Self Examination: Do you understand the Gospel?
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.This passage keeps coming to mind:
19 We love because he first loved us. 20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.21 And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother. (from 1 Jn. 4)
-JGIG
Where did you dig up this guy?
The only one taking things to this level is YOU.
Not one of the folks here preaching the Gospel of Grace has put forth ANYTHING like what YOU have posted here.
No, we have continually presented teachings via contextual Scripture and links to teachers who do the same.
Shaking my head, and again, I'm sooooooo content to trust the reader to examine the teachings and demeanor from each poster here, go to the Scriptures and seek God on the matter.
-JGIG
There is a deep spiritual need.
That need is for people to be shown love, to be known God loves them, to resolve many hurts and pains they have through childhood and into the working world.
It is easy to say the words, to talk about Jesus but to lock up ones soul in a box. What young people are asking for is simple. How many of the fellowships they visit have conquered and been set free within? It would appear that though people express with their words freedom the actual expression in their lives is very limited.
Into this vacuum enthusiastic young people can jump, with music and dance, talk spiritual wonders and say its all here, except it is mainly just showbizz.
The answer is to realise in ones life, I need to take risks, I need to show I care, to openly support those that matter to me, to be a light in the darkness, to be reliable, to walk as Jesus asked me to walk. One step at a time.
That need is for people to be shown love, to be known God loves them, to resolve many hurts and pains they have through childhood and into the working world.
It is easy to say the words, to talk about Jesus but to lock up ones soul in a box. What young people are asking for is simple. How many of the fellowships they visit have conquered and been set free within? It would appear that though people express with their words freedom the actual expression in their lives is very limited.
Into this vacuum enthusiastic young people can jump, with music and dance, talk spiritual wonders and say its all here, except it is mainly just showbizz.
The answer is to realise in ones life, I need to take risks, I need to show I care, to openly support those that matter to me, to be a light in the darkness, to be reliable, to walk as Jesus asked me to walk. One step at a time.
A dispensation theology relies on one concept.
Sin no longer matters, just faith in Christ.
The enemy is seen as legalism, or trying to be righteous, which is pictured as impossible.
The object is to eliminate law in peoples lives and get them to see acceptance in Christ.
The gospel says with communion with God you can walk in love and righteousness.
There is nothing that can stop you conquering sin and death through Christ.
What the prophets saw, what the law describes is fullfilled in this walk in communion.
The communion can only be achieved through Christ and dwelling in the Spirit.
The core is to release love in your heart and heal the hurt and pain.
You cannot be what you are not, but equally when you become you cannot but walk
as Jesus called you to and has made you.
You are transformed through obedience and walking with Jesus.
Sin matters 100%, but love matters more, it is the power over sin through Jesus.
Many have tried walking as if they understood, but have not gone deeply into Jesus or themselves.
Both of these things make it impossible to walk, until issues within are dealt with.
But this is done step by step as you walk with Jesus.
Sin no longer matters, just faith in Christ.
The enemy is seen as legalism, or trying to be righteous, which is pictured as impossible.
The object is to eliminate law in peoples lives and get them to see acceptance in Christ.
The gospel says with communion with God you can walk in love and righteousness.
There is nothing that can stop you conquering sin and death through Christ.
What the prophets saw, what the law describes is fullfilled in this walk in communion.
The communion can only be achieved through Christ and dwelling in the Spirit.
The core is to release love in your heart and heal the hurt and pain.
You cannot be what you are not, but equally when you become you cannot but walk
as Jesus called you to and has made you.
You are transformed through obedience and walking with Jesus.
Sin matters 100%, but love matters more, it is the power over sin through Jesus.
Many have tried walking as if they understood, but have not gone deeply into Jesus or themselves.
Both of these things make it impossible to walk, until issues within are dealt with.
But this is done step by step as you walk with Jesus.
