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Jesus washes us clean of sin, so we are righteous.
It is not Jesus's righteousness that makes us righteous. We are righteous because our faith is deemed as righteousness.
But we are not allowed to walk in sin and claim we are righteous.
So God does not see Christs righteousness instead of our sin, he sees a repented redeemed sinner turned saint.
I have heard this righteousness argument but it is not biblical.
“He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”
1 Peter 2:24
It is not Jesus's righteousness that makes us righteous. We are righteous because our faith is deemed as righteousness.
But we are not allowed to walk in sin and claim we are righteous.
So God does not see Christs righteousness instead of our sin, he sees a repented redeemed sinner turned saint.
I have heard this righteousness argument but it is not biblical.
“He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”
1 Peter 2:24
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I'd ask where you get this stuff from, but I know where.
1 Corinthians 1:29-31
"So that no one may boast before him. It is because of Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”
1 Corinthians 1:29-31
"So that no one may boast before him. It is because of Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”
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True grace doesn't permit us to stay the same; after you know that you are not condemned - it empowers you to change. Grace was never intended to allow us to keep on being the same as the true gospel of the grace of Christ is God's very empowerment through the life of Christ in and through us that transforms us - as we behold Christ in a mirror - we see who we are in Him and the Spirit transforms us ( 2 Cor. 3:17-18 )
When we see that we are called to the true life in Christ and we know we can't work it up and can't accomplish it in our own strength but we desire the His life in us to come forth - that's when empowering grace comes to make our faith a reality in our lives.
When we see that we are called to the true life in Christ and we know we can't work it up and can't accomplish it in our own strength but we desire the His life in us to come forth - that's when empowering grace comes to make our faith a reality in our lives.
Here a couple of verses
1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness
is born of him.
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous,
even as he is righteous.
1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest,and the children of the devil:
whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1 Cr 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God:
I speak this to your shame.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are
to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,
but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness
is born of him.
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous,
even as he is righteous.
1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest,and the children of the devil:
whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1 Cr 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God:
I speak this to your shame.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are
to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,
but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
No I have not misunderstood, Ben, and I wish you would stop pretending to know what I believe and/or understand when I have hardly ever spoken to you... and this is not the first time you have presumed to know that which you do not. I am a pretty straightforward person, but I do not miss subtleties like some others obviously do to boil it down to an either/or issue, and I have watched this blather go on for months now. This is part of the confusion and discord some sow and then try to cover up with platitudes and cliches and oh it's all your fault you misunderstood while they are on a merry go round, saying one thing one day and contradicting them self the next. I have been told it is wrong to identify as a sinner. Is it? No. Guess what Ben? If you sin, you are a sinner, and you are a liar if you say you are without sin. That is Scripture, plain and simple.
Doing righteous deeds by themselves does not make one righteous. This is having the cart before the horse.
Doing righteous deeds because Christ has made us righteous is what 1 John chapter 3 is talking about. This shows the difference between the devil and those that belong to Christ. John was describing a believer and an unbeliever.
I know there have been "good" people doing "righteous deeds " but they were not belonging to God. Many religions have moral living people in them - all doing "righteous deeds".
Here is how righteousness comes to a believer....we need to be righteousness conscious...not sin-conscious...we have a new creation in Christ now! This "righteousness " will manifest outwardly in doing righteous deeds - but we need the "horse" in front first.
The "horse" being Christ's righteousness in us because of our being in Christ in our inner man..our new creation in Christ.
Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness and sin not..when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells..
Doing righteous deeds because Christ has made us righteous is what 1 John chapter 3 is talking about. This shows the difference between the devil and those that belong to Christ. John was describing a believer and an unbeliever.
I know there have been "good" people doing "righteous deeds " but they were not belonging to God. Many religions have moral living people in them - all doing "righteous deeds".
Here is how righteousness comes to a believer....we need to be righteousness conscious...not sin-conscious...we have a new creation in Christ now! This "righteousness " will manifest outwardly in doing righteous deeds - but we need the "horse" in front first.
The "horse" being Christ's righteousness in us because of our being in Christ in our inner man..our new creation in Christ.
Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness and sin not..when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells..
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to which guys exactly?
want to name anyone here with your labels?
see, no matter how many times this is denied, it falls on deaf ears because if anyone would acknowledge it, there would be
no more dickering and folks might actually agree on a few things
I have noticed however, that when someone cannot define their belief by scripture, they quickly post about hyper grace or anti-spiritual gifts or some other red herring
want to name anyone here with your labels?
see, no matter how many times this is denied, it falls on deaf ears because if anyone would acknowledge it, there would be
no more dickering and folks might actually agree on a few things
I have noticed however, that when someone cannot define their belief by scripture, they quickly post about hyper grace or anti-spiritual gifts or some other red herring