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I think what bugs me more than most things is someone deliberately trying to paint a picture of God that, it seems, they are hoping will discourage people from wanting to find Him.
Has anyone noticed how every once in a while a thread like this appears from a new member? And then a post appears from another new member who claims to not be a Christian, and who expresses doubts about becoming a Christian because of the way Christians act? It's almost predictable.
This thread, like many others Willie-T, is indeed deliberate..... And yes, you are correct about painting a picture purposely to turn people away from God.

And HRFTD, I believe you are also correct about the predictability of the threads as well.....

In fact, the majority of the BDF threads are purposely written, some would say, like a script. Over time, some leave, only to be replaced by others who do the exact same thing.

What is my evidence to confirm such a thing? Reruns of the same arguments? The same people participating in these arguments? What about the constant twisting of scripture?

No, none of these is needed. I want to draw your attention, dear reader, to the ONE THING that's never been covered in this forum:

THE LACK OF DISCIPLINE & ORDER.

It's true that atheist forums are far better with their threads..... because their management wouldn't let ANY poster, for or against an issue, act so disorderly in the first place. When such arguments happen on their sites, they just ban everyone who likes to start trouble, period.

People SAY you can't control a forum like you do a church..... but the opposite is true. One person makes the rules, & their moderators enforce it.

A site like this can be locked down if it's owner so desires, or turn its participants loose to do & say whatever they want.

So, my question is, no matter who is right or wrong in their doctrine, WHY is such insolent & ungodly behavior not kicked right out the door? This is a huge problem, & it's growing. Who's going to stop it?

The ONE thing most of the BDF posters AND members in other forums will agree on is this: the BDF forum is messed up from the floor up. This forum, above all others, should be the most godly, because some of the most mature christians should be in here leading others closer to God by discussing proper doctrine to them. THIS forum should be the most serious of them all, because we should be building up the brethren in their faith through the Word.

In a nutshell, dear reader, the problem isn't what's going on in here, but why it's allowed to happen. Isn't this the problem in many churches today, their leadership allowing sin in them?
 

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This thread, like many others Willie-T, is indeed deliberate..... And yes, you are correct about painting a picture purposely to turn people away from God.

And HRFTD, I believe you are also correct about the predictability of the threads as well.....

In fact, the majority of the BDF threads are purposely written, some would say, like a script. Over time, some leave, only to be replaced by others who do the exact same thing.

What is my evidence to confirm such a thing? Reruns of the same arguments? The same people participating in these arguments? What about the constant twisting of scripture?

No, none of these is needed. I want to draw your attention, dear reader, to the ONE THING that's never been covered in this forum:

THE LACK OF DISCIPLINE & ORDER.

It's true that atheist forums are far better with their threads..... because their management wouldn't let ANY poster, for or against an issue, act so disorderly in the first place. When such arguments happen on their sites, they just ban everyone who likes to start trouble, period.

People SAY you can't control a forum like you do a church..... but the opposite is true. One person makes the rules, & their moderators enforce it.

A site like this can be locked down if it's owner so desires, or turn its participants loose to do & say whatever they want.

So, my question is, no matter who is right or wrong in their doctrine, WHY is such insolent & ungodly behavior not kicked right out the door? This is a huge problem, & it's growing. Who's going to stop it?

The ONE thing most of the BDF posters AND members in other forums will agree on is this: the BDF forum is messed up from the floor up. This forum, above all others, should be the most godly, because some of the most mature christians should be in here leading others closer to God by discussing proper doctrine to them. THIS forum should be the most serious of them all, because we should be building up the brethren in their faith through the Word.

In a nutshell, dear reader, the problem isn't what's going on in here, but why it's allowed to happen. Isn't this the problem in many churches today, their leadership allowing sin in them?
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This has been covered a zillion times. A trade off between freedom of expression at the danger of rancor on the one hand and tight rules but a rigid peace on the other.
 
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This thread, like many others Willie-T, is indeed deliberate..... And yes, you are correct about painting a picture purposely to turn people away from God.

And HRFTD, I believe you are also correct about the predictability of the threads as well.....

In fact, the majority of the BDF threads are purposely written, some would say, like a script. Over time, some leave, only to be replaced by others who do the exact same thing.

What is my evidence to confirm such a thing? Reruns of the same arguments? The same people participating in these arguments? What about the constant twisting of scripture?

No, none of these is needed. I want to draw your attention, dear reader, to the ONE THING that's never been covered in this forum:

THE LACK OF DISCIPLINE & ORDER.

