Healing: A Question to Ponder

[Grace777x70]

I have read her book and listened to her more then a few times in the past and I love her heart. God does wonderful things with people in all situations in life. He is always getting caught in the act of being Himself in every circumstance in life.

But I have to disagree when we let our experiences dictate what we believe over the clear word of God. Why it all doesn't manifest is a question for the Lord. If I was attacked by a severe disease I would continue to say what God says about me and what Jesus did for me even to the day I died. If I wasn't healed...this would not make the truth of what Jesus has done not true.

Love your fierceness in protecting the hurting ones...it's godly! Bless you!

Actually, I disagree again. True, we're not being punished by being unhealthy. BUT, sometimes we're unhealthy because God does have something to teach us. Same lesson he wants to teach the healthy, but some of us need the extra tutor. Remember all we need comes from God, so seek him day by day, moment by moment. Too many spend their time proving they can do something worthy of God's decision to save them. Having no choice but to count on him because we can't do something worthy on our own, really cuts down on the amount of wasted time trying.

I highly recommend Joni Eareckson Tada and Steve Estes' book When God Weeps. The two of them dug through the Bible to find out why Joni became a quadriplegic. It really does answer the big question, "Why me, God?" AND it doesn't give the hoaxy, wishful-thinking answers many Christians simply accept because they aren't in the situation that made that question so very real.

Why don't some get healed? I needed that answer, so God introduced me to that book. It has made the difference.

 

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​Not to sound blasphemous or anything, but medical means have healed me ALOT better than God ever has.. Pain meds work wonders..lol .. Fortunately I only take them when I'm in extreme, excruciating agony, cuz I really don't like taking narcotics and usually try getting by on Ibuprofen..

There are these four hyperlinks in the signature of a woman on this site. Her name is Blue Ladybug. I suspect you need to read them again. God's healed you a lot more than you think. What he hasn't done is healed you of the physical parts. Particularly check out that suicide link. I don't know the woman who was suicidal. I know you -- the woman after she was suicidal. You aren't her anymore. Whoja think did that to you? Who healed you like that?

He's healing us -- just not in the same order we want to be healed.

 

[Depleted]

God loves us dearly and He will use any means possible to effect our healing and soundness. He will use doctors, teaching us sound eating habits..etc. He will meet us wherever our faith is at. He wants us whole. He is not some sick "god" in the sky that wants to teach us something by putting sicknesses on us. That is the spirit of anti-Christ in the air that brings that teaching.

Yeah, okay. Not really into "spirit of" religiosity, so if that's what you want to believe, go for it. Don't mind me. I simply know that's not true.

 

[blue_ladybug]

There are these four hyperlinks in the signature of a woman on this site. Her name is Blue Ladybug. I suspect you need to read them again. God's healed you a lot more than you think. What he hasn't done is healed you of the physical parts. Particularly check out that suicide link. I don't know the woman who was suicidal. I know you -- the woman after she was suicidal. You aren't her anymore. Whoja think did that to you? Who healed you like that?

He's healing us -- just not in the same order we want to be healed.

​I love you, Lynn..

 

[crossnote]

God loves us dearly and He will use any means possible to effect our healing and soundness. He will use doctors, teaching us sound eating habits..etc. He will meet us wherever our faith is at. He awnts us whole. He is not some sick "god" in the sky that wants to teach us something by putting sicknesses on us. That is the spirit of anti-Christ in the air that brings that teaching.

So you agree with my post #18 then....thanks..have a great weekend!

You said lots up there.

God loves us dearly and He will use any means possible to effect our healing and soundness. -He did, at the Cross.

He will use doctors, teaching us sound eating habits..etc. -yes

He will meet us wherever our faith is at.- Well, He never left us.

He wants us whole.-. He has already provided for that and in time we will fully experience that.

He is not some sick "god" in the sky that wants to teach us something by putting sicknesses on us.- Definitely not a sick god but like the boy born blind (John 9) God has His reasons.

That is the spirit of anti-Christ in the air that brings that teaching.- since I didn't agree with all, does that mean I have the AC spirit?

.thanks..have a great weekend!- hopefully you do the same, and don't go getting sick.

