Rapture= false teaching

[miktre]

What bible are you reading...my bible study notes clearly state that it is indeed NOT the same Lazerus as in John 11.

KJV............

 

[MyBagsRPacked]

KJV............

I was saying that tongue in cheek LOL

 

[miktre]

What bible are you reading...my bible study notes clearly state that it is indeed NOT the same Lazerus as in John 11.

Now if this is another Lazarus the words of Christ hold true by the resurrection of another Lazarus and Christ himself.

Lets say this parable is talking about them dying before the earthquake, they both die and the rich man goes one place and Lazarus another. They are both conscious.

Lets say this parable is talking about them dying after the earthquake, they both die and the rich man goes one place and Lazarus another. They are both conscious.

Either way you look at it they are both conscious.

 

[MyBagsRPacked]

Now if this is another Lazarus the words of Christ hold true by the resurrection of another Lazarus and Christ himself.

Lets say this parable is talking about them dying before the earthquake, they both die and the rich man goes one place and Lazarus another. They are both conscious.

Lets say this parable is talking about them dying after the earthquake, they both die and the rich man goes one place and Lazarus another. They are both conscious.

Either way you look at it they are both conscious.

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The Lazerus that would have been resurrected at the time of Christ`s ressurection died before the earthquake. The other Lazerus doesn`t matter since a Parable is not based on fact, but a LESSON or EXAMPLE. A parable is a short tale that illustrates universal truth, one of the simplest of narratives. It sketches a setting, describes an action, and shows the results. It often involves a character facing a moral dilemma, or making a questionable decision and then suffering the consequences. As with a fable, a parable generally relates a single, simple, consistent action, without extraneous detail or distracting circumstances
The point of the parable is that when you store up riches on earth, you rob yourself of Heaven. If you are poor and humble like the Lazerus in the story, which is what it was, you shall be rewarded.
I thank you for helping me to see this more clearly Of course they are conscious in the story but it`s just not FACT of what you are attempting to show me.

 

[walt2000]

You are all good typist' but you are all wrong in Revelations. If it was this easy Isac Newton Would have had it a few years ago.You Forget the Rule Rev.22/18-19 .Your all over the place .You can't be right And me wrong .You have to get it all -Thats All of your Information from Rev. only.walt2000

 

[miktre]

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The Lazerus that would have been resurrected at the time of Christ`s ressurection died before the earthquake.
You lost me on which Lazarus you are talking about here. You imply that this is Mary and Marthas brother. He was resurrected well before Christ was.

The other Lazerus doesn`t matter since a Parable is not based on fact, but a LESSON or EXAMPLE. A parable is a short tale that illustrates universal truth, one of the simplest of narratives. It sketches a setting, describes an action, and shows the results. It often involves a character facing a moral dilemma, or making a questionable decision and then suffering the consequences. As with a fable, a parable generally relates a single, simple, consistent action, without extraneous detail or distracting circumstances
The point of the parable is that when you store up riches on earth, you rob yourself of Heaven. If you are poor and humble like the Lazerus in the story, which is what it was, you shall be rewarded.
I thank you for helping me to see this more clearly Of course they are conscious in the story but it`s just not FACT of what you are attempting to show me.

I don't think you can say Christ would teach a parable of things that can't be true. A parable is not a fable. Fables are based on lies, parables are based on truths. When Christ speaks of things of Heaven, He speaks truths.

 

[miktre]

You are all good typist' but you are all wrong in Revelations. If it was this easy Isac Newton Would have had it a few years ago.You Forget the Rule Rev.22/18-19 .Your all over the place .You can't be right And me wrong .You have to get it all -Thats All of your Information from Rev. only.walt2000

Who are you addressing Walt?

 

[walt2000]

The interpretation of Revelations.
The Revelation of Christ to John
Open to all,no holds barred.with belate.
Only one Rule. That Christ made himself Rev.22/18 -20
walt2000(Acts 2:16-17) “But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:”​

Ask anybody,(that Say's he is a prophet of Rev.) if they can interpet Rev .10, and tell you what the seven thunders said to the church's, if they stay within Revelation, and don't use any other book , then they are worth listening too, if they can not then leave them alone, they are false prophets.They all commit the same sin ,of Revelation 22/18 and are condemned.To with the plagues of Rev.

1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified by his angel unto his servant John:

1:3 Blessed he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time at hand.

Unless you are compelled to study this ,leave it alone .Read Rev.22/18-19 and underline it.


22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to them, may God add to him the plagues which are written in this book. 22:19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

This is not a End of Time Prediction. It is a true interp. of Revelation no time is Known​

 

[walt2000]

Revelations reveled.
I am sorry ,but this proves everybody wrong.
The left behind books, and movie, are a joke,of jokes, and an insult to man's intelligence.
This will I know make every body a bit mad .
I ,in thirty five +- 5 years , I have not seen anything that compares to this.


