
And the list goes on.
K
I did read it and here you go again as you see the part you said that I enlarged, that is said in 1 Corinthians 5, but has to be taken into account of the rest of the chapter on how it is speaking on shunning those in deliberate sin that refuse to give it up.
The person will not be saved if they refuse to give up those ways, repent !!!
This right here shows that you don't understand what the Word of God defines the willful deliberate sinner, and thus by claiming yourself to be such means you take and place yourself still a slave to sin !!!
We can not be a slave to sin and a slave to Christ both, that is impossible........................
You are keeping a record of sin (sin conscience) instead of telling how we overcome and have victory over sin in Christ.
Just because we still sin now and then does not make us a deliberate willful sinner, that by the bible is a person who continues to sin constantly with no attempt ever to give them up.
In Christ we stop or attempt to stop our sinning by the guidance of the Holy Spirit, we do not continue to deliberately keep sinning with no intention to stop !!!
The person will not be saved if they refuse to give up those ways, repent !!!
This right here shows that you don't understand what the Word of God defines the willful deliberate sinner, and thus by claiming yourself to be such means you take and place yourself still a slave to sin !!!
We can not be a slave to sin and a slave to Christ both, that is impossible........................
You are keeping a record of sin (sin conscience) instead of telling how we overcome and have victory over sin in Christ.
Just because we still sin now and then does not make us a deliberate willful sinner, that by the bible is a person who continues to sin constantly with no attempt ever to give them up.
In Christ we stop or attempt to stop our sinning by the guidance of the Holy Spirit, we do not continue to deliberately keep sinning with no intention to stop !!!
Yeah, I know. I already had a discussion about that verse with him, and he rejected what I said also. They have to twist scripture in order to make it fit into their ideology that sinners can keep on sinning and still be saved. And there is a lot scripture twisting being done on their part to try and pull off that great deception. LOL! 
garbage again Kenneth.....you with your religious beliefs are not listening to what the scripture says....it says that his spirit will be saved in the day of the Lord...I realize this "conflicts" with your religious beliefs...
1 Corinthians 5:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. and I know your foolish "may" objection...so I will answer it here before you go off on a tangent again..
"may" is an English way of talking....in can also be called "in order that"..or "so that "....like...go home so that you "may" find your present under the tree...
again your religious beliefs are making you "read " into the scripture..
Now, if we listened to your view of "may" we are going to have to question eternal life in Christ..
1 John 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
There are tons of these in the bible....
John 17:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Philippians 1:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
1 Corinthians 5:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. and I know your foolish "may" objection...so I will answer it here before you go off on a tangent again..
"may" is an English way of talking....in can also be called "in order that"..or "so that "....like...go home so that you "may" find your present under the tree...
again your religious beliefs are making you "read " into the scripture..
Now, if we listened to your view of "may" we are going to have to question eternal life in Christ..
1 John 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
There are tons of these in the bible....
John 17:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Philippians 1:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
I understand your religious beliefs Kenneth..and you are entitled to them....it is salvation based on works.....salvation is Based on Jesus and in His finished work...I know everyone keeps telling you this...but once more....
Grace is not a license to sin........
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Grace is not a license to sin........
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G
Unbelievable ,yet not. You don't see that this describes you.
We are so tainted by sin Ken, that we can't keep a record of it. It is by Grace that only gives us a shot.
You are going to work your whole life at the record of sin you have in your mind to keep or maintain your salvation and the thousand that you fought and won, didn't even touch the trillions you actually had.
We are so tainted by sin Ken, that we can't keep a record of it. It is by Grace that only gives us a shot.
You are going to work your whole life at the record of sin you have in your mind to keep or maintain your salvation and the thousand that you fought and won, didn't even touch the trillions you actually had.
K
I don't listen to those who say one thing one minute and then say the complete opposite the next minute !!!
As you also continue to pass off that false straw-man lie that you can not get passed because the false teaching you have been following has blinded you to see what a person is truly saying.
This is still shown how you continue to show you only focus on works in your lies used on others, when people like me are focused on the "FAITH" not the works.
Good works are just a by product of a true faith, just like deliberate sinning is a by product of a unbeliever or the disobedient !!!
Finally, if you take an make a deliberate willful unrepented sinner saved then you do teach a license to sin !!!
We are only tainted by sin outside of Christ, when we come to Christ we are no longer tainted by sin.
