The 1 John 1:9 Lie: More New.Modern.Hyper Grace blasphemy

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Here's an example of the atrocious exegesis that new.modern.hyper grace teachers use to try to prove that 1 John 1:9 applies only to unbelievers. This is by Ryan Rufus, son of Bob Rufus. > 1 John 1:9 explained clearly.

[Christ's] sacrifice was superior to the Old Covenant sacrifice in that it doesn't need to keep being offered in order to keep covering sins. It was offered once to completely remove sins!

That is why 1 John 1:7 and 9 are clear references to someone who is not born again, that if they would acknowledge their sin and their need for a savior then God is faithful to forgiven them and cleanse them of, not just their past sins, but all of their past and future sins once and for all time!

That is why chapter 2:1 says that if you do sin you have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.​

He says that since Christ's sacrifice was once-for-all, 1 John 1:9 only applies to those who are not born again. Essentially, a non-sequitur.

Then he refers to verse 2:1 to say that if a non-born-again person sins he has an advocate with the father. But who is John speaking to in that verse?

​My little children, I am writing these [things] to you in order that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous [one], 1 John 2:1​

John's use of the term my little children can only mean that he was referring to believers, but Rufus inadvertently claims the verse refers to unbelievers.

He also contradicts himself by saying that an unbeliever can't become a Christian until he confesses his sin, but then uses verse 2:1 to say that if an unbeliever does sin, he has an advocate with the father for forgiveness. Unbelievers are already in sin, so his exegesis is contradictory and nonsensical.

 

[Grace777x70]

The Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:14-30)

Once upon a time there was a man who went on a journey and before he left he entrusted three servants with his money. When the man returned, he praised the two servants who had doubled his money, but the third servant, who had done nothing, was thrown outside into the darkness.

The parable of the talents (Matt 25:14-30) is used by some to say, “Jesus paid a great price for you. If you don’t work hard to give him a return for his investment, he will toss you into the outer darkness. So get busy for Jesus.”


This resonates with those who see themselves as servants rather than sons of God, but it’s not what the parable is about. In the story, the servants don’t work at all; the money works:

The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. (Matt 25:16-17)

How do you put money to work? You invest it. Some translations say the servants traded the money. Perhaps they became money-lenders, or maybe they financed a business venture. I lived in Hong Kong, so I don’t find this hard to imagine. In Hong Kong you can smell the money working.

The parable of the talents is not about how hard you work for God, but what you will do with the riches he has given to you. In the story Jesus is the man going on a journey. The wealth given to the servants represents his grace, for grace is a gift and not a wage.

Jesus has entrusted you with the riches of his grace – his love, favor, and forgiveness. What will you do with his gifts? Will you invest them or scorn them? Will you put his grace to work? Or will you bury it in the ground?


How do you put grace to work?

In the story, two servants put their master’s wealth to work and both get a good return. The master is delighted:
“Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!” (Matt 25:21)

The master promotes the servants and makes them rulers in charge of many things. The Message Bible says he makes them his partners, which is a very apt description of what Jesus does for us:

For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ! (Rom 5:17)

God gives you grace so that you will be set free from servitude and reign in life through Jesus. How does it happen? It begins by believing that God loves you and is pleased with you. When you realize that you are your Father’s dearly-beloved child it will free you from the treadmill of dead works.

You won’t exhaust yourself seeking his acceptance and approval because in Christ you already have it! When you know that he has clothed you with his righteousness, you will be free from the law that makes men slaves (Gal 4:24).

How do we make grace work?


By trusting in it from start to finish. As we behold the grace of God revealed in Jesus, we are transformed. We mature into who we already are in Christ, kings and priests who reign over the earth (Rev 1:6, 5:10).


What about the third servant?