Just reading, and I seeing you guys ,what you guys are going through,reminds me what I went thought, trying different things, over and, over and, over again.
I 'm in the country here, and I didn't have a computer to read, with all the idea's out there.Well Every body here thought, I was nuts having a obsession ,over a number.that came into my head, to just count the books in the bible.The only bible I could find was a K.J.V.so that is what I used,And ,I had to get that off of some one else,Well when came to no.27 it came out to Daniel.in the old test.
So I read it over and over,read the whole bible at least three times, I came to Revelation It struck me, in the middle of the night, that he was telling me a story seven times to,JUST like DANIEL and his LITTLE SCROLL ,So being catholic,I thought I would study it Helen Keller style.I would see If any of the other people ,I mean religions, had the same interp.I didn' want to study the catholic prospective,I didn't want it to influence me in any way.Well they didn't make sense now,now I don't consider that I'm a Albert Einstein ,but it just didn't make sense.
I Studied with the seventh day, the baptists.The Mormons ,the ,well all the religions , needless to say I got helped out of some church,s, one minister even got fired ,lot of them changed the study topic.Some kissed me, and when the leader heard what I was saying,they got me out fast, and got out right mad, nobody made sense.


One book ,all different.They had seven raptures I had one.I made a real pest of my self ,now in Winnipeg there are a lot of Church's and I was to them all,drawing a blank every time.So I thought I would write a book of my own. By the way 27 is the trinity cubed.The number of ENLIGHTENMENT., there I did not want to blow it so fast, but, that's what I found it to be. 3x3x3=27 the trinity cubed.


That is the first Thunder The Seals.
one letter to EPHESUS .Six Thunders to Go.
and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. Jewish and Cristian promised protection.


The next two Thunders are together .


Thunder no.2 ,The trumpets(SMYRNA) letter no.two, Life ,2= union with Christwith emphases the
The witness's(3 rd. Thunder).(PERGAMAS) letter no.3, Forgiveness.3 trinity in Christ.
Thunder no.4 ,EARTH,THYTIRA ,promised power.Re.12-15.is shared with ,
Thunder no.5.,SARDIS promised clothed in White,Three angel messengers ,with emphases on THE WORD,Rev.14/6-15/5.Word Of God.
These are the only Thunders that are shared ,showing emphases on two sublets.
THUNDER 2 SMYRNA,UNION is shared with 3,PERGAMAS,Forgiveness,WITNESSES.
and THUNDER 4 ,EARTH,THYTIRA,power,is shared with 5.SARDIS,White cloths,PROPHESY


Unless you are compelled to study this ,leave it alone .Read Rev.22/18 and underline Rev.22/19
Read and judge ,this with a clear mind.



INTRODUCTIONI like to keep my victory on the top Read from bottom up


VISION OF IMAGERY EXPLAINED Rev.1/20
CONQUERER OF DEATH-Rev.1/18
VISION OF CHRIST-Rev.1/13
VISION OF SEVEN CHURCHES-Rev.1/11
VISION ON PATMOS-Rev.1/9
VISION OF SECOND COMING-Rev.1/7


MESSAGE TO THE CHURCHES-Rev.1/4
REVELATIONS OF CHRIST TO JOHN-Rev.1/1

FIRST PAGE OF ELEVEN ELEMENTS-Rev.1/1-20​

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[walt2000]

Revelation proved .walt2000

THE SEVEN THUNDERS----------plus Eighth Thunder
In the SEVEN SEALS,THUNDER No.1. we start with WHITE HORSE WINNER are Show en where the seals are .The horses are the four spirits that roam the earth.Then a Great Earth Quake (war).Look to Thunder No.7 same place same war.---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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In the THE SEVEN TRUMPETS 2 THUNDER, just AFTER the great war ,the witnesses happen , in brackets ,to emphasize that area, the scenario of events.The last great effort of Gods people (the sealed).---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The WITNESSES THUNDER ,TRINITY,are the sealed amplified.To show Gods people from the WHITE HORSE ( the First advent )to the(Second advent) SECOND WHITE HORSE-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The EARTH THUNDER are the events that happen on this earth .In relation with the THREE BEASTS THAT ROAM .
1.THE EARTH .The Beast that we made of the holy spirit.
2.THE SEA .Beast that comes out of the countries. nations,and tongues
3 THE THREE ANGEL MESSENGER.--------------------------


( The WORD THUNDER)


The WORD THUNDER is an amplification of Preaching to the world, and the Babylon that incurred.Then the winepress ,to separate the true Christians and Jews from the pulp. To get into Heaven
The MAN THUNDER THUNDER No.6 The seven vials that is poured on mankind ,The blessed, are spared ,and then Heaven.


