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It is sad that they did shut down..as many were helped...here is an article where they had to get rid of a guy for starting to continue his lifestyle again as you have mentioned....they took him out of his office there in the ministry..
This one guy was on with Focus on the Family ministry too..so the ministry evicted him from any position once he was started to engage in his old ways...
[h=3]John Paulk[/h]John Paulk was removed from his position as Chairman of Exodus International by a Board of Directors vote on October 3, 2000, following confirmation of his "engaging in behavior which has negatively impacted the credibility of Exodus."
Paulk, a self-described former "drag queen and homosexual prostitute", became active in Focus on the Family, was manager of Focus on the Family's Homosexuality and Gender Division, and was the elected Chairman of the board of Exodus International North America in August 1995 for a first three-year term. Paulk was re-elected for a second three-year term in 1998
This one guy was on with Focus on the Family ministry too..so the ministry evicted him from any position once he was started to engage in his old ways...
[h=3]John Paulk[/h]John Paulk was removed from his position as Chairman of Exodus International by a Board of Directors vote on October 3, 2000, following confirmation of his "engaging in behavior which has negatively impacted the credibility of Exodus."
Paulk, a self-described former "drag queen and homosexual prostitute", became active in Focus on the Family, was manager of Focus on the Family's Homosexuality and Gender Division, and was the elected Chairman of the board of Exodus International North America in August 1995 for a first three-year term. Paulk was re-elected for a second three-year term in 1998
K
The answer is no, God does not support it so neither should we !!!
Supporting a sin makes one just as guilty as the one doing the sin, to say different would be to deny what is clearly stated in the Word of God.
A good example of this would be Apostle Paul when he was instructed Apostle Timothy, he told Timothy be careful on who he placed in leadership in the Church for if that person was sinful that he appointed then Timothy also would be guilty !!!
Alan Chambers who was a leader in Exodus did and still does support gay marriage !!!
Supporting a sin makes one just as guilty as the one doing the sin, to say different would be to deny what is clearly stated in the Word of God.
A good example of this would be Apostle Paul when he was instructed Apostle Timothy, he told Timothy be careful on who he placed in leadership in the Church for if that person was sinful that he appointed then Timothy also would be guilty !!!
Alan Chambers who was a leader in Exodus did and still does support gay marriage !!!
We are all sinners, Inmates waiting upon the decision of the Judge. But among the inmates, they look upon each other as if their offense is less offensive to the Judge, but the others are not, but they doesn't know that the Judge see all offenses are no greater than the other because He never had committed an offense in His life. But the one that see that his offense is greater, then he might be the one that the Judge granted clemency to.
Actually, homosexuality does exist in the animal kingdom. I saw a documentary about mammals on the discovery channel engaging in homsexual activity. YouTube has many videos of male chimps and orangutans pleasuring other males in the group. Some species do not even require another partner to reproduce, they are called parthenogenesis. The most common examples are Mary and jellyfish.
No guy wakes up and says, "Hey, I think I'd like to foricate with another dude today!" If you're into girls, than try having desires for the opposite sex. You can't (unless you've been drinking). That's like telling a gay guy "Hey just stap out of it. Try having desires for the opposite sex." It's genetic trust me. But to answer your question, yes. Most pedophiles are most likely born perverts. Some have been molested themselves or experienced some form of sexual or emotional trauma, but for many it like a brain disease. That's why they are finally realizing they can't release them from prison because they just keep going back to molesting kids again so they have to track them with registered sex offender databases. Look at people like Jeffrey Dalher or Ted Bundy. Even though they did stuff when they were kids like torture animals, they admit themselves they had normal childhoods from decent families. Dalmer himself even said in an interview he doesn't know why he has homsexual devient tendecies but wanted his brain examined when he died. But homosexuality and pedophiles are not the same thing. Years ago homoeroctism used to be considered a mental illness by psychiatrists, it is no longer. Most gay people do not molest children. There are many straight pedophiles too.
B
I have only just replied to the thread That's it... EVERYBODY STOP!!