It's true that atheist forums are far better with their threads..... because their management wouldn't let ANY poster, for or against an issue, act so disorderly in the first place. When such arguments happen on their sites, they just ban everyone who likes to start trouble, period.

People SAY you can't control a forum like you do a church..... but the opposite is true. One person makes the rules, & their moderators enforce it.

A site like this can be locked down if it's owner so desires, or turn its participants loose to do & say whatever they want.

So, my question is, no matter who is right or wrong in their doctrine, WHY is such insolent & ungodly behavior not kicked right out the door? This is a huge problem, & it's growing. Who's going to stop it?

The ONE thing most of the BDF posters AND members in other forums will agree on is this: the BDF forum is messed up from the floor up. This forum, above all others, should be the most godly, because some of the most mature christians should be in here leading others closer to God by discussing proper doctrine to them. THIS forum should be the most serious of them all, because we should be building up the brethren in their faith through the Word.

In a nutshell, dear reader, the problem isn't what's going on in here, but why it's allowed to happen. Isn't this the problem in many churches today, their leadership allowing sin in them?
I ain't whisperin now and I ain't being quiet.... This thread I started and it was not meant to turn ANYONE AWAY from God.... This thread was started because people kept arguing and although I ain't been here that long I was trying to see if folks could get along for five minutes... But folks come along and want to turn things into their own interpretation....... Which was far removed from the point this ole boy was trying to make!!!
 

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I ain't whisperin now and I ain't being quiet.... This thread I started and it was not meant to turn ANYONE AWAY from God.... This thread was started because people kept arguing and although I ain't been here that long I was trying to see if folks could get along for five minutes... But folks come along and want to turn things into their own interpretation....... Which was far removed from the point this ole boy was trying to make!!!
That's just your interpretation :p
 

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My interpretation of the reason I started this thread... Your sure right...
No, you're interpretation of people's reaction to this thread :)

But folks come along and want to turn things into their own interpretation....... Which was far removed from the point this ole boy was trying to make!!!
 
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Ok y'all.. I ain't been here long but everybody just stop. There are really some good folks in here but the way some of y'all go at each other... C'mon now.. I probably ain't nobody to be saying anything cause I just got here and I will agree I am not as learned as probably a lot of folks on this site.. But on this one thread folks gonna come in here and just stay humble.. This is we all Love God... We know what he is all about.. We know he sent his son Jesus and he's coming back.. He sent the Holy Spirit to help out cause can't none of us do it ourselves.. And we know he's coming back, but do we want him to come back to this kind of arguing? We all have our strong opinions, but in here it's only about the stuff I said and that's it. Y'all come in here and just say how much you love God and see how y'all been doing, maybe even unload a little.. There's a Marshall in here... I've got a loaded tater gun..and I AIN'T afraid to use it......

I think the real important question here is... what the heck is a "tater gun" ?
 

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Why can't we all just get along? On gray issues I agree. On point blank issues clear as the pimple on the end of your nose that are consistantly ignored for the reason that they cannot be contested, well that's another story. See my threads. I hammer away at cancerous, ecclesia destroying doctrine using plain scripture.

We are commanded not to silently over look and 'group hug' and 'kissy wissy' error but to 'expose it'. Ephesians 5:11
It is how we go about exposing it that we often fail in. Pissy is a worse way to expose it than kissy wissy! ;)
 

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I may be able to donate some ammo...have some ver y iffy 'maters here on the counter. Was going to toss them this morning. Do 'tater guns work with tomatoes?
Ok y'all.. I ain't been here long but everybody just stop. There are really some good folks in here but the way some of y'all go at each other... C'mon now.. I probably ain't nobody to be saying anything cause I just got here and I will agree I am not as learned as probably a lot of folks on this site.. But on this one thread folks gonna come in here and just stay humble.. This is we all Love God... We know what he is all about.. We know he sent his son Jesus and he's coming back.. He sent the Holy Spirit to help out cause can't none of us do it ourselves.. And we know he's coming back, but do we want him to come back to this kind of arguing? We all have our strong opinions, but in here it's only about the stuff I said and that's it. Y'all come in here and just say how much you love God and see how y'all been doing, maybe even unload a little.. There's a Marshall in here... I've got a loaded tater gun..and I AIN'T afraid to use it......
 

