Healing: A Question to Ponder
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Look no further than...
Mark 11:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Expectation, there you go.
Mark 11:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Expectation, there you go.
Look no further than...
Mark 11:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Expectation, there you go.
Mark 11:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Expectation, there you go.
If its God's will :
1 John 5:14-15
This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him.
John 9:31"We know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is God-fearing and does His will, He hears him.
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Either way its a matter of believing that it is done already, or has been accomplished. Its faith and expectation. Its saying the same thing, .
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As far as healing goes.....it is the will of the Father for all of us to be well physically...but some don't get healed..why?
...the same way some people get saved and others don't when the gospel is preached to them.....but some do get saved...
our outer body is getting older and thank God we will get a new one some day..but sickness is not from God.
All who came to Jesus were healed..
You never see Jesus saying to those who came to Him:
1)..I can't heal you today as you have sin in your life....
2) No healing for you until you repent of hating your mother-in-law
3) No can do..no healing for you...you have a generational curse that needs to be taken care of first.
4) Definitely I will NOT heal you - as the Father wants to "teach" you something
All these above are man-made traditions and religious beliefs not grounded on the word of God.
We cannot make our experience change what Jesus did in His life here on earth to reveal the heart and will of our good, loving Father.
Jesus did the will of the Father. God does not cause sickness to happen but He sure can prove His love and grace for us in every situation when we are attacked.
We will find out when we meet Him why some weren't healed but we cannot go by experience to validate whether what scripture says is true or not.
Jesus is perfect theology:
Jesus is the exact representation of the Father. Jesus said no one knows my Father. So, whatever understanding of God we get from the Old Covenant that doesn't line up with Jesus' manifestation of the Father will be inaccurate.
Hebrews 1:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
...the same way some people get saved and others don't when the gospel is preached to them.....but some do get saved...
our outer body is getting older and thank God we will get a new one some day..but sickness is not from God.
All who came to Jesus were healed..
You never see Jesus saying to those who came to Him:
1)..I can't heal you today as you have sin in your life....
2) No healing for you until you repent of hating your mother-in-law
3) No can do..no healing for you...you have a generational curse that needs to be taken care of first.
4) Definitely I will NOT heal you - as the Father wants to "teach" you something
All these above are man-made traditions and religious beliefs not grounded on the word of God.
We cannot make our experience change what Jesus did in His life here on earth to reveal the heart and will of our good, loving Father.
Jesus did the will of the Father. God does not cause sickness to happen but He sure can prove His love and grace for us in every situation when we are attacked.
We will find out when we meet Him why some weren't healed but we cannot go by experience to validate whether what scripture says is true or not.
Jesus is perfect theology:
Jesus is the exact representation of the Father. Jesus said no one knows my Father. So, whatever understanding of God we get from the Old Covenant that doesn't line up with Jesus' manifestation of the Father will be inaccurate.
Hebrews 1:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
The answer why all aren't healed is partly from the same reason not all are not saved when hearing about Christ....it is God's will that all would come to Christ........this video has some points on it too...and there are some things we will find out when we see the Lord...it is God's will for us to be made well...without a doubt...it's in the gospel of the grace of Christ... just like the forgiveness of sins
[video=youtube;67B_iQr-wWE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67B_iQr-wWE[/video]
[video=youtube;67B_iQr-wWE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67B_iQr-wWE[/video]
To be real, so many have claimed we can just walk into a location and pray for everyone and there will be healings.
The experience is only a few ever happen. And often those that do often the reality is they were going to recover anyway or it was only temporary.
In the old testament, miracles were very, very rare. Church history equally is missing the constant but rare.
So many claim authority to ask for anything, but time and again these same people have died while trying to exercise their own faith and failing.
My conclusion is whatever the theological formula is, except Paul and the Apostles few seem to have understood it, and most in the modern age bring the name of the Lord into disrepute and constant lying.
The justification is miracles underline the gospel and power, but now the gospel these healers preach is not even repent of your sins and trust in Christ, it is just believe. And what these people emphasise is the believer should expect the miraculous and ignore walking in righteousness as the miracle of salvation, but rather just admit it is impossible.
Then on top of this these healers call those who point out the lack of honesty or integrity as legalists and hypocrites, following self justification over grace, when actually it is these people who are trying to fulfill the try power of salvation.
The experience is only a few ever happen. And often those that do often the reality is they were going to recover anyway or it was only temporary.
In the old testament, miracles were very, very rare. Church history equally is missing the constant but rare.
So many claim authority to ask for anything, but time and again these same people have died while trying to exercise their own faith and failing.
My conclusion is whatever the theological formula is, except Paul and the Apostles few seem to have understood it, and most in the modern age bring the name of the Lord into disrepute and constant lying.
The justification is miracles underline the gospel and power, but now the gospel these healers preach is not even repent of your sins and trust in Christ, it is just believe. And what these people emphasise is the believer should expect the miraculous and ignore walking in righteousness as the miracle of salvation, but rather just admit it is impossible.
Then on top of this these healers call those who point out the lack of honesty or integrity as legalists and hypocrites, following self justification over grace, when actually it is these people who are trying to fulfill the try power of salvation.