The DIVINE THUNDER. The confusion that starts off with,with the whore ,that makes war on his Church,The separation of His people ,(that winepress that is the same winepress that is in the Word thunder) Then the WHITE HORSE WINNER ,in heaven.
Then things which John seen in Heaven
Unless you are compelled to study this ,leave it alone .Read Rev.22/18 and underline Rev.22/19
At the out set you have to understand a little germatria.
When ever you see a number the number means a word.


Horizontally = The elements


1 = life
2 = No second death
3 = Forgiveness.
4 = Power.
5 = White clothed.
6 =Protection.
7 = Throne.


Vertically = Thunders
1 st. Thunder = Life,Thunder.
2 nd. Thunder = no second death,Thunder.
3 rd. Thunder = Forgiveness,Thunder.
4 th. Thunder = Power,Thunder.
5 th. Thunder = White ,Word,Thunder.
6 th. Thunder = Man,Protection,Thunder.
7 th. Thunder =Divine,Thunder.
There are two White Horses.First Seal Re.6/1 and ending with the second White Horse winner.Re.19/11
If you draw a line across and join them ,You get a Eight Thunder.Re.14/2 The Great Thunder


walt2000​

 

[walt2000]

Revelation reveled.revelations proved .Seven thunders to seven church's, It is that simple.


WELL, DOE'S ANY BODY HAVE ANY REASON WHY EVERY THING LINES UP IN THE CHART I GAVE YOU? all scripture is in order, and not placing ,And spacing them in order ,to make a point.
Find your question vertically, in the Seven Thunders,and then find your answer horizontally .
this is a gemartria no.--------------------------------------------------------no.27027
--
0 = a space no. that can be discarded
Remember the 0 is a spacer,and can be discarded,so what I get is as fallows
27072--------- 27 books in the bible come to revelations,
2+7- 0- 7+2
9- 0- 9 the spacer in gemartria can be removed so we get
9+9 then
18 then
9
In gemartria the number nine is,the number of Finality,,judgment,Fruit of the spirit, Divine completeness from the father



The two no.are basic to light and creation put the no.s together you get a palindrome-27072
and we have the lowest number evenly divisible by each other.well in gemartria of the old test the number 27 is the number of light.
The Hebrew word for light adds p to 207 and multiplies to 12 since zeros are merely place holders it can be written in gemartria as 27.The same Hebrew word is sometimes translated Sun.The same Hebrew meaning to illuminate ,
now 72 =
New test word for seeds from Greek meaning ,that from life springs ,it bas the no.720 ,The title ,Lord God in Heaven also adds up to 72
he is from that life springs.


So Christ is the -- 27=light of the world
and.72=lord god in heaven
light = lord god in heaven prophesy,also= revelations.
The making of the chart you may just as well just print them as given.It is a sequential use, of scripture.
As for its use .The vertical lines tell the events ,the horizontal lines explain the event.
If you have a particular question ?Find out where it is vertically on the chart then read the answer horizontally.Thunders 1,2,3,4,5,6,7
There are seven stories told from seven vantage points .it is a seven dimensional look in to the future of one event ,the church on earth.and it's redemption in heaven,The more you look at it the more you will see.Look at it All Then read my posts it explains each of the vertical lines.
then Goggle
walt2000 revelations
That will explain the interior parts of the charts,There is no sense repeating every thing when it is all in front of you.
There is no Bible code!!
Instead of 35 years studying Revelations it would have been more productive focusing on the Gospels. EVERYTHING we need to know is in the Gospels. If there were no other books in the NT ,apart from the Gospels it would not matter because the fullness of truth is in the 4 Gospels.​

probably in retrospect, it would be easier, every thing is in the the gospels,and every thing should be easier, but revelations was, hidden for a reason,hidden, so not every body would understand, .I think It was put there so every body will not be able to know ,Just the sealed of GOD, The people, the people that have the seal of GOD in their foreheads the one's that he wanted to under stand.The people that want to put the time into it, not all people were meant to under stand.That's why there are so many interp. of it.
People usually study some one else's opinion and don't want to study,They have a 15 minute attention span,GOD WANTS you to form your own.

