Self Examination: Do you understand the Gospel?

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This will make your heart jump in love for our great Lord Jesus! He is the King of all kings! His love is unfailing. He took our place! We love our Lord!

[video=youtube;Bn5zk3yCRr0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn5zk3yCRr0[/video]
 
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Same guy. This guy is a disciple of John Crowder of hypergrace fame. Little difference between what they believe and what hypergrace folk here believe.

[video=youtube;HQ3OzeIa56s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ3OzeIa56s[/video]
 
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Older brothers..come into the party our Father has for us! The music is playing..the fatted calf has been slaughtered...He loves us and is mighty to save! Come join your brothers and sisters in the Lord!

 

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No only CC. This is most of the church in one form or another today. With the introduction of Jesus Culture and Bethel Church drawing in millions of young people, International House of Prayer, feel good preachers like ol' smilin' Joel and Joseph Prince, we are seeing what I would consider the great apostasy in action. It's wholly satanic.
soooo by this logic, you have it in your head how the Word should be preached. if you hear something DIFFERENT it is automatically wrong, because it is DIFFERENT. never mind if the same thing you believe is just being said ANOTHER way, do not measure and weigh truth. different= wrong. o.k. then...........
 

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Same guy. This guy is a disciple of John Crowder of hypergrace fame. Little difference between what they believe and what hypergrace folk here believe.

[video=youtube;HQ3OzeIa56s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ3OzeIa56s[/video]
Crowder promotes "New Mystic Schools" on his website. Mixes paganism and new age, eastern mysticism, and so on, with Christianity. His website is even called the new mystics.

All of these groups have the same roots. Toronto blessing the most recent core.

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If this doesn't make your heart jump in awe and love for our Lord....something is wrong....


[video=youtube;8-Gxjtd6Wp4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Gxjtd6Wp4[/video]
 

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soooo by this logic, you have it in your head how the Word should be preached. if you hear something DIFFERENT it is automatically wrong, because it is DIFFERENT. never mind if the same thing you believe is just being said ANOTHER way, do not measure and weigh truth. different= wrong. o.k. then...........
These people don't preach the word. The word is absent. At what point is enough enough? At what point do you think it's ok to get on all fours and bark like a dog and claim it's the Holy Spirit? At what point is shaking violently liek you are demon possessed and calling it the Holy Spirit okay? Where does it end?
 
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gb9

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soooo by this logic, you have it in your head how the Word should be preached. if you hear something DIFFERENT it is automatically wrong, because it is DIFFERENT. never mind if the same thing you believe is just being said ANOTHER way, do not measure and weigh truth. different= wrong. o.k. then...........
and by the way, I am not defending any of the t.v. pastors mentioned above. I am just saying that this closed-minded my-way or-it-is-wrong attitude that some have is just as bad and evil as the well-known false teachers, because it shoves folks AWAY from Christ, instead of drawing them in.
 
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lot's of crack pots on the internet ...here is some to do with Billy Graham...lot's garbage out there and those who seek it out..

Here is one from a site called. The path of truth"..imagine.

How the Lord Exposed Billy Graham

Here Billy is a wolf in sheep's clothing..there is no end to religious nonsense..

Wolves in Costume: Billy Graham




Crowder promotes "New Mystic Schools" on his website. Mixes paganism and new age, eastern mysticism, and so on, with Christianity. His website is even called the new mystics.

All of these groups have the same roots. Toronto blessing the most recent core.

Sons of Thunder
 
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You can be convinced you are saved and, in fact, be self-deceived and never were int he faith. That's why we have scriptures warning us to examine ourselves and test all things. This is a foreign concept for the hyper grace camp.

You too? (rolls eyes)


How can you be a calvanist and not understand grace? Are you a closet legalist?
 

