JESUS IS WILLING, BE HEALED!

[blue_ladybug]

I agree completely. Lady Blue has an amazing testimony of faith, courage and perseverance.

​Aww, thank you, Jerry.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Blue you are one of the strongest people I know, I wish you would be healed but I also understand that it's because of all you go through that you are able to connect and understand those who also go through harsh pain and sickness. Most of my severe pain and sickness was all before the age of 18 and while I still deal and struggle with sickness and pain it is nowhere near what it used to be. Most of my pain and anguish is of brokeness and pain emotionally being battered on the inside so compared to you and to many others my sufferings are easy.

You don't give yourself enough credit, babe. You have been through some absolutely horrific stuff, and yet you are so wise, and understanding, and you've used your experiences to become an awesome blessing to EVERYONE here and everyone around you. YOU are much stronger than I could ever even hope to be.

 

[Grace777x70]

I can see what you are saying...

I will give you an example of what I believe and do in my own personal life when confronted with circumstances and trials.

Let's say that I am fearful because I just lost my job. I can sit and dwell on the thought of losing my job.... Now, someone can come and say.."Have faith in God"...now that is an encouragement and it is a true saying but my mind is so tuned in to the circumstances that it overwhelms me. Just hearing someone say "Have faith in God"..is not enough to feed me in the state I am in.

What is the solution? Go to the word of God and find out what is mine because of Christ and His love for me. What does my Father say about this situation?

I would say.."Lord what do I need to believe today?"......the Lord usually will give us a rhema word..( usually a scripture that pops out at us...)

It may be Matt 6:33...Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things will be added unto you. ( provisions in life)

Now I would meditate this truth and get the seed into my heart ...and when the soil of my heart is good..the seed itself will bring forth it's fruit...

I believe the answer in every situation in life is to go to the scriptures and see what is ours in Christ because of His love for us and then to 'feed' myself on His word for me in that area until; it brings forth fruit in my life.

I don't take it personal that I don't have faith for getting a job provided from the Lord...I do what the Lord says to build up my faith in that area and don't blame God or others for the situation.

Once my mind is renewed to the truth of God's word then the battle for a particular belief becomes lessened. I my have faith in my renewed mind for healing but not have the faith I need to believe God will provide a job for me. I need to build my faith up in that area of my believing before I see a harvest from the word of God.

When you look at Jesus when He went to some towns and He marveled at their unbelief...what was His solution?..he went about the cities teaching....faith comes from hearing and hearing from the word of Christ.

Mark 6:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

I need to be taught from the Holy Spirit about Jesus.

I know your not teaching that brother. But teaching that healing is Gods will for ALL in todays dispensation implies that the believer who is not healed, lacks something.

Even your post implies that the believer lacks teaching and faith and that is why we are not healed.

 

[blue_ladybug]

You don't give yourself enough credit, babe. You have been through some absolutely horrific stuff, and yet you are so wise, and understanding, and you've used your experiences to become an awesome blessing to EVERYONE here and everyone around you. YOU are much stronger than I could ever even hope to be.

Thank you to whomever repped me for this post. I truly appreciate it. God bless.

 

[ladylynn]

I believe the first half of the video, that Paul's 'thorn' was poor eyesight. Do you think God would allow his chief apostle to be possessed by a demon? The Holy Spirit and demonic ones can't dwell in the same house. Just as Job was stricken with illness and afflictions, Satan (demons) can cause a lot of havoc in a persons life, but as God told Paul; 'My grace is sufficient for you' ... jmo

Dan58., I don't have a demon but i sure have had people around me that sought to defeat me, harassed me., hurt me.,slandered me. Paul had great opposition as he was for the very first time giving the good news of Jesus to the new groups of believers who were meeting and those who were hearing the message for the first time.

There were many who apposed him. Religious Jewish leaders and other gentile leaders who were heavily steeped in Gnosticism and other oddball teachings that refuted the teachings of Christ .

Paul had people following him from place to place and condemning him. Can you imagine wanting and trying to minister the truth to your needy and much loved brothers and sisters in Christ? But meeting GREAT hateful opposition to you wherever you went? Many times he was stopped from entering into certain places. It was greatly discouraging as Paul admitted. He knew satan was behind it and Paul must have seen some major demon activity during his time.

We are not able to be possessed of demons because we have the Holy Spirit indwelling us, but we sure can be harassed by those who are possessed and influenced by demons. And we can be influenced by them so we need the helmet of salvation the breast plate of righteousness., feet shod with the preparation of the Gospel.., and the sword of the Spirit. Being strong in the Lord and the power of His might., Paul kept encouraging the believers all through His writings. He gave the instructions for the churches and he was greatly attached by the enemy for it. But like you said in your post, God told Paul "My grace is sufficient for you."

