If homosexuality is an abomination to God, why do some Christians support it?

[BenFTW]

Looking for those red letters

The significance to her that Jesus didn't speak on it was that He had "bigger fish to fry." In other words, more important matters. This doesn't mean that Jesus' silence on a matter is an endorsement of it. Also, the whole word of God is God-breathed, Spirit guided and maintained by the Lord. If the apostles spoke out against homosexuality, then that is God working through them to show that He still, in the NT, is in opposition to homosexual relations as it contradicts the order He established between a man and woman becoming one flesh.

Jesus, Himself, stood for marriage between a man and woman quoting the OT in speaking on divorce, and if you are going to consider anything of what Jesus did or didn't say, He spoke positively on heterosexuality as God ordained. It is like someone speaking for unity and because they said nothing about racism you imply a significance that they spoke nothing on racism but spoke on unity. They spoke on unity! They don't need to address racism because that is not unified. In the same way Jesus spoke on heterosexuality and therefore doesn't need to address homosexuality because He already presented what He is for.

 

[Blain]

Thank you. Any time you have those phantom Scriptures available, Blue. Just let me know.

Magenta while I think Blue may have let her emotions take over a bit to much do you need specific verses? Much of the bible is not specific about certain things but is understood from what we know about God. I know just from what I know about him that homosexuality is disgusting to him and yet how far he is willing to go for the gays to show them who he is who they are to him how deeply he loves them. He sees our past he sees who we are now but more importantly he sees who can be.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

The significance to her that Jesus didn't speak on it was that He had "bigger fish to fry." In other words, more important matters. This doesn't mean that Jesus' silence on a matter is an endorsement of it. Also, the whole word of God is God-breathed, Spirit guided and maintained by the Lord. If the apostles spoke out against homosexuality, then that is God working through them to show that He still, in the NT, is in opposition to homosexual relations as it contradicts the order He established between a man and woman becoming one flesh.

Jesus, Himself, stood for marriage between a man and woman quoting the OT in speaking on divorce, and if you are going to consider anything of what Jesus did or didn't say, He spoke positively on heterosexuality as God ordained. It is like someone speaking for unity and because they said nothing about racism you imply a significance that they spoke nothing on racism but spoke on unity. They spoke on unity! They don't need to address racism because that is not unified. In the same way Jesus spoke on heterosexuality and therefore doesn't need to address homosexuality because He already presented what He is for.

I'm not sure that your assessment of magenta views are accurate. However I agree with your stance on the issue.

 

[kaylagrl]

Silent?

Mr 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Seems that Jesus was affirming the eternal judgment of God upon those two cities.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Now there is a point I missed! Good catch Roger!

 

[blue_ladybug]

Thank you. Any time you have those phantom Scriptures available, Blue. Just let me know.

They aren't phantom scriptures, Magenta. You just refuse to believe them because PAUL wrote them, AND he was TOLD BY JESUS to write what JESUS wanted him to write.

 

[Magenta]

Magenta while I think Blue may have let her emotions take over a bit to much do you need specific verses? Much of the bible is not specific about certain things but is understood from what we know about God. I know just from what I know about him that homosexuality is disgusting to him and yet how far he is willing to go for the gays to show them who he is who they are to him how deeply he loves them. He sees our past he sees who we are now but more importantly he sees who can be.

Did Jesus treat the adulterous woman with disgust? No...

 

[blue_ladybug]

Still struggling with this one. Especially when you consider that there were councils of men that decided which words would go into the Bible and also when you consider the various language translations.

The ORIGINAL writing of the bible is Jesus' words from start to finish.

 

[BenFTW]

I'm not sure that your assessment of magenta views are accurate. However I agree with your stance on the issue.

I don't know how more accurate I can be than that of a quote. lol

He had bigger fish to fry [emphasis added], if you will pardon the pun-like nature of that reply. Like the plank in your eye, for instance. "Your" being used generally. I have already brought up the fact that adultery was likely mentioned in Scripture more often than homosexuality. Do we see threads on adultery? Do we go around stoning adulterers, anything like how homosexuals have been murdered and persecuted throughout history? What is the spiritual significance of adultery? Is it not idolatry? Idolatry is the sin whether one is hetero or homosexual.

 

[Magenta]

They aren't phantom scriptures, Magenta. You just refuse to believe them because PAUL wrote them, AND he was TOLD BY JESUS to write what JESUS wanted him to write.

No, Blue, I asked for something specific, and you cannot give it, nor can anyone else, and then you refuse to admit it. Nothing new there, just in general, I see this sort of refusal often. No biggie. And then of course you turn around and slam me because I am not budging from my original position, as if I should! It was not wrong then, and it is not wrong now. Your mind may just be too blown to see it. *shrug*

 

[blue_ladybug]

Did Jesus treat the adulterous woman with disgust? No...

​But he WAS disgusted by her adultery. We are to love gays, but not tolerate their lifestyle. Nor associate with their evilties.

 

[coby]

Thanks..I ordered his book...my brother has a son that may be caught up in this...

He's on youtube too. It's so awesome his testimony. There was this good looking straight guy who was totally his type and they wore a purity ring together.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HFKWH4d4jsw

This one is also good:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLo9RERy_Xg

 

[blue_ladybug]

No, Blue, I asked for something specific, and you cannot give it, nor can anyone else, and then you refuse to admit it. Nothing new there, just in general, I see this sort of refusal often. No biggie. And then of course you turn around and slam me because I am not budging from my original position, as if I should! It was not wrong then, and it is not wrong now. Your mind may just be too blown to see it. *shrug*

I'm not slamming you, I'm trying to understand your confused mindset. So do you agree that man lying with man is a sin, or is it normal behavior?

