It seems to all be flying over your head now Magenta. I don't think this is edifying, want to call it quits?
Did He, Or Didn't He?
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It seems to all be flying over your head now Magenta. I don't think this is edifying, want to call it quits?
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and we're off
you whoooooooooo....I'm still back here...keep going though and prove my point lol!
Defending double speak as you have just done speaks very poorly of your character.It seems to all be flying over your head now Magenta. I don't think this is edifying, want to call it quits?
Stop pretending you know what I know. You don't.
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eternally-gratefull
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seriously? And you think this line of respond will get one person to see it your way?
This is getting out of hand.
Stay on topic, yeah? Lets drop this silliness. I don't know precisely what you stand for, but who you stand for is revealing.
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Oh but, We are supposed to earn our salvation.. we need to fear. or we may lose it..
If they actually opened their eyes, and read what they said, they would be horrified they even thought and said such things..
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eternally-gratefull
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You have yet to expose one person. All you have done is expose yourself as living in the past. and not hearing a word anyone has said
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eternally-gratefull
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In other words, we should fear you and Peter.. and those like you who want us to earn salvation. and mock the cross of Christ.
because we could follow you and in doing so our souls will be destroyed.
Paul mentions working out our salvation, The greek shows it to be something we own. It is our salvation, we already possess it..
He is saying, work out what you already have, If you have a car, and it sits in the driveway it is useless. You need to get it, Take it out, to be able to make use of it.
Paul is saying, Use your salvation to be lights in the world. Live in a way no one can make a charge against you
He is not saying work to earnn your salvation..
THAT IS THE LIE OF SATAN!! there I just said it, ONLY I BACKED MY WORDS UP..
This is an excellent truth about doing "things" in the flesh or by the Spirit..now to some this may offend.....but it's for our greater good.....compliments of FreenChrist..he gave the quote out before and I borrowed it.
"You may have harnessed the energy of the flesh in an otherwise quite genuine desire to honor the Lord Jesus in your life. The flesh, which has its origin in Satan, will go along with you; to survive, it is quite prepared to engage in every form of Christian activity, even though this may seem to honor Christ.
The flesh will sing in the choir, teach Sunday school, preside at a deacons’ meeting, preach from the pulpit, organize an evangelistic crusade, go to Bible college, volunteer for the mission field, and a thousand other things, all of which may in themselves be otherwise legitimate, if only it can keep its neck out of the noose. The flesh will threaten, shout, strut, domineer, sulk, plot, creep, beg, plead, or sob, whatever the situation may demand in the interests of its own survival. By any and all means it will seek to cause every Christian to live by his own strength instead of by the power and grace of the Lord Jesus, and to conclude that doing so is actually a good thing!
The characteristic of the spiritually immature is that they are unable to discern between good and evil (Hebrews 5:13-14), and the baby Christian, like the foolish Galatians, “having begun in the Spirit” still tries to be “made perfect by the flesh” (Galatians 3:3).
We must be particularly patient with those whose lack of understanding allows a genuine love for the Lord Jesus to be satisfied with, and sometimes to be quite enthusiastic about, Christian activities involving means and methods which are heavily contaminated by the flesh. These are more deserving of instruction than rebuke, for they are still in their spiritual babyhood.
.....The flesh will seek to produce the most plausible arguments in justification of its own illegitimate activities, even though these activities are only what the Bible calls “dead works” (Hebrews 6:1; 9:14) and not the “good works” which are truly the work of God. “Good works” are those that have their origin in Jesus Christ, as Christ’s activity is released through your body because you present it to Him as a living sacrifice. You do this only by faith that expresses total dependence, as opposed to Adamic independence."
Major Ian Thomas: The Way Of The Flesh; from The Indwelling Life of Christ
"You may have harnessed the energy of the flesh in an otherwise quite genuine desire to honor the Lord Jesus in your life. The flesh, which has its origin in Satan, will go along with you; to survive, it is quite prepared to engage in every form of Christian activity, even though this may seem to honor Christ.
The flesh will sing in the choir, teach Sunday school, preside at a deacons’ meeting, preach from the pulpit, organize an evangelistic crusade, go to Bible college, volunteer for the mission field, and a thousand other things, all of which may in themselves be otherwise legitimate, if only it can keep its neck out of the noose. The flesh will threaten, shout, strut, domineer, sulk, plot, creep, beg, plead, or sob, whatever the situation may demand in the interests of its own survival. By any and all means it will seek to cause every Christian to live by his own strength instead of by the power and grace of the Lord Jesus, and to conclude that doing so is actually a good thing!
The characteristic of the spiritually immature is that they are unable to discern between good and evil (Hebrews 5:13-14), and the baby Christian, like the foolish Galatians, “having begun in the Spirit” still tries to be “made perfect by the flesh” (Galatians 3:3).
We must be particularly patient with those whose lack of understanding allows a genuine love for the Lord Jesus to be satisfied with, and sometimes to be quite enthusiastic about, Christian activities involving means and methods which are heavily contaminated by the flesh. These are more deserving of instruction than rebuke, for they are still in their spiritual babyhood.
.....The flesh will seek to produce the most plausible arguments in justification of its own illegitimate activities, even though these activities are only what the Bible calls “dead works” (Hebrews 6:1; 9:14) and not the “good works” which are truly the work of God. “Good works” are those that have their origin in Jesus Christ, as Christ’s activity is released through your body because you present it to Him as a living sacrifice. You do this only by faith that expresses total dependence, as opposed to Adamic independence."
Major Ian Thomas: The Way Of The Flesh; from The Indwelling Life of Christ
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I agree, there is too much Roman Catholic influence
yes there is,, Legalism is roman catholic. And HeRose and Peter are deep in it. up to their necks!
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You have not put enough thought into it.
Paul is not telling us to fear losing salvation, He told us to fear not using the gift we have been given.
PAUL aways was afraid he would do one thing which would ruin his reputation. He wanted us to have that same fear.
HE never feared losing salvation, He reached to be bsent from the body was to be present with the lord. He taught his desire was to be home, not on this earth. But he would do what God wanted him to do. He taughyt the HS being his guarantee..
A man who fears losing salvation or it being a posibility does not say these things, PERIOD.
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LOL. Yeah, that's what it is. We all live in fear of your superior knowledge. What a head trip you are on.
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FreeNChrist
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It is only in your own little mind that you think you haven't been refuted. You are a legend alright, a legend in your own mind.
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There is the difference between works-based performance and grace-based believing in the gospel.
..the works-based person believes they need to avoid something and then do something to make sure they are ok....(.AKA the flesh and self-effort ).
...the grace-based believer believes in the gospel of the grace of Christ and in the finished work of Christ and His sacrifice was sufficient....( AKA saved by grace through faith ) Ironically this makes them safe from what was feared to begin with.
..the works-based person believes they need to avoid something and then do something to make sure they are ok....(.AKA the flesh and self-effort ).
...the grace-based believer believes in the gospel of the grace of Christ and in the finished work of Christ and His sacrifice was sufficient....( AKA saved by grace through faith ) Ironically this makes them safe from what was feared to begin with.