This subject is confrontational, and the question I feel is not worth the answer. We are, are we not believers in Christ? Do we not believe He died for our sins and rose again so we can have a relationship with the Father as it always should have been, and that His grace and righteousness keeps us safe and approves our place in the Kingdom to come?
We know that these other subjects are not at the table we all meet at to partake of the Love feast our Lord commanded us to keep.
If we come across them (subjects like homosexuality) and Jesus is mentioned as if he were condoning these acts then we know Jesus isn't there, the Holy Spirit does not rule in that environment and that calls for the big guns to come out, prayer. Prayer of the Spirit, fervent prayer, the sort that demolishes strongholds, that combined with love is how we meet these crisis not confrontation. The only thing Jesus was confrontational about was within the remit of "Zeal for my fathers house consumes me", It is His house, His church, He will deal with these people and doesn't need our help confronting them He wants our help to love them, show a better way and be a guide to what the Holy Spirit can do, be a guide for them to receive the Holy Spirit in the state they are, even as a homosexual, because if the Holy Spirit has ever worked in you , then you know the Holy Spirit will not leave them as they are, love the person, forget the sin that is what Jesus will sort out it is his church.
As for people outside the church, they are all dying in sin and what they do is of no consequence because they all need Jesus, they need to hear the gospel, the good news that God has made a way for us to be intimate with Him on an individual and personal level. They don,t kneed to know what they have to give up to get there, how can a dead person jump a hurdle? the hurdles come with life and even them it is not our right to put them there, we are told to love, love them to death. Jesus died for us while we were yet sinners did He not? He took a massive gamble on us accepting his sacrifice for a covering for our sins. The Holy Spirit gets to work within us and completes the process of unification with the Father if we let Him, That is His job, not ours. Lets let him do it and we do as we are told, love your neighbour.
This subject is confrontational, and the question I feel is not worth the answer. We are, are we not believers in Christ? Do we not believe He died for our sins and rose again so we can have a relationship with the Father as it always should have been, and that His grace and righteousness keeps us safe and approves our place in the Kingdom to come?
We know that these other subjects are not at the table we all meet at to partake of the Love feast our Lord commanded us to keep.
If we come across them (subjects like homosexuality) and Jesus is mentioned as if he were condoning these acts then we know Jesus isn't there, the Holy Spirit does not rule in that environment and that calls for the big guns to come out, prayer. Prayer of the Spirit, fervent prayer, the sort that demolishes strongholds, that combined with love is how we meet these crisis not confrontation. The only thing Jesus was confrontational about was within the remit of "Zeal for my fathers house consumes me", It is His house, His church, He will deal with these people and doesn't need our help confronting them He wants our help to love them, show a better way and be a guide to what the Holy Spirit can do, be a guide for them to receive the Holy Spirit in the state they are, even as a homosexual, because if the Holy Spirit has ever worked in you , then you know the Holy Spirit will not leave them as they are, love the person, forget the sin that is what Jesus will sort out it is his church.
As for people outside the church, they are all dying in sin and what they do is of no consequence because they all need Jesus, they need to hear the gospel, the good news that God has made a way for us to be intimate with Him on an individual and personal level. They don,t kneed to know what they have to give up to get there, how can a dead person jump a hurdle? the hurdles come with life and even them it is not our right to put them there, we are told to love, love them to death. Jesus died for us while we were yet sinners did He not? He took a massive gamble on us accepting his sacrifice for a covering for our sins. The Holy Spirit gets to work within us and completes the process of unification with the Father if we let Him, That is His job, not ours. Lets let him do it and we do as we are told, love your neighbour.