 

[ForthAngel]

Hold your horses there. I too believe Ben's wrong, but give the guy a break. He's not WoF or HW!

Yes he is.

 

[Depleted]

VVhat good does it do to acknowledge He can do something if you don't believe He will do it for you?

It gives me a good chuckle when he does it his way for me anyway. And then I remember that the next time. Jonah both thought God couldn't change the people of Nineveh's minds and feared God would. (Nineveh was the enemy at that time.) He didn't want anything to do with God's plan, and yet... We really, really don't force Hod's hands by our actions. He forces his actions on us. And, in the end, we think "great idea!" Or not, as Jonah proved too. Our real only choice is how we get there -- willingly or unwillingly. Make no mistake though, if God wills it we will get there.

(BTW, love how you fixed the "my W isn't working right" problem by using two V's. Very creative. )

 

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​I have faith the size of Camel's Hump mountain here in Vermont..lol.. What I've never understood about faith is this: God says if you have faith the size of a teeny mustard seed, you can move mountains, yet to Peter, who was afraid, he said "oh you of LITTLE faith". Have you ever seen how little teeny tiny a mustard seed is? lol

Funny. Just this morning I was thinking of buying mustard seeds just to remind myself of what I need on occasion. lol

 

[blue_ladybug]

​Ben, I never said that I don't BELIEVE God will or can heal me.. I KNOW he can. The part I don't believe is that he heals EVERYONE, because it's obvious he doesn't..

 

[secondtimearound]

He is in the business of curing our souls from the scar tissue that this world leaves on us. Suffering in our flesh is the major means that God uses to clean up the scar tissue on our souls.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
2 Corinthians 4:5-17

 

[Depleted]

I'll go back to what Roger said; Faith is not the sole determining factor for working miracles... God's will and plan also come into play. BUT - lack of faith can be the sole determining factor in thwarting Gods plans and will.

I guess a simpler way to put it would be, faith alone may not bring you a miracle, but the lack of faith can keep you from receiving one.

I truly get what people are saying. I disagree. Lazarus had nothing. He was dead. So we're talking less than mustard seed faith at that moment. And yet, viola! Jesus brought him back to life -- minus any faith on Lazarus's part, minus his agreement, minus absolutely anything Lazarus needed to contribute to make it happen.

Honest. I truly understand what is being said. I simply don't agree.

 

[BenFTW]

​Ben, I never said that I don't BELIEVE God will or can heal me.. I KNOW he can. The part I don't believe is that he heals EVERYONE, because it's obvious he doesn't..

Hey blue_ladybug, if you re-read what I said I didn't imply that you don't believe God can heal. I actually said that you do believe He can. I was just making a distinction between hope, and faith. I can believe God can give me a chocolate bar, or I can be in faith that He will give me a chocolate bar. One is a hoping in His goodness and the other is an expectation of His goodness.

I hope I am not offending you, its just an interesting distinction.

 

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Oohh Forth, I feel your pain. From November '14 to March 2015, I was stuck in bed with a herniated disk and sciatica in my left leg. The most excruciating agony I've EVER been in. Three trips to the ER, and a 3-day hospital stay, numerous injections in my back, ughh.. I can tell you from first hand experience that sitting is the WORST thing you can do for a herniated disk. Try putting a heat wrap on it. Heat works wonders for me. Other than the pain meds, the ONLY relief I got was when I was laying in bed on my side. Standing, sitting and walking, forget it.. I hope yours gets better soon, because I have felt that agony and it's horrible..

Question for the bad-back/sciatica pain expert: Can lying for three months in bed kill sciatica pain? (I keep hoping this much forced bed-rest takes away John's sciatica.)

 

[ForthAngel]

Hey blue_ladybug, if you re-read what I said I didn't imply that you don't believe God can heal. I actually said that you do believe He can. I was just making a distinction between hope, and faith. I can believe God can give me a chocolate bar, or I can be in faith that He will give me a chocolate bar. One is a hoping in His goodness and the other is an expectation of His goodness.

I hope I am not offending you, its just an interesting distinction.

You twist scripture into making God's will your own will. You put God on a leash and make him subservient to you. You usurp God's sovereignty and replace it with man's. God is not obligated to do anything for any of us.