We are forgiven and given remission for them, and lead by the Holy Spirit to no longer walk in those sinful ways.
As we grow and mature in the faith that sinning will become less and less !!!
You speak as though we never have victory or overcome sin and still remain slaves to sin, but that is completely against what the Word of God says !!!
Nowhere does the Word of God say we can be slaves to sin and to the Lord both.............It says we either continue to obey our sinful ways or we choose to follow and walk in His righteousness !!!
Can not serve both and have salvation in Christ...................
Your religious belief that one can lose their salvation is what is driving you to say I am teaching false things and that I am preaching a licence to sin which is totally a lie.
Paul said he was delivering that one guy over to satan for the destruction of his flesh so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord..1 Cor 5:9...not me...lol ( destruction of the flesh is just that.. being destroyed.. despite how much it interferes with your religious beliefs )
Here is the post progression for verification Post #439, 440, 442,443,445,447, 448, 449 and this one.
I believe when Jesus said " I will never leave nor forsake you"..and that " No one will pluck you out of My hand nor out of the Father's Hand"...and the "You are sealed with the Holy Spirit "....I believe Him
You call it false teaching ....others call it believing in what Jesus said.
You believe you can lose salvation if you sin......and that is your choice.....we can just as easily call you a false teacher too because you will not believe in what Jesus said...so we are in the same boat here...lol
I don't believe in sinning..it's destructive and hurtful to yourself and those around you. I am absolutely 100% against any sin...even the slander and malice ones...
I believe that preaching the gospel of the grace of Christ will "teach" us how to live soberly and uprightly in this present world...grace teaches us!...grace is not a license to sin.. it's the complete opposite which a number of us have told you dozens of times.......
You and I are on different view points here....so let's just part ways...bless you Kenneth....I know you mean well brother.
Paul said he was delivering that one guy over to satan for the destruction of his flesh so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord..1 Cor 5:9...not me...lol ( destruction of the flesh is just that.. being destroyed.. despite how much it interferes with your religious beliefs )
Here is the post progression for verification Post #439, 440, 442,443,445,447, 448, 449 and this one.
I believe when Jesus said " I will never leave nor forsake you"..and that " No one will pluck you out of My hand nor out of the Father's Hand"...and the "You are sealed with the Holy Spirit "....I believe Him
You call it false teaching ....others call it believing in what Jesus said.
You believe you can lose salvation if you sin......and that is your choice.....we can just as easily call you a false teacher too because you will not believe in what Jesus said...so we are in the same boat here...lol
I don't believe in sinning..it's destructive and hurtful to yourself and those around you. I am absolutely 100% against any sin...even the slander and malice ones...
I believe that preaching the gospel of the grace of Christ will "teach" us how to live soberly and uprightly in this present world...grace teaches us!...grace is not a license to sin.. it's the complete opposite which a number of us have told you dozens of times.......
You and I are on different view points here....so let's just part ways...bless you Kenneth....I know you mean well brother.
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This is a man who cannot make a point.
They were asked to explain if you ignore the law, if you ignore Jesus and His commands, if you ignore the Holy Spirit and your conscience how do you know you are in sin? The answer is you do not know.
But this is what they teach. A blind man cannot claim he can see, when he has made himself blind.
The language is we do not condemn ourselves, yet Joseph Prince wrote, How many wake up and say "I will not sin today"
If you cannot see sin, or feel it, how can you even ask the question. The lie is these followers feel sin everyday and condemn themselves but say to themselves, God does not condemn me so I am alright, it is just Satan who is condemning me. How can such people know they have fellowship with Christ. Because OSAS tells them they do, though their consciences scream they are sinners, they hope they are called pure saints.
Now John says if you are in Christ, you will walk in righteousness. They are christians, they walk in sin, so it must be Christs righteousness and the sin does not matter. So rather than taking it seriously and seeing their is a deep spiritual problem here of guilt and self condemnation, they would rather deny Gods ministry in their lives and say, it is alright, I am saved.
This is such a chaotic mess, unless they start believing the bible for real, there is no hope for them. Sin needs to be worked through step by step until everything is resolved before the Lord. It is not difficult, it just needs to be done, and for them to know Jesus loves them where they are, with all the failures which He will work through with their help.
But you have first to believe everything is Ok, you are washed clean, God has forgiven you, you can walk righteously with Him.