In the story the master is unimpressed with the servant who buried the gift:


“You wicked, lazy servant! … You should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.” (Matt 25:26-27)


There are different ways to invest money, but the easiest is to put it in the bank and accumulate interest. Yet the third servant didn’t even do this. He couldn’t be bothered. Instead he makes a speech that reveals his contempt for his master’s grace:

“Master, I knew that you are a hard man…” (Matt 25:24a)

A hard man?! His master gave him a bag of gold. For free! This was his golden ticket, a way out of servitude, but he scorned it.
“You are a hard man harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed.” (Matt 25:24a)

In other words, “You’re unreasonable Lord. You don’t play by the rules. Who gives bags of gold to servants? You must be nuts. I want nothing to do with your reckless grace and I feel quite justified in not playing your silly games. Besides, you gave me a great deal of money and I didn’t want to be held accountable for it:


“So I was afraid and went out and hid your gold in the ground.” (Matt 25:25a)


This actually makes sense to the self-righteous mind. “If I don’t earn it, I don’t want it.”

“See, here is what belongs to you.” (Matt 25:25b)

In other words, “Take back your bag of grace. I don’t need it, I don’t want it, and I will not be in your debt.”

Needless to say, Jesus is not impressed with the third servant. He calls him wicked, lazy, and worthless, and has him thrown into the outer darkness. His reaction to the self-righteous servant echoes his reaction to the foolish virgins in the preceding parable (“I don’t know you”; Matt 25:12), and the goats in the next one (“Depart from me”; Matt 25:41).

The rest of the grace-based teaching is below..click on the link..it will bless you as you see the love and grace of our Lord as He truly is..

The Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:14-30) – Escape to Reality

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is the one about the beaten servants....what "lens" are we using? ..Old Covenant or New Covenant?..it does make a difference..

The Parable of the Beaten Servants (Luke 12:35-48)


There are only two ways you can respond to Jesus; positively, in faith, or negatively, with unbelief. Consequently, it makes sense to speak, as Jesus did, of people dividing themselves into two groups: sheep and goats, wheat and weeds, good fish and bad fish.
But on a few occasions Jesus spoke of three or even four groups. Think of the parable of the sower where there were four types of soil (Matt. 13).

Or the parable of the master who came home to three types of servant in Luke 12. Here they are:

1. The faithful and wise servant (v.42) who makes his master happy and is put in charge of all his property
2. The abusive servant (v.45) who beats others, gets drunk, and is cut into pieces and beaten with many blows
3. The ignorant servant (v.48) who does something but it’s the wrong thing and receives a few blows

Since many Christians identify themselves as servants of the Master, this parable is troubling. What is Jesus saying? That he’s going to beat some of us? That he’s going to cut some of us into pieces?!

If interest you can click on the link below..

The Parable of the Beaten Servants (Luke 12:35-48) – Escape to Reality

 

[royalscot]

So instead of answering the question you instead come back with lies and insults !!!

It is not judging (wrongful judging) when the Word of God gives a clear answer to the question I put forward, why are you and a few others afraid to answer simple questions the bible gives the answer to.

Do you few have an issue with your "yes being yes, and no being no" ???

To not answer a simple question with a yes or no shows the indecisiveness of the doctrine you have been taught !!!

They make you feel as if you are in the wrong or judging wrongfully if you call other brothers out in their sins, but at the same time you still are doing this judging that you claim on others shouldn't be done.

And again you show you don't know the difference of walking in the Spirit vs. walking in the flesh, as you claim one who is speaking on obedience out of love to Christ is walking in the flesh.

Walking in the flesh is being sinful, which is why the written ordinances of the Mosaic law can make no person justified. Because no person can keep them all perfectly !!!

You can not go and slap those scriptures speaking on the works of the law (written ordinances of the Mosaic law) to apply to all works, by doing so you will always have the wrong conclusion !!!

you have already insulted grace.
instead of changing the subject. the problem he has is, he cant read his own posts. that why he changed his name again, because on the internet you can do that. he should be on you tube, waiting for likes.

