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coby

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Here's 2 people who know how to debate. One is a preterist and one a pro Israel futurist. They both stay friendly.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H1fP1xB1gsM
As soon as you get mad and call the other names and accuse them, even if you have the right doctrin, people won't listen to you.
 
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Nothing wrong with that. I once had one guy on Facebook who deliberately joined to tell everyone they had false teaching. Then a woman was sick and asked prayer and I prayed for her and he got furious, she too, attacked me, I followed false teachings. Just said: oh I thought you were also part of this group that evangelizes and prays for people. Terribly sorry. Won't ever do it again and unfriended him. Problem solved.
Jesus ignored accusing people when He wrote in the sand.
And said person put me on ignore after I told him to do so because his ad hominem accusations were getting out of hand and creating problems. It's wonderful now.
 
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Here's 2 people who know how to debate. One is a preterist and one a pro Israel futurist. They both stay friendly.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H1fP1xB1gsM
As soon as you get mad and call the other names and accuse them, even if you have the right doctrin, people won't listen to you.
One problem on this forum is the hyper-grace group just refuse to discuss their theology or even admit what it is.
A lot of the exchanges I have been told I am lying and have not understood at all. The problem is in their mind I am a Pharisee so automatically see a lie when I just declare something from my life. When you have people who project this badly and accuse one of being evil, with a demon, discussion has just left the arena.

A number of them believe they are on a mission to do spiritual warfare and regard certain statements of faith as evil.
I wonder if they can accept part of being a Christian is discussion and defining how you view love, righteousness, and God.
Some are so challenged if you talk about emotions and reactions to things in life, it is human philosophy and evil.

With this limited vocabulary it becomes hard to talk about being honest before the Lord, or walking in truth.
Now if I am a liar, I am holding to an odd aim.
 

Stunnedbygrace

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One problem on this forum is the hyper-grace group just refuse to discuss their theology or even admit what it is.
A lot of the exchanges I have been told I am lying and have not understood at all. The problem is in their mind I am a Pharisee so automatically see a lie when I just declare something from my life. When you have people who project this badly and accuse one of being evil, with a demon, discussion has just left the arena.

A number of them believe they are on a mission to do spiritual warfare and regard certain statements of faith as evil.
I wonder if they can accept part of being a Christian is discussion and defining how you view love, righteousness, and God.
Some are so challenged if you talk about emotions and reactions to things in life, it is human philosophy and evil.

With this limited vocabulary it becomes hard to talk about being honest before the Lord, or walking in truth.
Now if I am a liar, I am holding to an odd aim.
Well then, you just make sure YOU don't revile back. If YOU keep walking in the Spirit, unity will come. :)
 

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That's the word I've been looking for. I've been ad hominemed to death on this site and I lived to tell about it. Smile. Thanks 'Herosefromthedead'.
 
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Well then, you just make sure YOU don't revile back. If YOU keep walking in the Spirit, unity will come. :)
I would love to believe in this idea of unity. There is no guarantee of unity with people who are preaching a different gospel.
Revile back? I am not sure what you mean by this. I have no personal feelings towards these people, I am just puzzeled by their desire to see evil where there is none.

I will oppose those who falsely accuse and lie about what there fellow "Christians" are saying and doing, because they are bringing the name of the Lord into disriput
 

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And why do you think that is? Could it be that so very many of you "good Christians" don't act anything like the man you claim to love, and your behavior puts serious doubts into the minds of people like me who have had lifelong questions about God, but have found the biggest barrier to their faith to be the "believers" that are so radical in their methodology of evangelizing that were any of them to knock on my door to deliver the "good news", they'd be met with the business end of my Remington 870 and told to vacate immediately from my premises.

I'd dearly love to sit down and talk to a real Christian. I'm still waiting to meet one.
You should seek Christ directly rather than seeking Him through imperfect Christians.
 

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One problem on this forum is the hyper-grace group just refuse to discuss their theology or even admit what it is.
A lot of the exchanges I have been told I am lying and have not understood at all. The problem is in their mind I am a Pharisee so automatically see a lie when I just declare something from my life. When you have people who project this badly and accuse one of being evil, with a demon, discussion has just left the arena.

A number of them believe they are on a mission to do spiritual warfare and regard certain statements of faith as evil.
I wonder if they can accept part of being a Christian is discussion and defining how you view love, righteousness, and God.
Some are so challenged if you talk about emotions and reactions to things in life, it is human philosophy and evil.

With this limited vocabulary it becomes hard to talk about being honest before the Lord, or walking in truth.
Now if I am a liar, I am holding to an odd aim.
Rather than tell everyone why someone is wrong, show them why you are correct.
 