 

[Gr8grace]

Such a doctrine is putting experiential knowledge over the truth of God's word when you perpetuate the notion that because believers are sick healing for all isn't for today, or this "dispensation." That is fallacious because it puts into question what Jesus accomplished at the cross.

It is just the opposite of that Ben. Just because I have witnessed some miraculous healings, doesn't mean it is for everybody or all.

Jesus Christ didn't come to physically heal us during this life. He came to spiritually heal us and rid our SOULS from disease and sickness.

 

[Blain]

You don't give yourself enough credit, babe. You have been through some absolutely horrific stuff, and yet you are so wise, and understanding, and you've used your experiences to become an awesome blessing to EVERYONE here and everyone around you. YOU are much stronger than I could ever even hope to be.

Usually one needs an outside view of themselves lol.
I certainly don't see myself as strong but I do seek to be strong however one must understand what true strength is and what it really means to be strong before they seek it. All I have to do is look at Jesus to know the answer, in getting to know him in becoming intimately closer to him day by day I learned his nature I began to understand his type of thinking his ways of doing things and I learned what true strength is.

I want to be strong but not for myself, I know myself well enough to know that I am not a leader I am not one to stand against a giant army by myself without backing down. I am a supporter an encourager an uplifter I am one who bears ppls burdens with them helping them to stay strong to keep their hearts set on God. I want to be strong so that I help others saty strong and I do not simply have compassion of ppl with burdens I help carry their burdens with them I am more than willing to suffer with them and for them to help carry their cross. the image of the man who helped Jesus carry the cross come to mind

 

[ForthAngel]

I'd rather die physically diseased and go to meet Jesus than die healthy with a misplaced faith and improper understanding of who God is and go to hell. Better to enter the kingdom of God maimed than to be physically healthy and go to hell.

 

[Grace777x70]

Sometimes in discussions like these we should honor each other's faith that they have before the Lord..Let's weep with those that weep..rejoice with those that rejoice.. love them in whatever circumstance they are in and stand with them in whatever capacity we can. We are all citizens of a different kingdom..a kingdom of our Lord and God. We need each other and love each other and we are all one part in the Lord's body.

I always found this scripture below to have a great influence on my life and on others views and their walk with the Lord as well.

Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.

 

[Grace777x70]

Well said..I would too!

I firmly believe when we get to heaven and stand before our Father and Lord...we are going to be appalled at the things we said and thought about their true nature when we see the depths of the love they have for us. We have a good, loving Father!

I'd rather die physically diseased and go to meet Jesus than die healthy with a misplaced faith and improper understanding of who God is and go to hell. Better to enter the kingdom of God maimed than to be physically healthy and go to hell.

 

[Txroads]

Thank you, sweetie. I suffer every day with constant pain and discomfort in my back. I have since i was in my late 20's- early 30's. So I'm talking DECADES of pain here. Read my pain testimony and you'll see what I went through last year. I would not wish the pain of sciatica or a bad broken back on any of you, and I know ForthAngel has sciatica, and so does Lynn's husband John. My heart truly breaks for them, because I know firsthand how agonizing and totally debilitating that pain is. I know how long it takes to get over it, I know the agony of not being able to stand or sit or even walk. I was totally alone, and couldn't even get out of bed on my own. I probably looked rather comical hopping up on one leg, then yelling "ow ow ow owoo owowow"..lol But with God's help, I did it. It was agony but I made it. And I NEVER wanna go through sciatica again.. I feel so bad for Angela, and Lynn and John, and several others here. They're much worse off than I am. Yet they rarely, if ever, let it get the best of them.

You know....... Honestly..... I think this is part of God's "no eye has seen, no war has heard" part.... HIS thoughts are way outta our range.... We can't see what HE'S doin because of our natural mind set, but who knows what spiritual battles Blue is winning that we don't even know about.... SHOOT SHE MIGHT BE MICHAEL IN DISGUISE!..... We never know how the things we say, or do, or the things we go through are affecting other people... We might be giving strength or faith to someone else.... Without even knowing it Michael (lady blue.. Lol) mighthave saved someone's life.... Someone who just couldn't take the pain anymore and was ready to give up one way or another, here come blue.... Look at Lynn and John, somebody's marriage in the rocks and they fightin and then they hear what Lynn and John are going through and that marriage bull strong..... When we ask to see God working, when we ask to see faith in acrion, are we looking for what we want to see or what God needs us to see....

 

[ladylynn]

Honestly, I think Beloved777 is correct in his question.