 

[royalscot]

the parable of building your house in the wrong foundation, (jesus) the master builder, how to build a house in the first place.(correct foundations) came in a different book. so until around 1500, ad, you had no clue to build a house that would not fall. all along i have said, pea brain logic. that can t connect to the spiritual. oops sorry if i stood on your toes. again

 

[Gr8grace]

And that is a sign of one who lives to the flesh. A important sign that many people miss is that the Lords 2 witnesses do not come wearing fancy clothing, but rather sackcloth. The prophets, John the Baptist, Jesus, the apostles all walked in the lowliness and humility of the Spirit.

But these clearly walk after the lusts of the flesh, heaping treasures up on earth.

Its interesting how it works. A man dressed in sackcloth, stinking, uses "rough" language, or maybe even naked(Isaiah)

Makes half the congregation walk out.

A man Dressed is fine clothes, drives a nice car, has a pretty wife

makes half the congregation walk out.


It has always been the message and not the man. the man is fallible and a sinner and may not apply truth...........but his message may be truth.


Never,never,never judge a man's message by lifestyle.

 

[Willie-T]

Its interesting how it works. A man dressed in sackcloth, stinking, uses "rough" language, or maybe even naked(Isaiah)

Makes half the congregation walk out.

A man Dressed is fine clothes, drives a nice car, has a pretty wife

makes half the congregation walk out.


It has always been the message and not the man. the man is fallible and a sinner and may not apply truth...........but his message may be truth.


Never,never,never judge a man's message by lifestyle.

Ouch! Right between the eyes.

 

[popeye]

Its interesting how it works. A man dressed in sackcloth, stinking, uses "rough" language, or maybe even naked(Isaiah)

Makes half the congregation walk out.

A man Dressed is fine clothes, drives a nice car, has a pretty wife

makes half the congregation walk out.


It has always been the message and not the man. the man is fallible and a sinner and may not apply truth...........but his message may be truth.


Never,never,never judge a man's message by lifestyle.

mat 11
16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Never,never,never judge a man's message by lifestyle.

So don't judge a tree by it's fruit eh? Alrighty then! LOL!

 

[KennethC]

So don't judge a tree by it's fruit eh? Alrighty then! LOL!

I have said this before but some on here would call the Apostle Paul a heretic if he was around today preaching, because he would call out the sinful and wrong behavior in these people.

He would not sit back and let them continue to live in the wrong ways they are !!!

 

[KennethC]

you have already insulted grace.
instead of changing the subject. the problem he has is, he cant read his own posts. that why he changed his name again, because on the internet you can do that. he should be on you tube, waiting for likes.

I have not insulted God's grace, I have defended His true grace !!!

I have never changed my name Royalscot so I don't know where you come by that lie ???

I had a old account that I asked to be deleted because the OSAS wolves were so bad here a year and a half ago they could not stop attacking and condemning others who disagreed with them.

I was talked into staying by a number of people on here, which is why my account changed, because I had to make another because the first one was already scheduled for deletion.

Please get your facts before passing false accusations !!!

the parable of building your house in the wrong foundation, (jesus) the master builder, how to build a house in the first place.(correct foundations) came in a different book. so until around 1500, ad, you had no clue to build a house that would not fall. all along i have said, pea brain logic. that can t connect to the spiritual. oops sorry if i stood on your toes. again

Gentiles have been given the gospel since Pentecost, I don't know what your whole 1500's has to do with anything ???

The only thing that happened in the 1500's is when the term "once saved always saved" by John Calvin started being coined.

The true gospel message and all of Jesus teachings, as well as the epistles, were given to Gentiles well before the 1500's.........

 

[JGIG]

He picks you up ONCE, then the cleaning starts.

Scripture please.

Thanks.

-JGIG

Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
(Joh 13:8-10)

Same principle.

When Jesus cleansed you, did He not cleanse you completely?

What do other Scriptures say?

Was not this passage more about the need to be completely cleansed and servanthood than about continual cleansing?

-JGIG

 

[Grace777x70]

It looks like Jesus with His word sanctifies us....as we participate in His life...

John 17:17-19 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.