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and by the way, I am not defending any of the t.v. pastors mentioned above. I am just saying that this closed-minded my-way or-it-is-wrong attitude that some have is just as bad and evil as the well-known false teachers, because it shoves folks AWAY from Christ, instead of drawing them in.
It would be close-minded if it was an uneducated stance. I have done the research. I recommend everyone else do they same for themselves.
 

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If this doesn't make your heart jump in awe and love for our Lord....something is wrong...
I prefer other musicians above Kari Jobe. How does that make something wrong?

[video=youtube;dsiDukXIeVY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsiDukXIeVY[/video]

That's what happens if you don't believe in the same way as they do...:rolleyes:
 
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Many here seem to, in the sense that they deny parts of scripture that are relevant to Christians as far as obeying Christ. S'all good if you're saved though. Don't worry about discernment, confessing sins, righteous judgment, any type of laws, or any semblance of structure. You're good to go no matter what. These people are taking far too much liberty and have become lawless.

lol.. You have alot of ASSUMPTIONS THERE.

I find it amazing, Legalistic people. who deny grace altogether and think salvation is only a religious thing, not a reality we hold on to are the ones who are liking what you say..
 
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Notice they believed they were believers. Get it?
Yeah they believed they were saved, BY THEIR WORKS..

GET IT!!

They did not say, but God I put my faiht in you , your promises, your death, your ressurection. My whole christian life was based on that foundation..

No. They had to puff themselves up, and say But God look at all my works in your name don;t they account for anything?


Jesus ain't talking to licentious people. They would never puff up their works. (THEY DO NOT HAVE NO WORKS) remember, they did not think they had to obey God, they could live however they wanted.
 
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I love that one too.....they are great!

I see you are taking posts from other threads and blending them together in this one.........LOL..


I like these guys too..

[video=youtube;_HGRyxAfhZU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HGRyxAfhZU[/video]

I prefer other musicians above Kari Jobe. How does that make something wrong?

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Here is where many are proving themselves to be reprobate in these forums. They say they are under grace, but yet they also say they sin every day. They by their own confession prove themselves not to be "in Christ" and reprobate .

Jesus Christ came to set us free from sin, and to make us righteous as He is righteous by the power of His Spirit working in us. (note, not our own righteousness, but Christ's righteousness working in us) Grace does not reign in you by sin, but Gods grace reigns in you through Christ's righteousness.

Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

If your sinning, then sin reigns over you, and not grace through righteousness. Whosoever sins is of the Devil, and is a servant of sin, and not a servant of righteousness.

If you are under grace, then sin shall not have dominion (reign) over you.

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

So once again the proof of a true conversion and being born again "in Christ" is in the fruit it produces, whether of sin unto death, or of righteousness unto Eternal Life.

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

this is completely unbiblical and quite near heretical. Your statements are definitive in that you claim equality with God! Apparently, you have no concept of theology or hermeneutics. 1 John 1:8 says -"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us." Therefore, Christians do sin, however there is a difference between sinning, being convicted, towards confession and living a continual life of unconfessed sin in suppressing God's truth. they that do this are who eventually becomes reprobate. Please read Romans 1:18-32 again, and this time try not to confuse we imperfect Christians with God suppressors who sweep truth under the rug. (atheists). 1 John 1:9 says - "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Is he talking to the lost here? I think not! And Romans 5:21 is referring to the righteous of Christ reigning in us, not are own righteousness. And notice it says "grace." By grace you are saved through faith. Saved from what? Sin, of course! What is the meaning of grace where there is no sin? Do you think grace just goes away after one becomes a Christian? I think not! You quoted it yourself with Romans 5:21, which you took out of context by the way. Furthermore, You call God a liar! 1 John 1:10 - "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." Tell me, was John talking to the lost when he wrote that? Do yourself and everyone else a favor and actually read the scriptures before teaching erroneous doctrines. You have to compare scripture with scripture to find the authentic interpretation of biblical texts. You take scripture out of context like so many others. You have no understanding of hermeneutics and proper comparatives when drawing theological conclusions about scripture.
 
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