Watching "Un-christian Porn" - protect your heart

[Stunnedbygrace]

He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:2

The Mishnah states, "To a man who says, 'I will sin and repent, I will sin and repent', Yom Kippur brings no atonement. For sins against God, Yom Kippur brings atonement. For sins against one's fellow man, Yom Kippur brings no atonement until he has become reconciled with the fellow man he wronged. Mishnah Yoma 8:9
According to Maimonides, in order to achieve true repentance the sinner must abandon his sin, remove it from his thoughts, and resolve in his heart never to repeat it, as it is said, “Let the wicked forsake his way and the man of iniquity his thoughts" (Isaiah 55:7). Likewise, he must regret the past, as it is said, "Surely after I turned I repented" (Jeremiah 31:18). He must also call Him who knows all secrets to witness that he will never return to this sin again.

In jewish theology, the atoning sacrifice is only part of the repentance process.
You cannot therefore talk about atonement with repentance, as the sacrifice only works for the person involved in the atoning. Now if the world wishes to seek atonement, Paul is saying they can achieve it.

The problem is taking a deeply religious term and applying it as if it does not come from this whole situation and conditions attached. You are talking about Paul, a pharisee who knew these implications from a child.

This is why your reading in to such passages is just absurd. None of the apostles equally would give it a second thought with their jewish background.

You do not do a good thing here Peter, to say they all agreed in writing that the good Samaritan did an evil act and then refuse to cite the place where they said it. This is not a valid testimony, as you know.

Now, could one of the people who Peter follows into threads harassing and derailing, give some inkling of where he may have come to this strange conclusion? If you participated in the thread where he thinks in his mind that everyone stated the good Samaritan did an evil deed, could you point me to it??

 

[PeterJens]

Please direct me to the thread Peter Jens.

Stunnedbygrace - I do not make up these discussions. Grace8 has repeated the same idea.

I think he is a heretic and nutcase, but you make up your own mind. Grace7x77 is happy to go along with him, but then I now think Grace7x77 goes along with anyone who creates trouble for the Kingdom, as his agreement is contradictatory.

I am not quite sure what you effort is trying to prove, or do you think there are not nutcases or heretics here among those you call friends and I am the evil demon possesed one with a spirit of religion? I hope you were not crying for me, because truly in the Lord I have no issues, but these guys, bucket loads....

 

[Gr8grace]

The argument went, good deeds done outside christ are evil. That is what they said.

I said Jesus called the deeds of the good samaritan were good, irrespective of faith. They gave no response.
Now they are here, ask them. Do they believe the good samaritan did something good or evil?

If they refuse to answer that is the answer, they believe it was evil but refuse to contradict Jesus because that would be blasphemy.

Good...............

Now show us where it is irrespective of faith. Or now the unbelieving Samaritan.............

New American Standard Bible
And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

Why would Jesus use the "works" of an unbeliever to prove to a religious "works" for salvation person that their "works" are good?

 

[PeterJens]

You do not do a good thing here Peter, to say they all agreed in writing that the good Samaritan did an evil act and then refuse to cite the place where they said it. This is not a valid testimony, as you know.

Now, could one of the people who Peter follows into threads harassing and derailing, give some inkling of where he may have come to this strange conclusion? If you participated in the thread where he thinks in his mind that everyone stated the good Samaritan did an evil deed, could you point me to it??

Sorry. I said exactly this good deeds can be done separate from faith and said the good samaritan was an example of this.
Grace8 believes you will be sent to hell for this. Ask him if you do not believe me.

The point you are making is stupid. Are you in agreement with Grace8 that good deeds are evil?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

We all have issues Peter. None of us has full and complete knowledge and understanding.

The issue at this particular moment or, as you say, "what I am trying to prove" or disprove, is whether there is a thread where all of the ones you castigate all stated that the good Samaritan did an evil deed. But since you won't cite the thread, I am thinking you know that your statement is untrue.

 

[Grace777x70]

I for one say ....Absolutely NOT.....all sin is taken away by Jesus...."Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world".....that is done...now people need to respond to what was done....believe and receive what Jesus has done for us...there are people going into the Lake of Fire for sure....hard to believe people would reject Him...but some do...

I'm confused. Is THIS wht the definition is of Hyper grace? That EVERYONE will be saved, whether they believe in Jesus or not, whether, they are a Muslim, an atheist, a bhuddist, etc..?

 

[Gr8grace]

That is universalism. As I stated before, because in this theology everything is sin if not done in Christ, there is no punishment for sin so no lake of fire.

Now logically this contradicts all of scripture therefore must be wrong in interpretation, therefore Paul could not mean Christ dying for all sin and thereby eliminating it is heresy.

Thank you.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Sorry. I said exactly this good deeds can be done separate from faith and said the good samaritan was an example of this.
Grace8 believes you will be sent to hell for this. Ask him if you do not believe me.

The point you are making is stupid. Are you in agreement with Grace8 that good deeds are evil?