 

[ggs7]

Scripture, please. Not Leviticus. The words of Jesus while He walked this world. Thank you.

Jesus walked this world in the old testament.

Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
Gen 18:3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

Deu 23:14 For the LORD thy God walketh in the midst of thy camp, to deliver thee

Was it Jesus who walked?

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said,I AM hath sent me unto you.
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I AM!

So what does Jesus, the Lord God, the Son of God say?

Lev 20:13 If a man also lies with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be on them.
Lev 20:15 And if a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death. And you shall kill the animal.
Lev 18:22 You shall not lie with mankind as with womankind. It is abomination to God.
Lev 18:23 And you shall not lie with any animal to defile yourself with it. And a woman shall not stand before an animal to lie down to it. It is a perversion.
Lev 18:24 Do not defile yourselves in any of these things. For in all these the nations are defiled, which I cast out before you.

 

[blue_ladybug]

No, Blue, I asked for something specific, and you cannot give it, nor can anyone else, and then you refuse to admit it. Nothing new there, just in general, I see this sort of refusal often. No biggie. And then of course you turn around and slam me because I am not budging from my original position, as if I should! It was not wrong then, and it is not wrong now. Your mind may just be too blown to see it. *shrug*

Your original position? Your position all along has been Jesus did NOT speak on sexual immorality, when it's blatantly obvious he DID!! Your position is skewed.

 

[Blain]

Did Jesus treat the adulterous woman with disgust? No...

If you read what I posted notice how I didn't say God is disgusted with the homosexual but the homosexuality itself, notice how I explained how far he is willing to go for these ppl. i am not a part of any kind of argument between you and blue or anyone else I do not come the war forum to do war but to learn to teach to uplift and show the heart of God. If a debate is nothing but war and results in people being harsh to each other then the debate is no longer valid and has no meaning.

Debates has it's purpose if done in the right way but if we cannot debate in a Christ like manner then should we be debating? when things get to out of hand and I notice that the other person simply refuses to listen to reason and heated emotions are rising within the thread I have the wisdom to shake the dust off my feet and walk away. I hope others are able to do the same

 

[kaylagrl]

He had bigger fish to fry, if you will pardon the pun-like nature of that reply. Like the plank in your eye, for instance. "Your" being used generally. I have already brought up the fact that adultery was likely mentioned in Scripture more often than homosexuality. Do we see threads on adultery? Do we go around stoning adulterers, anything like how homosexuals have been murdered and persecuted throughout history? What is the spiritual significance of adultery? Is it not idolatry? Idolatry is the sin whether one is hetero or homosexual.

I haven't seen an adulterers parade recently. I haven't seen adulterers force people to bake cakes to celebrate their adultery. Or I haven't seen adulterers trying to force Christians to say their behavior is right and Biblical. Is adultery wrong? You bet! But there is a gay agenda that is being forced on Christians. Both are equally wrong but there is a militant gay agenda that is pushing Christians to accept them as they are. Now I've been a lot of churches,more than most people on this entire site and most churches that aren't liberal leaning will not marry a couple that is living together. They must separate and have marital counseling. Many churches still wont even allow divorced people to be pastors. So to make it look like Christians are just gunning for homosexuals is ridiculous.

And once again,what God said on the subject in the OT remains true in the NT,end of story.

 

[BenFTW]

I completely agree with Magenta that people need to extend and express the love of God to sinners. People need to not present the Gospel in a condemning way, as the way we deliver a message affects its reception. I can tell you, when I see street preachers calling women whores and expressing repulsion at homosexuals with hate that I believe they are hardening the heart of people the Holy Spirit is softening. They are working against God when they spew hate and do not express the Gospel in a loving way.

 

[Magenta]

I'm not slamming you, I'm trying to understand your confused mindset. So do you agree that man lying with man is a sin, or is it normal behavior?

Oh come on Blue, you have used a lot of strong words to express your dislike of what I am saying and asking for, and some of it most definitely was slamming me, telling me I am being snotty etc.

I asked for the words we know that came from Jesus while He walked the world. That should not be difficult to understand. If we did not place more value on them, there would be no such things as red letter Bibles. But red letter Bibles do exist because we place more value on the words that came out of His mouth while He walked this world. He corrected many things the Israelis were wrong on. And He was silent about homosexuality. Compared to all the noise people make about this one issue, the emphasis people place on it is quite remarkably disproportionate.

 

[chancer]

I completely agree with Magenta that people need to extend and express the love of God to sinners. People need to not present the Gospel in a condemning way, as the way we deliver a message affects its reception. I can tell you, when I see street preachers calling women whores and expressing repulsion at homosexuals with hate that I believe they are hardening the heart of people the Holy Spirit is softening. They are working against God when they spew hate and do not express the Gospel in a loving way.

Agreed. And I would go as far to say that they will be held accountable for their actions ...

 

[blue_ladybug]

Oh come on Blue, you have used a lot of strong words to express your dislike of what I am saying and asking for, and some of it most definitely was slamming me, telling me I am being snotty etc.

I asked for the words we know that came from Jesus while He walked the world. That should not be difficult to understand. If we did not place more value on them, there would be no such things as red letter Bibles. But red letter Bibles do exist because we place more value on the words that came out of His mouth while He walked this world. He corrected many things the Israelis were wrong on. And He was silent about homosexuality. Compared to all the noise people make about this one issue, the emphasis people place on it is quite remarkably disproportionate.

So are you saying Paul said those verses, and not Jesus? Why won't you accept his words, when spoken from heaven?