Calvinism vs. Arminianism: Good article

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Read the Bible, believe the Bible. Don't assert your opinions into Scripture. God said he was going to destroy Nineveh. God didn't destroy Nineveh. Do you believe God lied?

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LOL so you don't think God knew that they would repent.? What a God! Ignorant of a basic fact. and this the God Who knows the end from the beginning? Hmm. You are pathetic
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Absolutely, What a God! God works in and through all of our decisions. What a God! Millions of people he is working through to bring Himself glory...What a God indeed!

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LOL so you don't think God knew that they would repent.? What a God! Ignorant of a basic fact. and this the God Who knows the end from the beginning? Hmm. You are pathetic
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John146 said:
Read the Bible, believe the Bible. Don't assert your opinions into Scripture. God said he was going to destroy Nineveh. God didn't destroy Nineveh. Do you believe God lied?
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God stated that he would destroy Nineveh if they didn't repent. So, that was His intention if they didnt repent,

but God knew that they would repent. And Jonah knew it too (4.1-20).

So your God changes His mind constantly,? you are welcome to a god like that.
 
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John146 said:
Absolutely, What a God! God works in and through all of our decisions. What a God! Millions of people he is working through to bring Himself glory...What a God indeed!
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no if God is working it rules out free will. If God is dependent on what we decide, then what a weak god he is.

I wont even argue with you, You are PATHETIC,
 
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John146 said:
Read the Bible, believe the Bible. Don't assert your opinions into Scripture. God said he was going to destroy Nineveh. God didn't destroy Nineveh. Do you believe God lied?
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So, you are asserting that we can't believe the Word of God because He might change His Mind?

Depending on what we do or don't do?

That's pretty shaky ground.
 
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God didn't say if they repent. Don't add to the word of God, that's dangerous.

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God stated that he would destroy Nineveh if they didn't repent. So, that was His intention if they didnt repent,

but God knew that they would repent. And Jonah knew it too (4.1-20).

So your God changes His mind constantly,? you are welcome to a god like that.
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What God has said can be trusted. There are things, however, that God can and has changed His mind on. I once was a child of wrath, but because I believed the gospel, God's wrath is no longer upon me. God changed His mind about me since I received His son. Simple, not shaky.

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So, you are asserting that we can't believe the Word of God because He might change His Mind?

Depending on what we do or don't do?

That's pretty shaky ground.
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You're argument is with the word of God. It goes against your Calvinist views. Go with God's word and leave Calvin behind. God's word said he should be accursed anyway.

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no if God is working it rules out free will. If God is dependent on what we decide, then what a weak god he is.

I wont even argue with you, You are PATHETIC,
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Why pray? Do you not think God could cause something to happen if we would pray?

Grandpa said:
So, you are asserting that we can't believe the Word of God because He might change His Mind?

Depending on what we do or don't do?

That's pretty shaky ground.
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John146 said:
What God has said can be trusted. There are things, however, that God can and has changed His mind on. I once was a child of wrath, but because I believed the gospel, God's wrath is no longer upon me. God changed His mind about me since I received His son. Simple, not shaky.
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What is causing Him to not change His Mind back?
 
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So when you pray for a sick family member, you are praying to change you? I pray that my family member would be healed, that God would change the circumstances of their sickness. Does prayer bring us closer to God? Sure can.

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Praying is to change me, not God.
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Things God has declared in Scripture to be so concerning his long term plans in the end. There are things in Scripture that God said He would not repent. However, personal responses to the word of God can change His mind about us, our eternal future.


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What is causing Him to not change His Mind back?
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Well we read it, and learn its lessons and learn more about God who is immutable. It's one of the standard questions that shows a misunderstanding of what scripture is saying. Anyhow, kinda tired here tonight. Heres a very short read that will clear that up for you. Just click here
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Wait a minute !!!

He posed that question to Calvinist's, and unless you are being deceptive you claimed before that you didn't know what OSAS was ???

A Calvinist would know what that means as it is Calvin's doctrine, so if you were being deceptive which is not a trait/fruit of the Holy Spirit I am suspect about you now !!!

Sorry but this is why we are to be careful and test every thing, because things like this would have been overlooked by some if not paying attention.
 
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Here's another good article regarding this Moral Government Theology heresy which is popular amongst some today:

The False God and Gospel of Moral Government Theology - Christian Research Institute

Notice that the attempt of these sorts of people (Calvinist haters) is to reduce God to the level of a man in terms of his omniscience and omnipotence. The theology of those who hate Calvinism invariably seeks to reduce God to the level of a man..it is a very anthropomorphic (man-centered) view of salvation versus a theocentric (God-centered) view of salvation. Man's will trumps God's will in their twisted theology.

In the Moral Government Theology view, God could even change his mind about man's salvation and just wipe mankind off the face of the earth. They may contest that view, but if God has the power of contrary choice, he can act out of accordance with his nature and decide to do that..in fact in their view, God could even become the equivalent of Satan.

Power of contrary choice means that mankind, and God, can make decisions that are contrary to their nature. It is essentially a Pelagian view, which was long declared a heresy by the Church.
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I'm starting to get the picture. Calvinists don't think that man has free will because they believe that GOD doesn't have free will. Wow!
 
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I'm starting to get the picture. Calvinists don't think that man has free will because they believe that GOD doesn't have free will. Wow!
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God created the angels to, yet some of them choose to leave heaven to come to earth, and yet even some others choose to follow after satan !!!

Satan himself was made by God, as he was a guardian cherub angel.

His pride and arrogance lead to his fall.........

His nature in which he was made was as a angel to serve God, but he rebelled against God.

How, why ??? Because he was given the freedom to choose, just like every single one of us !!!
 
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KennethC said:
God created the angels to, yet some of them choose to leave heaven to come to earth, and yet even some others choose to follow after satan !!!
Satan himself was made by God, as he was a guardian cherub angel.
His pride and arrogance lead to his fall.........
His nature in which he was made was as a angel to serve God, but he rebelled against God.
How, why ??? Because he was given the freedom to choose, just like every single one of us !!!
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I think this is getting to the heart of the Calvinist position: that free will is ruled by nature, and therefore, free will is just an illusion and doesn't exist.
 
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I think this is getting to the heart of the Calvinist position: that free will is ruled by nature, and therefore, free will is just an illusion and doesn't exist.
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Yes I know and satan is a clear example that nature does not dictate actions, if that were so then satan could have never rebelled and would still to this day be a serving cherub angel to God !!!
 
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KennethC said:
God created the angels to, yet some of them choose to leave heaven to come to earth, and yet even some others choose to follow after satan !!!

Satan himself was made by God, as he was a guardian cherub angel.

His pride and arrogance lead to his fall.........

His nature in which he was made was as a angel to serve God, but he rebelled against God.

How, why ??? Because he was given the freedom to choose, just like every single one of us !!!
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Freedom to choose???

How do you make a choice when there is a veil over your mind?


The veil coming off is a miracle not performed by our choices. If it was because of our choices then we could boast about how awesome and wise we are. Right? We made all the perfect choices to cause God to change His Mind and save us.

We are pretty awesome. Especially me. lol
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
I think this is getting to the heart of the Calvinist position: that free will is ruled by nature, and therefore, free will is just an illusion and doesn't exist.
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You have all the free will you need to commit any sin you can dream up.

You don't have any free will to do anything Good. Everything Good comes from God. Anything Good you do is because you submitted your will to His.
 
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