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Well then, you just make sure YOU don't revile back. If YOU keep walking in the Spirit, unity will come. :)
I just arrived on a banana boat on this. But let me say this. An individual walking in the Spirit will NOT bring unity. It will bring division if others in question are not 'walking in the Spirit' also.
Jesus said He did not come to bring unity but division. Another place He said let there be no divisions among you. Boils down to Some go on to maturity. Some don't. There's not a lot of unity and fellowship between the ones pressing in and those that don't and won't.

Those that are playing 'church' and those that are the 'church'. Those that go with the flow and those that swim against the flow.
Those that desire to serve and those that want to be served. Those that carry a bible and those that study the bible.
Those that have itching ears and those that have ears to hear. Those that go with heresy, and those that expose heresy.
Ill stop.
Thats why Jesus said 'where two or three gathered in My Name, I'll be in their midst.' In His authority and truth and power. Good luck getting as many as two or three. That many gathered together His way would be novel. That's a crowd indeed.

I talked to to an older brother recently. Shared with him the true take on Hebrews 13:17, how it has been wrested to the hurt of the folks. He's been a Christian for 50 years. He had no clue. Carries a bible but studies it not. Pulpit feed only. Is there any unity between him and me? Nope, nada, uh uh, zero. Light years apart. I dont like it but it is what it is! A great gulf fixed. No I am not perfect. Just surrendered completely.
 
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Yes you may! Here is an example!
Sydlit, I do not understand why you wear pants on your head. I don't think it's very freeing and I worry about your being able to breathe and see more light. While I don't agree with it, I clearly see fruit in you in your patience and love when you are reviled or cursed or accused. And i see such humbleness in you also, another fruit. And i see these fruits in an overall consistency. These fruits of the Spirit are unmistakable, and by them, I know you are my brother. I have never seen you attack or be spiteful in any way.
To loosely quote Bugs Bunny: Her don't know me vewwy well, do she?!

GBU, Sbg, but I've had many a moment of shame here,
railing back at those who've railed at me,
instead of recognizing the source and responding
the way Jesus would. There are times where I felt
I was justified, it got to where I needed to document
and record some things, if for no other reason,
just to prove to myself I wasn't crazy.
(Yeah, good luck with THAT).

And if you knew of some the things said, gossip,
things said in pm or by ppl jumping threads,
bringing in others to gang up or bully,
combined with rejection and ignoring
I've had to go through here, it would make your head spin.

Not to mention the Flat Out Lies, not misunderstandings,
which there's been plenty of them, too, but complete lies
told about me, well, there's so much I could take
before I dish it back, I guess. Even though I expressed
over and over that anyone should please feel free to pm me
in order to have a dialogue to reason together,
pray with each other, do things as Jesus would have us.
That's almost Never happened, which speaks volumes to me,
the ppl just ignore you or continue with their tactics.

And when you feel it's coming at you from diff angles,
the lashing back, when it happens, can seem extreme
and uncalled for by others looking in, and then they
tend to get involved just to make peace, but by then,
things have heated up, and being told to calm down
by a neutral party just feels like more ganging up.

Now, we all make mistakes, and there's some truth to the saying,
'Hurt people hurt people'. And there are a lot of hurt,
hurting, and hurtful ppl here. That's one reason we need,
and thank God HAVE, a Saviour. Thank you Jesus!

But that's no excuse for some of my behavior.

Though I don't just go about to attack or be spiteful,
(thank you for saying that about me,
bc I've been accused of that, and it feels good to hear
someone say that I'm not that way,
sincerely, Thank You, Savedbygrace,
you don't know how much it means to hear you say that)
no, I don't make plans to attack, or have some hidden
agenda, but I've engaged at times with some rather
unkind tit-for-tat (can you say that here? Tat. Yeah, I guess so)
you know, just back and forth that I'm sure made our Lord
cringe and did more harm than good for the body of Christ,
let alone a non-believer who may be looking in.

I also need to remember that even after things may settle,
those things may be picked up and read by others in the future,
and perhaps be turned off from Jesus as a result,
and that's the biggest shame on me.

But I can only try to grow in grace,
much of this is pretty new to me,
b4 I came here 7 months ago,
I was really really lost and hurting,
and had no friends, fellowship,
or any relationship with God to speak of.

And there's been a lot of disappointment,
disillusionment, and pain since joining.
My fault for being naive and expecting more
out of ppl than is realistic, the fact that we're ALL
sinners saved by grace and at various stages of growth
escapes me sometimes.