When you go to a study group ,the leader there, has about a week or two looking at a set agenda, their not studying for them self's, their studying another person's work .There is a special blessing for those that work it out.For them self's


Unless you are compelled to study this ,leave it alone .Read Rev.22/18 and underline Rev.22/19
Look up these no.'s in scripture.
http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/The%20Significance%20of%20Numbers%20in%20Scripture.htm


I know I am bucking the traces here ,How come some thing this simple is so hard to see.walt2000​

 

[MyBagsRPacked]

talk about spam lol

 

[walt2000]

Re.1-3 PROMISES things john seen
Promise Seven church of laodicea------------------ Re.3/4 A THRONE
Promise six church of Philadelphia-------------- Re.3/7 PROTECTION
Promise five church of Sardis------------ Re.3/1 CLOTHED IN WHITE
Promise four church of Thyatira------------------------- Re.2/18 POWER
Promise three church of Pergamas--------- Re.2/12 FORGIVENESS
Promise two church of Smyrna--------- Re.2/8 NO SECOND DEATH
Promise one church of Ephesus------ Re.2/1 LIFE EVER LASTING


I LIKE MY REWARD TO BE ON TOP
so I put my victory at the top. REMEMBER LOOK AT THE NUMERICS of the thing.
7 THRONE
6 MAN
5 WORD
4 EARTH
3 UNITY IN THE TRINITY
2 DIVINE PROTECTION
1 ONENESS,IN THE LIGHT
HAY GUYS WE WINNERS SEVEN TIMES A WINNER
this is a prologue to the seven thunders,then we win seven more times, then in the epilogue we win again.
Unless you are compelled to study this ,leave it alone .Read Rev.22/18 and underline Rev.22/19
THUNDER No.1 Re.6-8/3 Like I said I like to keep my Victory at the top
The LAMB is able to open the SEALS, WHITE HORSE.


SEAL No. 7 silence in heaven.Christ wins


The sealed Re.7/17 the sealed ones, in their foreheads.


SEAL No.6 The no. of MAN
EARTH QUAKE look at the 6 th. trumpet,6 th.Promise
Re.6/12 look at the 6 th.Vial


SEAL No.5 The no. of the WORD
SOULS ARE GIVEN look at the 5 th.trumpet
WHITE ROBES look at the 5 th. Pomises
Re.6/9 look at the 5 th.Vial


SEAL No.4 The no. of the EARTH
PALE look at the 4 th. trumpet
HORSE look at the 4 th. Promise
Re.6/7 look at the 4 th.Vial


SEAL No.3 The no. of the WITNESSES
BLACK Look at the 3 rd.trumpet
HORSE Look at the 3 rd. Promise
Re.6/5 Look at the 3 rd.Vial


SEAL No 2 the no. of DIFFERENCE
RED look at the 2 nd. trumpet
HORSE look at the 2 nd. Promise
Re.6/3 look at the 2 nd. Vial


SEAL No.1 the no. of the LIGHT CHRIST
WHITE look at the 1 st. trumpet WITH A
HORSE look at the 1 st. Promise CROWN
Re.6/1 look at the 1 st. Vial SACRIFICE


Look up Seal no.3 Do not hurt the OIL & THE WINE .
See what significance the oil and the wine, has to the catholic mass.
SEVEN TIMES A WINNER
walt2000​

 

[MyBagsRPacked]

I don't think you can say Christ would teach a parable of things that can't be true. A parable is not a fable. Fables are based on lies, parables are based on truths. When Christ speaks of things of Heaven, He speaks truths.

I never called a Parable a fable, I called it a story...then I quoted the definition of a parable as is accepted. Jesus taught many things through parables but it doesn`t mean they were all based on real people or factual events. There`s just no evidence for that...or am I wrong....

 

[walt2000]

Who are you addressing Walt?

All that don' see the Seven Thunders .walt2000​

 

[miktre]

I never called a Parable a fable, I called it a story...then I quoted the definition of a parable as is accepted. Jesus taught many things through parables but it doesn`t mean they were all based on real people or factual events. There`s just no evidence for that...or am I wrong....

This would make that the only parable not possible, spoken untruthfully.

 

[MyBagsRPacked]

This would make that the only parable not possible, spoken untruthfully.

I`m not sure what that means...lol

I`m simply saying that it`s nothing more than a lesson, as to the other parables. I`m not calling it a lie, or any other parables for that fact, I`m jsut saying that it`s not enough for me to think that people are in a concious state on death...

 

[miktre]

All that don' see the Seven Thunders .walt2000​

Do we see the thunders and not hear them? Do we not see the seven lightnings first?

 

[walt2000]

I studied with the
http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.htm
They are all wrong.In Revelation
walt2000​

 

[miktre]

I`m not sure what that means...lol

I`m simply saying that it`s nothing more than a lesson, as to the other parables.

All others parables are based on events that can actually happen. Are you saying this parable is based on an event that can not happen? i.e. not possible, spoken untruthfully.