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Re: What a joke...
This means you have agreed to the terms....
Alpha defines how elements interact, so the whole periodic table would be messed up. Protons and electrons would interact differently and even light would have been affected. Physics relies on constants remaining constant, so it would affect that too. One site I got this information from is here.
That also talks about one study in which Alpha was shown to not be constant....There are more.
This is the post I was addressing: And this other article even discusses how alpha disproves that point.
This means you have agreed to the terms....
Alpha defines how elements interact, so the whole periodic table would be messed up. Protons and electrons would interact differently and even light would have been affected. Physics relies on constants remaining constant, so it would affect that too. One site I got this information from is here.
That also talks about one study in which Alpha was shown to not be constant....There are more.
This is the post I was addressing: And this other article even discusses how alpha disproves that point.
Re: What a joke...
You're not defending your googled article.
You're just plucking out a few words from this work of fiction and running with it.
Where on the references for the article?
Where is it peer-reviewed?
Can you even show us where it is falsifiable?
And here....you forgot to mention this tidbit...
Many (un-named) physicists have conveniently decided to pass judgment at a later date?
Come on...
I have some ocean-front property in Iowa for sale....
You're not defending your googled article.
You're just plucking out a few words from this work of fiction and running with it.
Where on the references for the article?
Where is it peer-reviewed?
Can you even show us where it is falsifiable?
And here....you forgot to mention this tidbit...
Many (un-named) physicists have conveniently decided to pass judgment at a later date?
Come on...
I have some ocean-front property in Iowa for sale....
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I would assume the majority of people on this thread believe in the
creator God, that God created the earth/universe etc and that it did not evolve,
big bang theory etc.
That being the case then as far as I can see, Christians then become split
into two camps, those who believe that a day in genesis
literally means a day; and those who believe God created the universe
via evolution in that he set the universe rolling along free to evolve on
its journey.
My position is a day being a literal day.
For those who believe God created the earth/universe via evolution then here
is some food for thought.
1) Who created God, did he evolve also, is he not omnipotent, omnipresent etc.
2) Who created Satan, did he evolve.
3) If all animals/plants and mankind evolved then at what point did humans stop
grunting and become spiritually aware of God. At what point were they
sufficiently evolved to be able to experience the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
4) I have heard people suggest the earth was created but the rest of the universe
the stars, planets, nebulas, etc were allowed to evolve and are still doing so.
If God is capable of creating the entire earth and everything in it, then why is
he not capable of creating the entire universe.
5) God did set laws in motion, Gravity, the way light reacts, the way magnetic
forces react etc and I am sure there are many others we have not yet discovered
This does not point to evolution, it points to an orderly creator God who did not
want chaos. But all these laws are still under the command of God and he can
revoke those laws at any time. How do you know this you might ask, try
reading the last few chapters of a Job. Look at Isaiah 38 v 8 where the sun went
into reverse briefly! Look at the sea crossing in Exodus. Look at the book of
Revelation where the sky is rolled back like a scroll. How does evolution
explain any of this.
6) People suggest there is no way Adam could be created, name all the animals,
realise there was none like him, then for God to make Eve all in 24 hours.
Firstly God is God. Secondly the bible does not say Adam named everything on the
planet. Read the following:-
Genesis 2:20 NKJV
[20] So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast
of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him.
It says cattle, birds of the air, beast of the field - maybe this just means animals
who occupied grassland or even domesticated animals as we know them. It does
not suggest Adam named every living thing on the planet in a 24 hour period.
I should imagine that Adam would have been perfectly formed, highly intellectual,
using all flawless brain power and function fully available.
7) We don't know many things, we don't know exactly what the universe was like
before the fall. It's not just planet earth which was affected the whole of creation
groans. We don't know what the earth looked like or the conditions on it before
the flood. But many talk about evolution as if things have happily moved along
at a steady constant unchanging pace, but this is not the case.
For all we know prior to the fall things looked very different, the atmosphere
could have been very different. Even the universe could have looked very
different, in fact it probably did. Maybe there was no radiation for example,
maybe there was no combustibles of any kind.
8) How did the lake of fire evolve.
9) How did our spirits evolve, that part of us which lives on after our
physical death,
Im not suggesting we throw intellect out of the window, but there are
many things we simply do not know and can only guess at. I know that i
would rather be led by the creator God whose thoughts are higher than
mine.
creator God, that God created the earth/universe etc and that it did not evolve,
big bang theory etc.
That being the case then as far as I can see, Christians then become split
into two camps, those who believe that a day in genesis
literally means a day; and those who believe God created the universe
via evolution in that he set the universe rolling along free to evolve on
its journey.
My position is a day being a literal day.
For those who believe God created the earth/universe via evolution then here
is some food for thought.
1) Who created God, did he evolve also, is he not omnipotent, omnipresent etc.
2) Who created Satan, did he evolve.
3) If all animals/plants and mankind evolved then at what point did humans stop
grunting and become spiritually aware of God. At what point were they
sufficiently evolved to be able to experience the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
4) I have heard people suggest the earth was created but the rest of the universe
the stars, planets, nebulas, etc were allowed to evolve and are still doing so.
If God is capable of creating the entire earth and everything in it, then why is
he not capable of creating the entire universe.
5) God did set laws in motion, Gravity, the way light reacts, the way magnetic
forces react etc and I am sure there are many others we have not yet discovered
This does not point to evolution, it points to an orderly creator God who did not
want chaos. But all these laws are still under the command of God and he can
revoke those laws at any time. How do you know this you might ask, try
reading the last few chapters of a Job. Look at Isaiah 38 v 8 where the sun went
into reverse briefly! Look at the sea crossing in Exodus. Look at the book of
Revelation where the sky is rolled back like a scroll. How does evolution
explain any of this.