 

[Grace777x70]

Amen!

Just this part below goes with the spirit of anti-Christ....that teaching is not from God..He would be working against Christ then....and a house divided will not stand......and you agreed with that so we are all good!

He is not some sick "god" in the sky that wants to teach us something by putting sicknesses on us. That is the spirit of anti-Christ in the air that brings that teaching


John 9 Jesus displayed the works of God and healed him...it does not say that God made him that way....verse 3-4 simply says " Neither him nor his parents sinned but so that the "works" of God might be displayed in him we must work the works of Him who sent Me as long as there is day"..great scripture to show the heart of good, loving Father that wants to heal what sin has brought into this world!.....thanks for sharing it.

Thanks for your blessings for me to not get sick..I'll agree with you on that!...you be well too my brother!

You said lots up there.

God loves us dearly and He will use any means possible to effect our healing and soundness. -He did, at the Cross.

He will use doctors, teaching us sound eating habits..etc. -yes

He will meet us wherever our faith is at.- Well, He never left us.

He wants us whole.-. He has already provided for that and in time we will fully experience that.

He is not some sick "god" in the sky that wants to teach us something by putting sicknesses on us.- Definitely not a sick god but like the boy born blind (John 9) God has His reasons.

That is the spirit of anti-Christ in the air that brings that teaching.- since I didn't agree with all, does that mean I have the AC spirit?

.thanks..have a great weekend!- hopefully you do the same, and don't go getting sick.

 

[Depleted]

I thought we were supposed to play fair.
Now when you are not in agreement it is anti-Christ teaching?

Hey, at least it's not hyper.... That's so last week. lol

 

[Depleted]

Ok...good point...let's use scripture as our guide ...

Show me in the life on Jesus on this earth where Christ puts sickness on people to teach them things....He is the exact representation of the Father's nature.

Show me Christ's life here on this earth telling people that He wants them sick to teach them something?

Show me the scripture where Jesus on this earth displaying and doing the will of the Father puts sickness on people.

Try the plagues that God kept sending to the Israelites in the wilderness. That wasn't the spirit of the anti-christ doing that. And, boy, oh boy, did they learn lessons in a NY minute!

 

[secondtimearound]

Hey blue_ladybug, if you re-read what I said I didn't imply that you don't believe God can heal. I actually said that you do believe He can. I was just making a distinction between hope, and faith. I can believe God can give me a chocolate bar, or I can be in faith that He will give me a chocolate bar. One is a hoping in His goodness and the other is an expectation of His goodness.

I hope I am not offending you, its just an interesting distinction.

We all believe [or hope] that a parachute will keep us from falling to our death if we jump out of an airplane.

The man who actually jumps, is showing FAITH!

It is a different level of believing. Or of trust. I was reminded earlier what you said about being able to believe for others, even ALL OTHERS, but yet not for your sake. Preaching to the choir, he is.

But always God's sovereign Will and purposes is the final determinant of the outcome. But I agree it is not the only component to the equation, if you will.

 

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Through suffering we can Glorify God and build character.

Why does it seem that people with a lot of faith(doctrine in the soul) suffer more? Because they can handle it.

It called pruning. He prunes(allows suffering) the branches that produce fruit, so they can produce more fruit.

That sucks! So, I have faith and God tortures me by heaping my plate? Surely he knows I DON'T LIKE HEAPING PLATE! And why does he pick on hubby? He knows I can take it, but I hate it when hubby gets stuck with it.

 

[Depleted]

You believe with absolute certainty that God can heal you. That isn't the same as actualizing the healing because there is no expectation or faith involved. I can believe God can turn the moon pink, but do I believe He will? No. Again, believing in God's capability to do something is not the equivalent of believing in faith that He will.

I don't say this to discredit your experience or for you to divulge your heart for all the world to see. Thats between you and God. All I am saying is that expectation is key and so too is the question of, "will He do it for me?" To believe in God's capability to do something is all good and well, and in His mercy He just might but that isn't the faith that believes. It is a hope, but it is not believing in faith.

A person is free to do either, to hope, or to believe in faith. The distinction matters and the results are clear.

Yikes! Actualizing? That's TM, not Christianity.