You think it is making a stupid point to want you to show me where it is that you said they all agreed the good Samaritan did an evil deed...?

 

[PeterJens]

We all have issues Peter.

Good...............

Now show us where it is irrespective of faith. Or now the unbelieving Samaritan.............

New American Standard Bible
And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

Why would Jesus use the "works" of an unbeliever to prove to a religious "works" for salvation person that their "works" are good?

Stunnedbygrace do you understand what Grace8 is asking? If you understand it that is my answer if not I cannot help you.

Grace8 is saying the good samaritan is doing an evil act.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

We all have issues Peter. None of us has full and complete knowledge and understanding.

The issue at this particular moment or, as you say, "what I am trying to prove" or disprove, is whether there is a thread where all of the ones you castigate all stated that the good Samaritan did an evil deed. But since you won't cite the thread, I am thinking you know that your statement is untrue.

Why don't you do the simple thing and just ask the parties that Peter mentioned if they think the Samaritan's work was evil? It's virtually impossible to find past postings unless you know exactly where they're at.

 

[Gr8grace]

Stunnedbygrace do you understand what Grace8 is asking? If you understand it that is my answer if not I cannot help you.

Grace8 is saying the good samaritan is doing an evil act.

It was good.

 

[PeterJens]

It was good.

Ok if the good samaritans deed was a good deed how can deeds done outside Christ be evil?

You cannot have both.

 

[PeterJens]

It was good.

If deed done outside Christ are good then all are saved, as deeds done in sin are evil and forgiven.
So this is universalism.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

No, it isn't virtually impossible at all. He could look through his last posts page and find the thread fairly easily, because I am sure he participated in it.

So let's just state for the record here that Peter has made a claim that they all stated this but has no other witness and no proof of its being stated other than his own testimony. Unless you participated in the thread too and would like to bring your own witness to agree with his?

 

[Gr8grace]

I for one say ....Absolutely NOT.....all sin is taken away by Jesus...."Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world".....that is done...now people need to respond to what was done....believe and receive what Jesus has done for us...there are people going into the Lake of Fire for sure....hard to believe people would reject Him...but some do...

I missed that one. Universalism is just tossed out there to discredit and to show how sin focused we really are.

Most believers will say that Christ did pay for the sins of the whole world, but have unbelievers going to hell for their sins. that is just simply untrue. And why it will get the "venom", because those that are relying on their own righteousness, will be judged and cast into the LoF for those self righteous deeds.

They never trusted in Christ alone, they trusted is themselves alone. And will be judged and condemned for those deeds.

There is religion and self righteousness in hell, not sins. Christ paid for all sin.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

No, it isn't virtually impossible at all. He could look through his last posts page and find the thread fairly easily, because I am sure he participated in it.

So let's just state for the record here that Peter has made a claim that they all stated this but has no other witness and no proof of its being stated other than his own testimony. Unless you participated in the thread too and would like to bring your own witness to agree with his?

You're just trying to be contrary. If you really wanted to know, you'd ask the concerned parties.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I missed that one. Universalism is just tossed out there to discredit and to show how sin focused we really are.

Most believers will say that Christ did pay for the sins of the whole world, but have unbelievers going to hell for their sins. that is just simply untrue. And why it will get the "venom", because those that are relying on their own righteousness, will be judged and cast into the LoF for those self righteous deeds.

They never trusted in Christ alone, they trusted is themselves alone. And will be judged and condemned for those deeds.

There is religion and self righteousness in hell, not sins. Christ paid for all sin.

I'm glad you're religion is confusing as hell. Nobody in their right mind can follow what you believe.

 

[PeterJens]

It was good.

Once you are into universalism you are into lawlessness because nothing actually matters, only if you fancy being good.
This is what we have been saying hyper-grace is going towards.

Now if you want to argue I am lying about these ideas, then you are brain dead, and have deeper problems than a christian forum can solve. What I find stunning is you think the Holy Spirit is leading you here? Is this what Israel is all about and the law and judgement, to end in lawlessness?

 

[Gr8grace]

If deed done outside Christ are good then all are saved, as deeds done in sin are evil and forgiven.
So this is universalism.

Show us where the good samaritan is out of Christ. the Jews thought that salvation was not for the Samaritans or they were "out of Christ", Not Jesus Christ.

 

[Grace777x70]

and...that goes in line with the sin of unbelief.....not believing is a choice....even tho sins are taken away by the Blood of Christ..they refuse that Blood sacrifice on their behalf...

John 16:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me;

I missed that one. Universalism is just tossed out there to discredit and to show how sin focused we really are.

Most believers will say that Christ did pay for the sins of the whole world, but have unbelievers going to hell for their sins. that is just simply untrue. And why it will get the "venom", because those that are relying on their own righteousness, will be judged and cast into the LoF for those self righteous deeds.

They never trusted in Christ alone, they trusted is themselves alone. And will be judged and condemned for those deeds.

There is religion and self righteousness in hell, not sins. Christ paid for all sin.