6) People suggest there is no way Adam could be created, name all the animals,
realise there was none like him, then for God to make Eve all in 24 hours.
Firstly God is God. Secondly the bible does not say Adam named everything on the
planet. Read the following:-
Genesis 2:20 NKJV
[20] So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast
of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him.
It says cattle, birds of the air, beast of the field - maybe this just means animals
who occupied grassland or even domesticated animals as we know them. It does
not suggest Adam named every living thing on the planet in a 24 hour period.
I should imagine that Adam would have been perfectly formed, highly intellectual,
using all flawless brain power and function fully available.
7) We don't know many things, we don't know exactly what the universe was like
before the fall. It's not just planet earth which was affected the whole of creation
groans. We don't know what the earth looked like or the conditions on it before
the flood. But many talk about evolution as if things have happily moved along
at a steady constant unchanging pace, but this is not the case.
For all we know prior to the fall things looked very different, the atmosphere
could have been very different. Even the universe could have looked very
different, in fact it probably did. Maybe there was no radiation for example,
maybe there was no combustibles of any kind.
8) How did the lake of fire evolve.
9) How did our spirits evolve, that part of us which lives on after our
physical death,
Im not suggesting we throw intellect out of the window, but there are
many things we simply do not know and can only guess at. I know that i
would rather be led by the creator God whose thoughts are higher than
mine.
I'm not sure I'm reading you right... are you saying that there is little evidence for a fairly recent worldwide flood? If so, then perhaps you would consider doing a little research; perhaps start with the Grand Canyon and Mount St. Helens. There are many fascinating videos on YouTube on the subject.
When I was a kid I took a school trip to Redwoods forest and got to see a giant Sequoia tree that was over 2000 years old. They say you can count the rings to estimate the age. Please don't tell me they got it wrong and that tree was planted in 1822. It's more fun to learn about stuff that's old. If aliens visit us, most of these theories are blown out the water anyway. With the size of the universe, there is no way we are the only life forms here. Anyways, thank you for enlightning us with your vast expansive knowledge oh wise one.
It's more fun to learn about stuff that's old. If aliens visit us, most of these theories are blown out the water anyway. With the size of the universe, there is no way we are the only life forms here. Anyways, thank you for enlightning us with your vast expansive knowledge oh wise one.
I did not see that what you wrote was clear, so I asked for clarification, which you have not provided. Please check out the videos, then let's have a respectful conversation about the evidence in them. There is plenty of evidence for a recent worldwide flood, but the blinders of assumption and prejudice can make it difficult to perceive.
Re: What a joke...
You cant argue against the information I brought up.....go ahead and try....multiple studies were done on this and yes there are peer reviewed studies. They waited in 2010 when the information first came out....
You now have to prove it is a work of fiction otherwise you have an unsubstantiated claim.....I bet you can't...which is why you are not addressing the information at all. If you can prove it is wrong, My mind is open...
You cant argue against the information I brought up.....go ahead and try....multiple studies were done on this and yes there are peer reviewed studies. They waited in 2010 when the information first came out....
You now have to prove it is a work of fiction otherwise you have an unsubstantiated claim.....I bet you can't...which is why you are not addressing the information at all. If you can prove it is wrong, My mind is open...
Shem was 98 when the Flood ended. He begat Arpachshad two years after the Flood at 100. after he begat Arpachshad he lived 500 years. Got it?
the ages of each who followed when they bore a son were 35, 30, 34, 30, 32, 30, 29. Terah 70 at which he begat Abraham = 290.
so from the flood to Abraham was 292 years. Got it? Shem was 390. Got it?
Depending when you think Abraham lived (2000 - 1700 BC) that makes the flood between 2300 and 2000 BC.
There is no evidence for a worldwide flood at that time. Full stop!
the ages of each who followed when they bore a son were 35, 30, 34, 30, 32, 30, 29. Terah 70 at which he begat Abraham = 290.
so from the flood to Abraham was 292 years. Got it? Shem was 390. Got it?
Depending when you think Abraham lived (2000 - 1700 BC) that makes the flood between 2300 and 2000 BC.
There is no evidence for a worldwide flood at that time. Full stop!
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what date is finally arrived at?
the example from the op, then,
from Library: Radio-Carbon Dating Proves a Young Earth
"For example, a rock aged by two different scientists using the most advanced radiometric technique was reported to be 10,000 years old by one scientist. The other scientist aged the same rock at several billion years."
is the 10,000 reliable?
so, babies then (previously, I think you'd only used the word 'children', so I thought maybe you were thinking children, not babies).
I'll grant that adam and eve being formed as babies is a possibility, though to me, the things God says to them on the sixth day implies at least adolescents.
also, how do you understand God creating man male and female on the same day?
I'll grant that adam and eve being formed as babies is a possibility, though to me, the things God says to them on the sixth day implies at least adolescents.
also, how do you understand God creating man male and female on the same day?
that's correct, I'm not sure. I can't think of any miracles in the bible that would include deception.
I think the logic works better if Jesus made real wine, so since it seemed you were going with that, I agreed.
right, a miracle... in which something has the appearance of age, fermentation, etc... when none of those things actually happened...
I think that could be a good parallel with the universe.
I think the logic works better if Jesus made real wine, so since it seemed you were going with that, I agreed.
right, a miracle... in which something has the appearance of age, fermentation, etc... when none of those things actually happened...
I think that could be a good parallel with the universe.