We are cleansed in our daily walk by His word. ( which is the very same way we are disciplined )


Ephesians 5:26-27 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
[SUP]27 [/SUP] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Faithful is He who calls you, and He also will bring it to pass.


Hebrews 13:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people through His own blood, suffered outside the gate.

There are lots more but I think we are catching on...

 

[Grace777x70]

here is a short 14 minute video about the very verse about Jesus washing our feet...it's beautiful what the Lord does when He washes our feet...we also "wash" each other's feet..with the word.. We have a 'bath" by the blood....and washed by His word as we walk in this world to get the dirt off of us..

[video=youtube;lbNW5Lqkxm4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbNW5Lqkxm4[/video]

 

[vic1980]

Never,never,never judge a man's message by lifestyle.

Thee Lifestyle of a born again believer is not worldly desires , because those things can make man boastful and full of pride in his heart. God clearly has pointed this truth out to us in scripture, that we should be focus on Him and not on things of this world that are passing away.


Romans 12:1-2 I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

Shalom

 

[vic1980]

Good reminder

Proverbs 21:2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.

Shalom

 

[Gr8grace]

So don't judge a tree by it's fruit eh? Alrighty then! LOL!

The ONLY fruit that we(men) can rightly discern is doctrine.

An unbeliever can live like a popper, an unbeliever can be very moral, an unbeliever can feed the poor, an unbeliever can feel sorry for their sins, an unbeliever can quit smoking, an unbeliever can fill a pew, an unbeliever can praise God, an unbeliever can quit drinking, an unbeliever can clean the church, an unbeliever can straighten up their lives, an unbeliever can dress in sackcloth, an unbeliever can and could convince us by their lifestyle and sweet language that they are a believer...........if we don't KNOW doctrine.

But if we know doctrine, his fruit(doctrine) will give him away.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The ONLY fruit that we(men) can rightly discern is doctrine.

An unbeliever can live like a popper, an unbeliever can be very moral, an unbeliever can feed the poor, an unbeliever can feel sorry for their sins, an unbeliever can quit smoking, an unbeliever can fill a pew, an unbeliever can praise God, an unbeliever can quit drinking, an unbeliever can clean the church, an unbeliever can straighten up their lives, an unbeliever can dress in sackcloth, an unbeliever can and could convince us by their lifestyle and sweet language that they are a believer...........if we don't KNOW doctrine.

But if we know doctrine, his fruit(doctrine) will give him away.

How about a priest who is a practicing homosexual or a child molester, do I need to hear his doctrine to know if he is reprobate?

Words and actions=fruits.

 

[Grace777x70]

No..he is no different then a liar and slanderer that is filled with malice...same thing..only different fruit then your priest guy....."fruit too"..just not as obvious especially to the self-righteous...

How about a believer that is having sex with his father's wife.... 1Cor 5......" delivered over to satan for the destruction of the flesh"...but he himself ( the spirit in him ) was still saved...there is more going on then an Old Covenant mindset...

How about a priest who is a practicing homosexual or a child molester, do I need to hear his doctrine to know if he is reprobate?

Words and actions=fruits.

 

[KennethC]

No..he is no different then a liar and slanderer that is filled with malice...same thing..only different fruit then your priest guy....."fruit too"..just not as obvious especially to the self-righteous...

How about a believer that is having sex with his father's wife.... 1Cor 5......" delivered over to satan for the destruction of the flesh"...but he himself ( the spirit in him ) was still saved...there is more going on then an Old Covenant mindset...

Well your usage of 1 Corinthians 5 is off a bit because you take and pull only part of it instead of go by the whole chapter to get the proper context.

Handed over to satan for the destruction of the flesh is not putting one to death !!!

By shunning the person because they refuse to give up their sinful ways, and handed them over to the sinful world would hopefully get them to wake up and repent.

To place this as saying putting a person to death who is in deliberate sin to be saved completely contradicts the Lord's chastisement, which is for correction and restoration !!!