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Let's say the US outlaws adultery, homosexuality, fornication and gives adulterers, homosexuals, and fornicators an automatic death sentence starting now.
Would you still believe God ordains the US government to end life as it sees fit? You wouldn't have any sort of issue in this hypothetical scenario because Romans 13 says the government doesn't wield the sword in vain and it's function is to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil?
Would you still believe God ordains the US government to end life as it sees fit? You wouldn't have any sort of issue in this hypothetical scenario because Romans 13 says the government doesn't wield the sword in vain and it's function is to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil?
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This thread is about capital punishment. If you want to talk about "abortion mills", "girls raped and sold into slavery", "Christians being beheaded", then go make a thread about it and stop trying to derail the discussion entirely on those subjects. There are some overlapping in discussion with those topics, but you want to completely change the entire thread discussion to accommodate entirely separate issues that deserve their own thread.
It is not a matter of putting one to death for their sins, it's matter of putting one to death for breaking the law. We, as mere humans, cannot forgive sin. (We can forgive people who sin against us, but that's a completely different topic.)
If the law provides for capital punishment, and the convicted murderer chose to commit that heinous crime, he/she knew the consequence of their action. Yet, he/she chose to commit that murder and therefore chose to be executed.
If the law provides for capital punishment, and the convicted murderer chose to commit that heinous crime, he/she knew the consequence of their action. Yet, he/she chose to commit that murder and therefore chose to be executed.
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Have you committed adultery, worked on the Sabbath, stole something, idolized something, and so on ???
God's law given through Moses in the written ordinances carried curses that you should be put to death for breaking those laws.
Galatians 3:13 says by Christ we have been redeemed from having to face those curses.
In John 8:1-11 they brought this woman to Christ to see if He would go against the law, but Jesus instead of going against the law told them "he who is without sin cast the first stone."
By the law one caught in adultery was to be stoned to death, but Jesus showed that no person had the right to make this call on her life because all are guilty of sin !!!
If you believe in the death penalty you are still casting stones at one for their crime(sin) when you are guilty as well !!!
That is called being a hypocrite..........Sorry but that is what Jesus said and showed !!!
Also Jesus said "NO" to the ordinance of an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, etc.........In other words we are not to repay the person back in the same manner in which they did any more !!!
God's law given through Moses in the written ordinances carried curses that you should be put to death for breaking those laws.
Galatians 3:13 says by Christ we have been redeemed from having to face those curses.
In John 8:1-11 they brought this woman to Christ to see if He would go against the law, but Jesus instead of going against the law told them "he who is without sin cast the first stone."
By the law one caught in adultery was to be stoned to death, but Jesus showed that no person had the right to make this call on her life because all are guilty of sin !!!
If you believe in the death penalty you are still casting stones at one for their crime(sin) when you are guilty as well !!!
That is called being a hypocrite..........Sorry but that is what Jesus said and showed !!!
Also Jesus said "NO" to the ordinance of an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, etc.........In other words we are not to repay the person back in the same manner in which they did any more !!!
Killers and rapists BELONG in prison for the crimes they've done. That being said, they should at least get life in prison, though not necessarily the death penalty. Unfortunately you nor I nor anyone else, gets to decide who gets the DP and who doesn't. Besides, most killers and rapists are NOT sorry for their crimes, nor do they repent them.. jmo
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I agree with some of what you said here, but does them not being sorry or not repent have any basis on how we are told to still act by the Lord ???
It shouldn't as how another acts should never influence or draw you away from how you are to be in Christ !!!
The governments and authorities can carry out whatever laws they want, does that mean we have to support or endorse them ??? No !!!
If that was the case when the beast/man of sin comes in the picture (if there is no pre-trib rapture) then those who defend the laws now I fear and am sadden for them that they would follow the AC's system.
I fear that because Revelation clearly shows those believers that turn to follow him will not have eternal life !!!
It shouldn't as how another acts should never influence or draw you away from how you are to be in Christ !!!
The governments and authorities can carry out whatever laws they want, does that mean we have to support or endorse them ??? No !!!
If that was the case when the beast/man of sin comes in the picture (if there is no pre-trib rapture) then those who defend the laws now I fear and am sadden for them that they would follow the AC's system.
I fear that because Revelation clearly shows those believers that turn to follow him will not have eternal life !!!
You are confusing the State executing criminals for the Church executing them. We are to respect and obey our government. That doesn't mean that you agree with everything they do. Look at legalized abortion.
If the state decides there are certain crimes that demand the death penalty, then that is the state's choice, not mine.
And, unborn children have committed no crime, so they cannot/should not be sentenced to death. I will fight against that, just as I would fight against a "death penalty for parking violations" or whatever other hypothetical situation you can dream up.
Death penalty for violent criminals, such as murderers and rapists? I don't have a problem with that.
If you are saying Jesus was against capital punishment, why did he not miraculously take the two thieves down from the cross and set them free? They were receiving their just punishment under the Roman law.
If the state decides there are certain crimes that demand the death penalty, then that is the state's choice, not mine.
And, unborn children have committed no crime, so they cannot/should not be sentenced to death. I will fight against that, just as I would fight against a "death penalty for parking violations" or whatever other hypothetical situation you can dream up.
Death penalty for violent criminals, such as murderers and rapists? I don't have a problem with that.
If you are saying Jesus was against capital punishment, why did he not miraculously take the two thieves down from the cross and set them free? They were receiving their just punishment under the Roman law.