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Texas? I would agree with ya about this, but, as C-note said, there are plenty of "other" rooms where this is done already. I would like to think "this/these" threads are more for a deeper "cussing and discussing" as to a how, when, & where "the Church" has fallen short in its/there ability/ies to combat, let alone prevail, not to mention STAND, in the face/s of lawlessness and godlessness......ie, Apostasy........(shhh...Now you've done it....the coffee cup is empty, and this armchair preacher is needing it filled :p) MOHAMMAD!!! (grrr)
The very threads themselves show where we have fallen short.
 

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I admire your aspiration. The unfortunate thing is there is a group who believe demons are here, sharing, and they have to defend rather than just let people share. I try and follow to give people the benefit of the doubt and listen to what they are saying. It takes a lot of listening to get to know someone, but some want to blow people up at a shadow.

If you listen to cc history, this has always been the mark of issues here. Various issues crop up which are being discussed in church. As long as both sides get a chance to air their point of view, Amen. What gets bad is when people attack individuals and not the theology or argument. But these people will always do this because it makes them feel big.
There are bad spirits here. They stir up our flesh and are very satisfied when they win like this. But we know each other by our fruits. The fruits of the Spirit are unmistakable as is a lack of the fruits of the Spirit. We need to hold each other accountable for how we speak to each other. And we need to do even that in as loving a manner as possible.
 

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Txroads,

God is kind to evil people and allows them to grow up around us because removing them might damage what He wants to accomplish in your life and it might damage your view of God because some people might not understand but God is going to deal with the evil one day and they can be on His side by their choice or they can be removed by their choice.

I believe in treating people with gentleness and respect but God cares more about you than those who would not tell you the truth and therefore God says to fight:

Jude 1:3 ¶ Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Because I belong to God, believing what everyone says is not how I want to live my life because some people are wrong and they will mislead others to go to hell. Someone who is living their life the way they want to live and those who are going to hell aren't the long term friendships that will benefit anyone.

Chuck
We can earnestly contend until we are blue in the face but if we do it without love, we have done nothing worthy of our Lord.
 

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Your not in the wrong, so many times I have tried to still the waters to remind everyone that we are called to love and that all this senseless arguing is only glorifying satan not God but people don't really care they just want to argue and debate they only prove the world right in them thinking we Christians are liars hypocrites judgmental bible thumpers cold eyed finger pointers.
In all honesty I am beginning to wonder if I should just stop trying, in their pointing their fingers in their attempts to to hurt each other on these forums I am the one who is hurt the most.

Seeing all this war with each other seeing the lack of love seeing us Christians attacking mocking condemning each other makes me incredibly sad inside it actually hurts inside too. Maybe the reason why it's so sad and why it hurts so much is because of how much I care and love everyone here because deep inside I want the body of Christ to not be broken anymore because I want the love of God the warmth and peace of his spirit presence to reign and be alive in our hearts not this addiction of heated debates not this pointing fingers this holier than thou attitude I have seen so much on these forums.

Jesus knew more than anyone- Love hurts
You should never stop trying to love. Yes, it is painful to see our brothers and sisters acting this way. But if WE refuse to engage with them in the manner that they want to engage, insisting instead that we will walk in the Spirit, we will see the victory we so desire. Do we believe the Spirit is able to bring us this victory and attain for us unity?
 
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There are bad spirits here. They stir up our flesh and are very satisfied when they win like this. But we know each other by our fruits. The fruits of the Spirit are unmistakable as is a lack of the fruits of the Spirit. We need to hold each other accountable for how we speak to each other. And we need to do even that in as loving a manner as possible.
They can't really win, tho. They might seem to get little victories from time to time, but they're short-lived. Remember, Jesus has already won, and gives us the victory, and we run the race with endurance.....even when it seems like we're left in the dust, the Lord will keep leading us home. It's not a sprint, but a marathon, and sometimes a relay within a marathon.....the passing of the baton is like us lifting each other up along the way, similar to what you did for me recently, God bless you so much. It's a blessing to pass the baton back and forth with you, and our true brosters in the faith, who I've needed much lately, and by prayer and the Word, building each other up in the faith, what a joy when we cross the finish line in our own time, by God's grace, or maybe one day soon.....all together, the enemy being left behind for good and the love that never fails will be the crowning glory.....because Jesus already conquered sin, the enemy, and death. Hallelujah!
 

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Very well said. And the make nice ploy is a tactic to deflect legitimate criticism that exposes liars and their lies. When bankrupt or the light is shining too brightly in that dark corner, attack the messenger. There are veritable Satanic creeps out there who are trying to tell all Christendom that intoleration of anything isn't Christ-like, while they lie out of both sides of their smiley mouths, strewing flowers on the path to damnation. They "love" everybody alright, straight into hell.
You cannot love anyone into hell.