Trying to teach that physical healing is the order of this day, puts salvation in question. Or implies there is no real security for the believer.

We know all people are not healed? Why? If God wants all people healed and some are not, the logical conclusion is that the creature has done something or is not doing something, so they are not healed.

Which puts into question our eternal security. It implies a lack of eternal security...........a sick christian is a lost or lacking christian.

​I disagree totally with that comment in red. What are we lacking, just because we may be ill? We're still a christian, that doesn't get revoked because of illness or infirmity. We don't lose our eternal security just because we're ill. As far as I can comprehend, the ONLY thing a christian is lacking while sick, is good health.. lol

Amen., we are lacking nothing. Dealing with my own illness and seeing the progressive healing God has done. To continue trusting in His love and wait., He shows out these things on the way through this difficult time. There is nothing that can separate us from the Love of God in Christ Jesus.

I also believe some healing is progressive and my strength and emotions have not always been "stellar" but Jesus gave me the assurance He knows my frame and has made provision. I've felt that graceful provision during the trying times when all that I could do was go to bed and sleep to get away from it.
Blessed sleep!!!!

 

[Grace777x70]

Amen!......sometimes the fruit of our faith is in the "blade" stage in the soil of our hearts.....let it grow..nourish it with food and the water of the word......keeping our eyes on Jesus and His finished work for us...He is the Light that brings food for our "blade" that is growing in the soil of our hearts.

Mark 4:26-28 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And He was saying, "The kingdom of God is like a man who casts seed upon the soil;
[SUP]27 [/SUP] and he goes to bed at night and gets up by day, and the seed sprouts and grows—how, he himself does not know.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] "The soil produces crops by itself; first the blade, then the head, then the mature grain in the head.

Amen., we are lacking nothing. Dealing with my own illness and seeing the progressive healing God has done. To continue trusting in His love and wait., He shows out these things on the way through this difficult time. There is nothing that can separate us from the Love of God in Christ Jesus.

I also believe some healing is progressive and my strength and emotions have not always been "stellar" but Jesus gave me the assurance He knows my frame and has made provision. I've felt that graceful provision during the trying times when all that I could do was go to bed and sleep to get away from it.
Blessed sleep!!!!

 

[BenFTW]

It is just the opposite of that Ben. Just because I have witnessed some miraculous healings, doesn't mean it is for everybody or all.

Jesus Christ didn't come to physically heal us during this life. He came to spiritually heal us and rid our SOULS from disease and sickness.

He came to do both. His ministry alone shows that. Post-cross the apostles ministry show that, how else did they heal in His name if it were not His will? It seems you've run into a contradiction. Jesus heals today, and His will is plainly revealed in His sacrifice for mankind.

Psalm 103:2-4King James Version (KJV)

2 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:
3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;
4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;

 

[ladylynn]

Faith comes by hearing. If you only hear that God wants to save you etc. you get faith and you get saved. If noone tells you there's also healing in the package, how can you get faith for that?

Yes coby., for many years although I heard about the 5 fold ministries I never looked into anything outside of our church teachings. Was thoroughly convinced that the gifts of the Spirit for speaking in tongues was the wackiest nuttiest thing for people to do. That healing is not like it was in the Apostles time no more than tongues. Those who tried to do such things were crazy and very mixed up and unlearned in the Bible.

Over the years I see how God will not force us to look into things we have no interest in. If we chose to allow our feelings or people or our comfort to lead us, the Holy Spirit won't force more on us. It wasn't until all was lost that I began to seek out God to save what was left of my life on earth and to find answers about what grace really meant.

The choice came down to - die or trust Jesus to do what He promised. Those were the only choices at the time. But in reality they are the only real choices for any time for all of us. If He isn't in it, it isn't real and it won't last.

 

[Grace777x70]

I agree...even in the old covenant God said if they keep the law , no diseases will come upon them. We have a new covenant build upon better promises...bought by the life and blood of our Lord Jesus...we will get new bodies one day but in the meantime..

Healing is part of the gospel of the grace of Christ just as much as forgiveness of sins is. Just look at the gospel being preached by Paul in Lystra and the man born lame got healed by listening to the gospel.

The man having heard ( Paul was preaching for a few days in Lystra...the tense "having heard" here is imperfect which means this man was listening for a while ) the gospel had faith to be healed......Paul preached healing of the physical body when he preached the gospel. along with the forgiveness of sins by the blood of our Lord Jesus.

It's all good news!

He came to do both. His ministry alone shows that. Post-cross the apostles ministry show that, how else did they heal in His name if it were not His will? It seems you've run into a contradiction. Jesus heals today, and His will is plainly revealed in His sacrifice for mankind.