They were asked to explain if you ignore the law, if you ignore Jesus and His commands, if you ignore the Holy Spirit and your conscience how do you know you are in sin? The answer is you do not know.
But this is what they teach. A blind man cannot claim he can see, when he has made himself blind.
The language is we do not condemn ourselves, yet Joseph Prince wrote, How many wake up and say "I will not sin today"
If you cannot see sin, or feel it, how can you even ask the question. The lie is these followers feel sin everyday and condemn themselves but say to themselves, God does not condemn me so I am alright, it is just Satan who is condemning me. How can such people know they have fellowship with Christ. Because OSAS tells them they do, though their consciences scream they are sinners, they hope they are called pure saints.
Now John says if you are in Christ, you will walk in righteousness. They are christians, they walk in sin, so it must be Christs righteousness and the sin does not matter. So rather than taking it seriously and seeing their is a deep spiritual problem here of guilt and self condemnation, they would rather deny Gods ministry in their lives and say, it is alright, I am saved.
This is such a chaotic mess, unless they start believing the bible for real, there is no hope for them. Sin needs to be worked through step by step until everything is resolved before the Lord. It is not difficult, it just needs to be done, and for them to know Jesus loves them where they are, with all the failures which He will work through with their help.
But you have first to believe everything is Ok, you are washed clean, God has forgiven you, you can walk righteously with Him.
G
Sin was worked through step by step. Jesus Christ took the judgement for it.
We are not judged and condemned for getting drunk, but we can't say "No" to the hangover.
The hangover is God saying . "darn kid, get it figured out." The hangover is not God going ,"SUFFER my child because you got drunk and that is a sin to Me."
From what you write, you are in bondage and in turmoil. My heart is to help. Even if you don't see that way.
There is rest and freedom in Christ.
We are not judged and condemned for getting drunk, but we can't say "No" to the hangover.
The hangover is God saying . "darn kid, get it figured out." The hangover is not God going ,"SUFFER my child because you got drunk and that is a sin to Me."
From what you write, you are in bondage and in turmoil. My heart is to help. Even if you don't see that way.
There is rest and freedom in Christ.
Upon what basis do you sin? How do you know how you walk?
You do not even know when you walk correctly, because how much is contaminated is down to you, the believer to decide.
This is a completely subjective walk, that lawless people do, who only do what is right in their own eyes.
You want to use the language of Christ and Moses, but you ignore its contents and serve only your own greed and desire for influence. You want so badly to win over others, though you do not believe in persuasion because we are all chosen not of our choice, so just respond as God decides. There is no choice we are possessed and do as he instructs.
Please correct me if I have got your teaching wrong. If God has intended me to be on your side I would be by your theology. In fact why are you arguing if you can never win, because Gods will has deemed the outcome already.
So by your propoganda and continual not answering questions, you show your hypocracy. To be saved you must believe your version of faith which is a choice I choose not to do, yet by your own theology I cannot do this if I am called.
So why do you argue with me, unless you do not believe your own faith?
You do not even know when you walk correctly, because how much is contaminated is down to you, the believer to decide.
This is a completely subjective walk, that lawless people do, who only do what is right in their own eyes.
You want to use the language of Christ and Moses, but you ignore its contents and serve only your own greed and desire for influence. You want so badly to win over others, though you do not believe in persuasion because we are all chosen not of our choice, so just respond as God decides. There is no choice we are possessed and do as he instructs.
Please correct me if I have got your teaching wrong. If God has intended me to be on your side I would be by your theology. In fact why are you arguing if you can never win, because Gods will has deemed the outcome already.
So by your propoganda and continual not answering questions, you show your hypocracy. To be saved you must believe your version of faith which is a choice I choose not to do, yet by your own theology I cannot do this if I am called.
So why do you argue with me, unless you do not believe your own faith?
Andrew Farley created a simple view diagram of the believer. In his view all the issues of the heart are just gone.
My experience in myself and other christians with a real past, is this just does not happen.
The thing about real sinners, when the come to the Lord it is obvious. Sin is left behind, a new joy enters their life and things change. The problem is underlying behaviour patterns and things built into their lives that need working through.
If not worked through often the slide back into their old life and old ways of dealing with stress restarts, and the word gets taken away.
Now this is just not the Andrew Farley model. Now scripture could hold with Andrews ideas, but in reality if it does not make sense and does not work, why would any of the apostles ever deal with this situation. It just did not happen in 70AD.