As I said in my post, that guy is a disciple of John Crowder, who is one of the hypergrace teachers. He appeals to a fringe following with his methods (tokin' the ghost, smoking baby Jesus, snorting lines of scripture), but his teachings on grace are identical with other hypergrace teachers. One hypergrace devotee here said that guy's behavior was a bit radical (or something to that effect), but he didn't find fault with him or John Crowder.
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Sadly, it is people like you who state sin no longer matters, Non of the rest of us teach this heresy.
We are not excusing our sin in the name of religion
we are not excusing our sin, while condemning other people who are sinning
we do not compair ourselves wiht the world to see how sinful we are. or the people next to us, or the church down the street, or anything of the such, We compair ourselvs to the perfect law of God. and realize we have, are and will fall short of that law. And continue to run the race ad paul did, because we KNOW WE HAVE NOT MADE It..
I hate to say it bro, but you can not judge the world or the problems of the world until you judge yourself first
I wonder EG, if I say sin matter 100%, how do you get to sin no longer matters?
Unless english means something different you are just contradicting what I am saying.
You believe it is impossible to walk in righteousness. So how did Paul and the apostles do it.
John could not write
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.
1 John 3:21-22
John is writing about his current experience.
It sounds like everyday you know you sin, but not quite sure if what you call sin is actually sin, because with that track record you are not going to heaven. It looks more like OCD, which you condemn yourself over, with a history of legalism, it has nothing to do with the gospel, is your own personal hell.
Now I am saying sin, 100% matters, you need to face it head on and take captive all your thoughts you choose for Christ.
But it does not sound like you have even done this. You stated every morning you wake up thanking God you are not in hell. I wake up praising God for His blessing of my life. Which is walking in faith and which in unbelief?
Unless english means something different you are just contradicting what I am saying.
You believe it is impossible to walk in righteousness. So how did Paul and the apostles do it.
John could not write
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.
1 John 3:21-22
John is writing about his current experience.
It sounds like everyday you know you sin, but not quite sure if what you call sin is actually sin, because with that track record you are not going to heaven. It looks more like OCD, which you condemn yourself over, with a history of legalism, it has nothing to do with the gospel, is your own personal hell.
Now I am saying sin, 100% matters, you need to face it head on and take captive all your thoughts you choose for Christ.
But it does not sound like you have even done this. You stated every morning you wake up thanking God you are not in hell. I wake up praising God for His blessing of my life. Which is walking in faith and which in unbelief?
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Maybe because you say one thing, but you preach Another?
I never said that, So please stop saying this.
I said it is IMPOSSIBLE to walk in a righteous way which is worthy of salvation (in a way the law would not condemn you, which requires perfection according to moses and paul)
There is a huge difference here..
Yeah he is, He is not saying he is sinless and worthy of salvation, He said his mind is focused on God not self. Again a huge difference.
The same person also said a child born of God can not sin, for he has Gods spirit in hi, and can not sin, And whoever sins has never seen God nor known him
So do you take only part of what John said, or do you take it all?
Well I guess if I was like you, I would say this, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt,
In reality it is getting into the night, getting before God, and saying Hey God show me areas in which I failed to trust you today, Then show me why I failed to trust you in those areas. and what I need to do to correct them.
It is coming before God with a humble heart knowing you were not perfect. Not condemning yourself every day, WHy would I condemn myself everyday? I would not be looking to grace, I would be looking at law.
And I have also said it matters 100 % but you deny I say this so here we are again, stuck in a division which can not be broken.
lol.. It is faith in God, that I will not be where I deserve to be, Hell.
Thats faith! Thats salvation!
How can you praise God for all your blessing and not praise him for the fact your not in hell? That is what does not make sense.. to me it is shallow, and not remembering where we came from,
I never said that, So please stop saying this.
I said it is IMPOSSIBLE to walk in a righteous way which is worthy of salvation (in a way the law would not condemn you, which requires perfection according to moses and paul)
There is a huge difference here..
Yeah he is, He is not saying he is sinless and worthy of salvation, He said his mind is focused on God not self. Again a huge difference.
The same person also said a child born of God can not sin, for he has Gods spirit in hi, and can not sin, And whoever sins has never seen God nor known him
So do you take only part of what John said, or do you take it all?
