The Affliction Of Conspiracy Theorists

[Dude653]

They attacked us because their perverted religion teaches them that they will be rewarded in the afterlife for killing of infidels

 

[Sinnerman]

They attacked us because their perverted religion teaches them that they will be rewarded in the afterlife for killing of infidels

Yes, they believe that they must kill infidels and Jews. They do not care about winning. To die while killing infidels will earn them reward.

 

[Ultimatum77]

So you can defend your posts but you choose not to because why bother? Right, that's totally predictable as when some grade school kid says his father was a secret agent, not a janitor, but it's all top secret, so he can't discuss it.

So, is there a police state in the U.S.? No. Did 9/11 disrupt the Middle East? No. Did we steal the resources? No. Do we have a proxy army over there? No. Brilliant theory you have there.

If the hijackers are still alive, who flew the airplanes into the buildings? I'm particularly interested in your theory about the pentagon, since I'm fairly familiar with the evidence and the conspiracy theories. Who was part of this inside job? Why did it fail to achieve it's objectives? Which person of this inside group leaked their plans to you? How did President Bush convince terrorists to hijack planes? Are you beginning to see how it doesn't work the way you want it to work? The President doesn't just call up a demolition crew and tell them to blow up buildings and be sure not to tell anyone about it. He doesn't call Arab terrorists and ask them if they want in on the top secret plan to destabilize their home countries. The President doesn't just order some military base commander to fire a missile at the pentagon, no matter what he promises to do for them in return. Did you ever walk through your own conspiracy and notice about 1000 reasons it is ludicrous?

What is ludicrous is a person who does not think for themself, but loves papa govt to tell them how to think, act, behave and what is "acceptable" information. You like to bash conspiracy theories and say "oh what the govt told me is 100% fact" The same argument could be asked of you...do you believe 100% the gov't stories...? Do you work for them? Where you there? (crickets) yea didn't think so...I know some conspiracy theories are outrageous like planet x and nubiru. All of life is not a conspiracy. But some have more facts to back up their theories than compared to other conspiracy theories....The ties between the bush family and saudi arabia are notorious...after all the saudis were allowed to fly out during the immediate no fly zone post 911. There are also 1000 reasons the official story is ludicrous...think about that...

This link answers most of the questions you brought up and is mostly what I believe....Nonetheless you will still ridicule it as you are so closed to this type of info nothing I say would make a difference... This man Jim Willie has excellent information, has made many accurate economic forecasts and is well-connected to good sources within.

This will be my last post on this thread as you continue your condescending/ridiculous tone and this article suffices to answer most of your questions. I shall not waste neither your time or mine. Just know that you will not change my beliefs by name calling and I know yours will not be changed either as you stop your ears to this information...So I agree to have different viewpoints..

9/11 Memory: Fascism & Gold

 

[GaryA]

I'm hoping you can see the difference between a criminal conspiracy as defined by the police, and conspiracy theories so utterly bizarre they defy logic and proven science.

The only difference between "a criminal conspiracy as defined by the police" and a "NWO-level conspiracy" is who-the-criminals-are and the scope of the conspiracy.

And, you will eventually discover that so-called 'proven' science is not as 'reliable' a source of 'proof' as you think...

When considering whether or not a conspiracy "is" --- one must consider what effect that conspiracy - if it is truly existent - will have on reality. Who is lying to you? For example: If government officials are "in on it", you would be the biggest 'dupe' in the world to blindly trust the 'experts' that are put forth by the very people whose intentions are in question. People can be bought -- and, they can be coerced. And some -- those who are willfully part of the conspiracy -- will deliberately withhold the truth.

There are many in every realm of daily life -- political, religeous, science, education, [ and others ] -- that have lied -- in order to uphold the conspiracy that is the brainchild of Satan.


Who are you going to believe?