The only people this was an issue with was the pharisees who lived as close to a righteous life as you could get.
And the apostles knew all the arguments, because they grew up with them. So again the possibility of this kind of error was zero.
Today the argument only works among people who generally are loving and kind in their culture, so the switch to Christianity is a religious one and not a real life reality. So who are they really appealing to, religious christians. And what is their gospel, tweak your conscience. It is like a flash in the pan, it relies on their christian heritage to keep alive, while destroying all its support. What happens when it collapses, so goes their faith.
My experience in myself and other christians with a real past, is this just does not happen.
The thing about real sinners, when the come to the Lord it is obvious. Sin is left behind, a new joy enters their life and things change. The problem is underlying behaviour patterns and things built into their lives that need working through.
If not worked through often the slide back into their old life and old ways of dealing with stress restarts, and the word gets taken away.
Now this is just not the Andrew Farley model. Now scripture could hold with Andrews ideas, but in reality if it does not make sense and does not work, why would any of the apostles ever deal with this situation. It just did not happen in 70AD.
The only people this was an issue with was the pharisees who lived as close to a righteous life as you could get.
And the apostles knew all the arguments, because they grew up with them. So again the possibility of this kind of error was zero.
Today the argument only works among people who generally are loving and kind in their culture, so the switch to Christianity is a religious one and not a real life reality. So who are they really appealing to, religious christians. And what is their gospel, tweak your conscience. It is like a flash in the pan, it relies on their christian heritage to keep alive, while destroying all its support. What happens when it collapses, so goes their faith.
since, you dont answer anything, only show you talking speculation.
you need to read your own comments. prove your statement. (why bother, answering ,
Gentiles have been given the gospel since Pentecost, I don't know what your whole 1500's has to do with anything ??? your quote.
the holy spirit and talking the gospel are to different thing. since you cant read your own writing, then who am i to tell you your talking rubbish. your own post just proved it,
you need to read your own comments. prove your statement. (why bother, answering ,
Gentiles have been given the gospel since Pentecost, I don't know what your whole 1500's has to do with anything ??? your quote.
the holy spirit and talking the gospel are to different thing. since you cant read your own writing, then who am i to tell you your talking rubbish. your own post just proved it,
judge not or be judged,is it talking about behaviour or judging other people.
get, andrew farley here, so that we, can ask him what he means. (having your own revelation , is to know what god wants from you. ) ie that why he gave christian the holy spirit.
looking at sin, would do what, to a believer. (saved by grace a gift)
4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.5
when were you a sinner. if your are a gentile. so prove, what made you a sinner.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,(law)26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3: By Faith, or by Works of the Law?
sorry in context jesus was talking to a jewish nation, not tweeking gentiles. so the error is with wrong definition to the meaning of scripture.
for example,
jesus only talked to the the crowd in parables. (the apostles filled in the gaps.)
what blind eyes, fail to see, is, you believe in a god through jesus christ. yet the gospel only tells, the life of jesus christ.
and death , resurrection. yet non christian jews would not know this. ie till later in the other books. etc.
get, andrew farley here, so that we, can ask him what he means. (having your own revelation , is to know what god wants from you. ) ie that why he gave christian the holy spirit.
looking at sin, would do what, to a believer. (saved by grace a gift)
4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.5
when were you a sinner. if your are a gentile. so prove, what made you a sinner.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,(law)26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3: By Faith, or by Works of the Law?
sorry in context jesus was talking to a jewish nation, not tweeking gentiles. so the error is with wrong definition to the meaning of scripture.
for example,
jesus only talked to the the crowd in parables. (the apostles filled in the gaps.)
what blind eyes, fail to see, is, you believe in a god through jesus christ. yet the gospel only tells, the life of jesus christ.
and death , resurrection. yet non christian jews would not know this. ie till later in the other books. etc.
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the bracket at the bottom should have been added. etc
what blind eyes, fail to see, is, you believe in a god through jesus christ. yet the gospel only tells, the life of jesus christ.
and death , resurrection. yet non christian jews would not know this. ie till later in the other books. etc.(that there was resurection)
what blind eyes, fail to see, is, you believe in a god through jesus christ. yet the gospel only tells, the life of jesus christ.
and death , resurrection. yet non christian jews would not know this. ie till later in the other books. etc.(that there was resurection)