Well I guess if I was like you, I would say this, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt,
In reality it is getting into the night, getting before God, and saying Hey God show me areas in which I failed to trust you today, Then show me why I failed to trust you in those areas. and what I need to do to correct them.
It is coming before God with a humble heart knowing you were not perfect. Not condemning yourself every day, WHy would I condemn myself everyday? I would not be looking to grace, I would be looking at law.
And I have also said it matters 100 % but you deny I say this so here we are again, stuck in a division which can not be broken.
lol.. It is faith in God, that I will not be where I deserve to be, Hell.
Thats faith! Thats salvation!
How can you praise God for all your blessing and not praise him for the fact your not in hell? That is what does not make sense.. to me it is shallow, and not remembering where we came from,
You are running a very self condemning view of God. God accepts me as I am. I do not separate out each action into self and God, because I have no way of doing that. God accepts me as I am, warts and all. Personality failures, ways of expressing are not sin. I do not have a long list of corrections I need to make.
I look at what I have to do each day, as far as I know, and commit it to the Lord. I then walk in those things, trusting God will show me and guide me along the steps. At the end of the day I thank Him for his blessing. There is not a perfect way, and I have failed in these points, I just walked in love and shared as I have been led.
You look at hell as punishment. I look at hell as the place where failure with no remedy. If I walk with Jesus, ofcourse destruction is not an issue, and neither is thinking about it. What I do think about is the wonder of how God works in the human heart, how love works to the best, how so many things knit together to build His people despite what the enemy might do.
And I am not self-righteous saying "God I am not like them." No I pray, how Lord can I help those who need help find healing and love in their lives? I seek here to express the great work He has done in me to encourage and build others up, that the Lord will do great things in you no matter how small and incapable you feel. God has just the right time to do exactly just the right amount of work.
We are sinners saved by grace transformed into His likeness. It sounds to me like you do not believe you walk in His ways or have His likeness. How has Christs work failed in your heart?
I look at what I have to do each day, as far as I know, and commit it to the Lord. I then walk in those things, trusting God will show me and guide me along the steps. At the end of the day I thank Him for his blessing. There is not a perfect way, and I have failed in these points, I just walked in love and shared as I have been led.
You look at hell as punishment. I look at hell as the place where failure with no remedy. If I walk with Jesus, ofcourse destruction is not an issue, and neither is thinking about it. What I do think about is the wonder of how God works in the human heart, how love works to the best, how so many things knit together to build His people despite what the enemy might do.
And I am not self-righteous saying "God I am not like them." No I pray, how Lord can I help those who need help find healing and love in their lives? I seek here to express the great work He has done in me to encourage and build others up, that the Lord will do great things in you no matter how small and incapable you feel. God has just the right time to do exactly just the right amount of work.
We are sinners saved by grace transformed into His likeness. It sounds to me like you do not believe you walk in His ways or have His likeness. How has Christs work failed in your heart?
I preach very little, but you read in your own agenda. I notice you go to an NAR church with spheres.
I am not surprised you have a quirky view of God and walking with the Lord.
You do know the Lord loves you as you are and does not ask you to do anything. When you are ready to walk, you walk, because you know you need to. God does not say, do good works, he says see that person over there, see that need, do you love them? So you go over and help. Do you know this reality even? Or is it still all obligation and I do not want to?
I am not surprised you have a quirky view of God and walking with the Lord.
You do know the Lord loves you as you are and does not ask you to do anything. When you are ready to walk, you walk, because you know you need to. God does not say, do good works, he says see that person over there, see that need, do you love them? So you go over and help. Do you know this reality even? Or is it still all obligation and I do not want to?
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So let me get this straight.
God accepts you as you are (we agree here)
But then, he may not accept you as you are (you may lose salvation)
Seems like you are the one running a condemning view of God. Saying he will do one thing, then change his mind and not do the very thing he said he does.
Then why would you ever walk away from that? Unless God some how lets you down. there would be absolutely no reason, nor desire to walk away from that joy, and return to the filth of sin we were before we came to Christ.