J
is there a video of 2 male animals, in the natural world that have sex with other males and only other males and lived the rest of their lives only having sex with other animals of their own sex? or vice versa with females.
i think all of us have seen (2 males)1 dog hump another dog, this dont mean the 2 are gay because the 2 dogs both go back to their own kind.
i spent most my life outdoors hunting and fishing, grew up farming, my family is native american, many generations of hunting, fishing and farming. and after saying all that i find it a bit odd that not me nor my family nor my outdoor friends have ever seen gay animals in the natural world when according to you it exist.
use a bit of common sense and think about the reproductive parts, they only go with the opposite sex. think about it
i think all of us have seen (2 males)1 dog hump another dog, this dont mean the 2 are gay because the 2 dogs both go back to their own kind.
i spent most my life outdoors hunting and fishing, grew up farming, my family is native american, many generations of hunting, fishing and farming. and after saying all that i find it a bit odd that not me nor my family nor my outdoor friends have ever seen gay animals in the natural world when according to you it exist.
use a bit of common sense and think about the reproductive parts, they only go with the opposite sex. think about it
I think this was not about American Freedom, but it was a question of : " Can a Mature Christian Be Pro-gay Marriage".
yes or no?
And the question had nothiing do with Stoping or mission to stop Gay Marriage but are we as Christian " Mature ones " to support it? example:
Can a mature Christian who is Pastor Support gay Marriage in providing the marriage ceremony?
And if a mature Christian agree with or not with supporting gay - Marriage it doesn't Change Gods stands on the Topic.
So I would think a Mature Christian would be pro Bible and Pro-God Plan for marriage. Freedom has nothing to do with Obeying God unless you use your freedom to not obey His Word on the topic . Gal 5 :1
yes or no?
And the question had nothiing do with Stoping or mission to stop Gay Marriage but are we as Christian " Mature ones " to support it? example:
Can a mature Christian who is Pastor Support gay Marriage in providing the marriage ceremony?
And if a mature Christian agree with or not with supporting gay - Marriage it doesn't Change Gods stands on the Topic.
So I would think a Mature Christian would be pro Bible and Pro-God Plan for marriage. Freedom has nothing to do with Obeying God unless you use your freedom to not obey His Word on the topic . Gal 5 :1
J
this is a quote from Simon LeVay, a neuroscientist who held key positions at Universitys of Cambridge, Göttingen, and Harvard Medical School. he is also openly gay. this quote is from research he did looking for homosexual behavior in the natural world.
"Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity (emphasis added)."
homosexual behavior and being a homosexual are 2 different things. guys grab other guys butts at work all the time but it dont mean they want to go home with each other ot get married, its just guys being dumb immature guys.
"Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity (emphasis added)."
homosexual behavior and being a homosexual are 2 different things. guys grab other guys butts at work all the time but it dont mean they want to go home with each other ot get married, its just guys being dumb immature guys.
"homosexual behavior and being a homosexual are 2 different things. guys grab other guys butts at work all the time but it dont mean they want to go home with each other ot get married, its just guys being dumb immature guys."
Are you serious? If another man grabbed my butt at work I'd put him in his place quick. You must work for George Michael cause I've never heard of guys grabbing each others butts at their jobs.
Are you serious? If another man grabbed my butt at work I'd put him in his place quick. You must work for George Michael cause I've never heard of guys grabbing each others butts at their jobs.
K
I read your post three times so I could understand what you're saying. If I still misunderstand, help me to understand better.
Are you saying homosexuality doesn't occur in nature because the animals don't have a "long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior" with the same gendered animal?
Don't homosexuals engage in "homosexual behavior"? I would find it difficult to believe one man engaging in anal sex with another man does so while not really a "homosexual". Unless, he was raped, but then that would be an entirely new topic.
If animals engaged in homosexual desires, wouldn't it be irrelevant if they exclusively engage in sexual activity with animals of the opposite sex down the road? The fact is, they do have sex with animals of the same sex.
Are you saying homosexuality doesn't occur in nature because the animals don't have a "long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior" with the same gendered animal?
Don't homosexuals engage in "homosexual behavior"? I would find it difficult to believe one man engaging in anal sex with another man does so while not really a "homosexual". Unless, he was raped, but then that would be an entirely new topic.
If animals engaged in homosexual desires, wouldn't it be irrelevant if they exclusively engage in sexual activity with animals of the opposite sex down the road? The fact is, they do have sex with animals of the same sex.