I'm in an ongoing situation right now that has
yet to be resolved as christians,
and my heart is so heavy from it, it's tearing me apart,
and time passing is making it worse.
I've had to move on, but not from the person,
I've never had a desire to do that,
perhaps move on is a poor choice of words...
just had to keep moving, but still hoping love wins out,

The point is, we all come up short at times,
and I often am guilty of that in the
personal interactions department,
God's got ALOT of work to do in and through me,
I just don't have the ppl skills or the experience
that most ppl have, and it shows up here alot.

I apologize for this long post, I just wanted to thank
Stunnedbygrace for the kind words but also let her know
I've got a long way to go to live up to them on a consistent basis.
I've made many mistakes, I'll make more,
but hopefully less and less as time goes on,
and I thank the Lord for His long-suffering towards me.
Jesus is a great God and Saviour,
and I pray Everyone here is saved and keeps in the love of God,
and lets that love grow even in the midst of contending for the faith.
As one who has many 'down' times,
I DO like to kid around, sometimes it's
a way to thwart pain, most times it's just intended
to bring a smile to someone that maybe
hasn't had one in a while, ... laughter
doeth good like a medicine, right?
But that sometimes gets taken the wrong way.
I apologize that it's misplaced, sometimes,
and just for maybe not knowing
how to communicate more clearly,
for that I'm sorry and hope to improve.

Oh, And I wear pants on my head for the
same reason all us gals do...Fashion silly!

(And it's VERY freeing, and btw,
you breathe through the buttonhole ;))
 
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Txroads

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I may be able to donate some ammo...have some ver y iffy 'maters here on the counter. Was going to toss them this morning. Do 'tater guns work with tomatoes?
Anything is possible...... Hehehe
 
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Txroads

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These kinds of posts pop up every so often. No one ever stops. And half the time the thread itself spawns arguments. This is how the people in the BDF are. It's not going to change because of a post.
Ain't gonna stop tryin.... Like I said.... I ain't the most learned fella in here..... And I've always felt Gods message was meant to be simple... One word... Unconditional... How to find him.... Jesus.... Do right..... But then again... Nope I ain't gonna say it... But sayin only the things to lift your brother up... Well.......ok...
 
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Txroads!!!! where are you? I can't find you! I came out, where did you go? Help their throwing rocks at each other. Forget that---- Scotty beam me up real quick!! View attachment 144040
I'm over here.... I went looking for.... I just never thought of looking up?!!... So we went like.... Up there?
 
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Txroads

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Are you sure you're from Texas? Don't be insulted but you sound like some of my family. And they're from Virginia. I think it's the tater gun that messed me up on the accent. Do real Texans use tater guns? Taters just ain't big nuff for Texas, are they?
Naw they aint.... But we got to be considerate of other folks.... Heheh
 

Stunnedbygrace

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I would love to believe in this idea of unity. There is no guarantee of unity with people who are preaching a different gospel.
Revile back? I am not sure what you mean by this. I have no personal feelings towards these people, I am just puzzeled by their desire to see evil where there is none.

I will oppose those who falsely accuse and lie about what there fellow "Christians" are saying and doing, because they are bringing the name of the Lord into disriput
By reviling, I mean, for example, a few days ago when you said "you are just brain dead and you have way more problems than a Christian website can help you with."


I don't want to bring up the hateful things you were saying because you stopped doing it, but you want an example of reviling, and this was the one I recalled most easily.


Now you can say you felt no personal feelings while saying something so unlovely to someone, but it is quite clear you did. And you actually should have personal feelings toward them because you should love them.
 

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Not if they are still following Chuck's example.
That's their big claim... "Verse-by-verse."
At least they cover the bible and not go off following other spirits.
 
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I've got two study bibles and two regular bibles (one hardcover the other a leather soft cover). I read every night for an hour maybe more. I check the cross-references and track passages back and forth. I've got concordance. What I don't have, is a church with a preacher that teaches it.
There in lies the problem with me too. More and more churches are swaying towards politically correct, let us not offend anyone and the congregation will grown attitude
 
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At least they cover the bible and not go off following other spirits.
If your intent is only to attack others, then how about shutting up? I was explaining to the OP how the Calvary Chapel looks at doing their sermons. Some people prefer that style.
 
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Be tellin' ya' whut, anybody wit loaded gun 'o unprocessored curly fries got me ta' sayin', "Mercy! Feet don't fail me now!"
That's alright... I'm a purty good shot when I wanna hit what I wanna hit....your alright.. I'll just aim for the deep fryer..
 
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