Yet you believe we can do this? Where is the power in all this, if one can walk away there is no power. its a lie, it is faith in you, and how well you do, and how good you are at resisting the urge to fall away..
its not about God
lol. Thats what it is, Reserved for satan and his angels. And if we are not SAVED, then we will join them in that punishment.
So as long as YOU DO, your ok, It does not matter what God did or is doing, Forgive me if I am wrong, but that is what you just said.
You will not encourage them by saying do these things, and God will love and forgive you and MAYBE allow you into heaven.
Which is what you preach.
see, again, you are wrong.
I do believe it, Thats why I believe in eternal security in Christ.
You do not believe it, thats why you reject eternal security in Christ.
as i said earlier, You say one thing, but you preach another.
God accepts you as you are (we agree here)
But then, he may not accept you as you are (you may lose salvation)
Seems like you are the one running a condemning view of God. Saying he will do one thing, then change his mind and not do the very thing he said he does.
Then why would you ever walk away from that? Unless God some how lets you down. there would be absolutely no reason, nor desire to walk away from that joy, and return to the filth of sin we were before we came to Christ.
Yet you believe we can do this? Where is the power in all this, if one can walk away there is no power. its a lie, it is faith in you, and how well you do, and how good you are at resisting the urge to fall away..
its not about God
lol. Thats what it is, Reserved for satan and his angels. And if we are not SAVED, then we will join them in that punishment.
So as long as YOU DO, your ok, It does not matter what God did or is doing, Forgive me if I am wrong, but that is what you just said.
You will not encourage them by saying do these things, and God will love and forgive you and MAYBE allow you into heaven.
Which is what you preach.
see, again, you are wrong.
I do believe it, Thats why I believe in eternal security in Christ.
You do not believe it, thats why you reject eternal security in Christ.
as i said earlier, You say one thing, but you preach another.
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NAR?
and do you even know what a sphere is? Do not judge unless you are certain you understand it, otherwise you just make a fool of yourself.
I do not read into my agenda. What I say does not matter, WHat God says is what matters, I like to defend what God says, is there a problem with that?
I hear you say this, Then say the opposite by saying God will judge you as you are..(salvation can be lost)
I am doing the very thing you sa we should do here, God has showm me I need to show you some things. And I have been trying to do this..
I can only plant, some ne else needs to water, then God needs to grow it..
and do you even know what a sphere is? Do not judge unless you are certain you understand it, otherwise you just make a fool of yourself.
I do not read into my agenda. What I say does not matter, WHat God says is what matters, I like to defend what God says, is there a problem with that?
I hear you say this, Then say the opposite by saying God will judge you as you are..(salvation can be lost)
I am doing the very thing you sa we should do here, God has showm me I need to show you some things. And I have been trying to do this..
I can only plant, some ne else needs to water, then God needs to grow it..
B
Actually, John says that if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, but if we say we have not sinned, we're calling God a liar, and in both cases, God's word is not in us. Go ahead and check me out. (1 John 1:8 then 1 John 1:10). The Bible says study to show thyself approved. You can't simply take one verse out of God's Word, and form sound doctrine based on that one verse, and that's what a lot of people do. This is why we have a study we call "hermeneutics." The Bible say "rightly dividing the Word of Truth."
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what part of
"we love because God loved us" do you not understand.
What person who has experienced the full love of God in the forgiveness of sin would continue to never forgive another person the rest of their ives and not be changed by that love..
That is not a pre-requisite for salvation, That is just a way to judge ourselves if whether we are saved or not.. Do we forgive, if we have an issue forgiving, is it because we are not yet forgiven ourselves?
"we love because God loved us" do you not understand.
What person who has experienced the full love of God in the forgiveness of sin would continue to never forgive another person the rest of their ives and not be changed by that love..
That is not a pre-requisite for salvation, That is just a way to judge ourselves if whether we are saved or not.. Do we forgive, if we have an issue forgiving, is it because we are not yet forgiven ourselves?