Psalm 103:2-4King James Version (KJV)

2 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:
3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;
4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;

 

[coby]

It is just the opposite of that Ben. Just because I have witnessed some miraculous healings, doesn't mean it is for everybody or all.

Jesus Christ didn't come to physically heal us during this life. He came to spiritually heal us and rid our SOULS from disease and sickness.

He came to save the lost and a whole lot of atheists are not gonna get saved if they don't see evidence.
We have this one guy in Holland on Facebook, he's so enthousiastic, he just goes to the local hospital to pray for people and he posts: I want to raise 5 dead people this year. I wanna see it!
Holland is not gonna get saved without miracles. If you people don't see signs and wonders you will by no means believe He said to a man and healed his son and he and his house got saved.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Dan58., I don't have a demon but i sure have had people around me that sought to defeat me, harassed me., hurt me.,slandered me. Paul had great opposition as he was for the very first time giving the good news of Jesus to the new groups of believers who were meeting and those who were hearing the message for the first time.

There were many who apposed him. Religious Jewish leaders and other gentile leaders who were heavily steeped in Gnosticism and other oddball teachings that refuted the teachings of Christ .

Paul had people following him from place to place and condemning him. Can you imagine wanting and trying to minister the truth to your needy and much loved brothers and sisters in Christ? But meeting GREAT hateful opposition to you wherever you went? Many times he was stopped from entering into certain places. It was greatly discouraging as Paul admitted. He knew satan was behind it and Paul must have seen some major demon activity during his time.

We are not able to be possessed of demons because we have the Holy Spirit indwelling us, but we sure can be harassed by those who are possessed and influenced by demons. And we can be influenced by them so we need the helmet of salvation the breast plate of righteousness., feet shod with the preparation of the Gospel.., and the sword of the Spirit. Being strong in the Lord and the power of His might., Paul kept encouraging the believers all through His writings. He gave the instructions for the churches and he was greatly attached by the enemy for it. But like you said in your post, God told Paul "My grace is sufficient for you."

Correct! If we go back to the OT we can see that "thorns in your sides" were inhabitants of the land that were to be driven out - Numbers 33:55 But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you, then those of them whom you let remain shall be barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides.

Also from Joshua 23:12,13 For if you turn back and cling to the remnant of these nations remaining among you and make marriages with them, so that you associate with them and they with you, know for certain that the Lord your God will no longer drive out these nations before you, but they shall be a snare and a trap for you, a whip on your sides and thorns in your eyes, until you perish from off this good ground that the LORD your God has given you.

The "thorn" Paul is speaking of were unbelievers sent to discourage Paul, to disrupt his teaching, to disrupt his spreading the gospel - "messenger of Satan" is not sickness - a messenger is a person or people.

AND, YES - God's grace was sufficient for Paul to be able to overcome!

 

[coby]

Correct! If we go back to the OT we can see that "thorns in your sides" were inhabitants of the land that were to be driven out - Numbers 33:55 But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you, then those of them whom you let remain shall be barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides.

Also from Joshua 23:12,13 For if you turn back and cling to the remnant of these nations remaining among you and make marriages with them, so that you associate with them and they with you, know for certain that the Lord your God will no longer drive out these nations before you, but they shall be a snare and a trap for you, a whip on your sides and thorns in your eyes, until you perish from off this good ground that the LORD your God has given you.

The "thorn" Paul is speaking of were unbelievers sent to discourage Paul, to disrupt his teaching, to disrupt his spreading the gospel - "messenger of Satan" is not sickness - a messenger is a person or people.

AND, YES - God's grace was sufficient for Paul to be able to overcome!

Yes and I've never seen blindness or a physical disease see stump someone with fists.

 

[Blain]

You know my eyes are slowly losing their sight they get worse every year have been since I was a young child now many times the words on my pc screen are blury even though it's close to my face and I can't see the eye doctor for at least five more months.

i have told God many times that I would trade my physical eyes for his in a heart beat and one day I may have to prove my words,
But if I lost sight in these eyes would I really be blind? What if losing sight in these eyes gave me more sight in his? These eyes of mine are a blessing they enable me to see and thus can walk and do stuff I wouldn't be able to without them but they don't really see do they? They can see the outer appearance of things but they cannot see past that and the sight I am after is one that sees into the inner depths not the outer edge or appearance as often times what these eyes of mine see are never what they appear.

I think it's very possible that if I lost my physical sight i would in turn gain in his and so if this is in fact true then then have I really lost anything? maybe instead losing my sight all I did was trade one pair of eyes for another