And yet we will all physically die. most through disease and sickness... Answer that please?
heart disease, cancer, kidney failure and the list goes on and on and on.... thats how we die (unless you die in an accident). Now don't think that I don't believe God can heal, for that would be wrong of you!
So when is the cut off age for God not to heal even though you ''''expect it''
heart disease, cancer, kidney failure and the list goes on and on and on.... thats how we die (unless you die in an accident). Now don't think that I don't believe God can heal, for that would be wrong of you!
So when is the cut off age for God not to heal even though you ''''expect it''
Whenever we take man's humanistic thoughts over the clear word of God as shown in the life of Jesus displaying the true nature and will of the Father.......we will develop all kinds of traditions and religious beliefs contrary to the truth.
We can die of old age without having a sickness....our bodies just wear out...it happens all the time that people die without a sickness on them...
Jesus is perfect theology.
Here is another good video....why some sick are not healed...
[video=youtube;xlLWcEPGby4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlLWcEPGby4[/video]
We can die of old age without having a sickness....our bodies just wear out...it happens all the time that people die without a sickness on them...
Jesus is perfect theology.
Here is another good video....why some sick are not healed...
[video=youtube;xlLWcEPGby4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlLWcEPGby4[/video]
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Matthew 9:27-29 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] As Jesus went on from there, two blind men followed Him, crying out, "Have mercy on us, Son of David!"
[SUP]28 [/SUP] When He entered the house, the blind men came up to Him, and Jesus *said to them, "Do you believe that I am able to do this?" They *said to Him, "Yes, Lord."
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Then He touched their eyes, saying, "It shall be done to you according to your faith."
[SUP]27 [/SUP] As Jesus went on from there, two blind men followed Him, crying out, "Have mercy on us, Son of David!"
[SUP]28 [/SUP] When He entered the house, the blind men came up to Him, and Jesus *said to them, "Do you believe that I am able to do this?" They *said to Him, "Yes, Lord."
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Then He touched their eyes, saying, "It shall be done to you according to your faith."
Hi grace777,
I know the thelogy of WOF/health/wealth.
My question still stands.
[And yet we will all physically die. most through disease and sickness... Answer that please?
heart disease, cancer, kidney failure and the list goes on and on and on.... thats how we die (unless you die in an accident). Now don't think that I don't believe God can heal, for that would be wrong of you!
So when is the cut off age for God not to heal even though you ''''expect it'']
When do you stop to expect healing, or when is you faith not strong enough, because we all die of disease and sickness (unless its an accident)
This is the proof text you put forth grace777:
Are you trying to say that christians die with disease and sickness like all men (unless an accident) because its according to their faith?
I know the thelogy of WOF/health/wealth.
My question still stands.
[And yet we will all physically die. most through disease and sickness... Answer that please?
heart disease, cancer, kidney failure and the list goes on and on and on.... thats how we die (unless you die in an accident). Now don't think that I don't believe God can heal, for that would be wrong of you!
So when is the cut off age for God not to heal even though you ''''expect it'']
When do you stop to expect healing, or when is you faith not strong enough, because we all die of disease and sickness (unless its an accident)
This is the proof text you put forth grace777:
Are you trying to say that christians die with disease and sickness like all men (unless an accident) because its according to their faith?
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You can claim whatever you like.
If you want to prove this reality, take a congregation of any church with a reasonable spread of age and backgrounds and measure their suffering from illness against another group of people not associated with church.
If there is a significant difference, then there is something behind your claims. My experience of christians and my own, is in reality christians suffer exactly the same as others. Now some individuals hardly ever fall ill, which I am one, while my wife has many issues, and gets help through medication.
Now in your theology why do we need to reach out and claim healing and wealth, because surely the Lord loves us so much he will just provide it. Or is there something else going on.
If you want to prove this reality, take a congregation of any church with a reasonable spread of age and backgrounds and measure their suffering from illness against another group of people not associated with church.
If there is a significant difference, then there is something behind your claims. My experience of christians and my own, is in reality christians suffer exactly the same as others. Now some individuals hardly ever fall ill, which I am one, while my wife has many issues, and gets help through medication.
Now in your theology why do we need to reach out and claim healing and wealth, because surely the Lord loves us so much he will just provide it. Or is there something else going on.
I'm not really interested in your religious beliefs....nor in your rabbit trails...sorry...bring me scripture that says it is not God's will to heal....show me that healing is not in the gospel of grace of Christ...
Psalm 103:2-4 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Bless the LORD, O my soul, And forget none of His benefits;
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Who pardons all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who redeems your life from the pit, Who crowns you with lovingkindness and compassion;
Psalm 103:2-4 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Bless the LORD, O my soul, And forget none of His benefits;
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Who pardons all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who redeems your life from the pit, Who crowns you with lovingkindness and compassion;
Lol, now your being silly, read what I said. I never said God does not heal. And once someone answers the way you have, it means they cannot actually answer the question.
And as I have already stated and it is a universal truth... all men and women die because of sickness and disease (unless an accident) Are you now denying this truth? Its also a biblical truth that we all die, and as we all know this normally happens through sickness and disease. So my question is simple, what is the cut off age for ones 'faith' or 'expectation' not to be strong enough?
As I have already stated, you have an over realised theology.
Rev 21.
4 hHe will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and ideath shall be no more, jneither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”