I suggest that you believe God:


Ephesians 6:

[SUP]12[/SUP] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

 

[GaryA]

9 11 conspiracy theories are all based on propaganda, fraudulent information and strawman arguments. I dont know how people still believe these ridiculous theories despite MOUNTAINS of evidence debunking them

The thermite...debunked....this was published in total hack publication that will publish any random article they rercieve
The explosive charges...debunked...close inspection of video clearly shows that the buildings were not in a state of free fall as the controlled explosion would suggest
The cut beams were proven to have been cut after the event and during clean up
The explosion on the ground floor was from ignited jet fuel that had spilled down into the elevator shaft, burns on the firemen were consistent with jet fuel burns
Pictures of plane wreckage are documented
Footage shows an object the size of a plane hitting the pentagon. A missile would not have taken out rows of light posts
Simply shredding evidence is a much easier way to dispose of evidence than destroying an entire building where passersby could dig thru the rubble to find it.....

You can say MOUNTAINS all day long --- I don't see you producing any evidence...

I don't know about any 'footage' of "a plane hitting the pentagon" -- show it to us.

The only thing I have seen is the well-known-and-highly-debated '3-frame' segment...

Show us the "proof" that those beams were cut after the event and during cleanup.

Go ahead -- show us the MOUNTAINS of incontrovertible "proof" that you speak of...

This belief that the rest of the world are mindless sheep and everyone else is lying is a testament to how delusional and gullible they really are

In a way, [ ALL ] people are "gullible by default" ( because -- they "always want to believe the best" in every situation - and, they do not want to consider any other possibility ) -- and, do not have to be "mindless sheep" - or delusional - to be "fooled"; the whole world has been deceived by Satan for a long time now...

 

[GaryA]

What amazes me about Christians who just believe the official narrative on everything without questioning and mock those who don't... also have to believe that a man lived for three days in a fish, another rose from the dead, 2 were created from mud, blind and lame people were healed, a virgin had a baby, a man killed 10000 with a donkey jawbone, another wrestled with God, another was brought to heaven, the earth was flooded and man survived by building a boat that took him a hundred years, the red sea was parted, manna fell from heaven, a staff turned into a snake, a river turned to blood and Jesus is going to return to earth in power and glory from space.... etc etc etc.

That is because most Christians -- while very willing to believe the 'God-side' of reality ( please understand the context ) -- are somehow not able to bring themselves to believe the 'Satan-side' of reality ( that it truly exists to the degree that it does ).

They refuse to allow themselves to believe in the full-extent of what Ephesians 6:12 is trying to get them to understand.

They will not allow themselves to believe that the "works of Satan" is as 'prolific' and 'widespread' as it really-and-truly-is in the world.

 

[Sirk]

That is because most Christians -- while very willing to believe the 'God-side' of reality ( please understand the context ) -- are somehow not able to bring themselves to believe the 'Satan-side' of reality ( that it truly exists to the degree that it does ).

They refuse to allow themselves to believe in the full-extent of what Ephesians 6:12 is trying to get them to understand.

They will not allow themselves to believe that the "works of Satan" is as 'prolific' and 'widespread' as it really-and-truly-is in the world.

He is the prince of the power of the air and he uses men to further his agenda in countless fields.

 

[GaryA]

He is the prince of the power of the air and he uses men to further his agenda in countless fields.

And, in contrast to the thread title, he is the real and true -- 'affliction' ---------- upon the whole human race.

 

[GaryA]

The only thing I have seen is the well-known-and-highly-debated '3-frame' segment...

And, it does not [ actually ] show anything hitting the pentagon.

 

[GaryA]

Footage shows an object the size of a plane hitting the pentagon.

I am really curious, now...


I would like to see this [ real-time photographic ] 'footage' of an airplane-sized object [ actually ] hitting the pentagon.

Your words...


Either that --- or you admitting that you just made that up...

 

[un2him]

What if it was a planned act of terror?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssmdD5l8Icg

 

[Dude653]

I am really curious, now...


I would like to see this [ real-time photographic ] 'footage' of an airplane-sized object [ actually ] hitting the pentagon.

Your words...


Either that --- or you admitting that you just made that up...

The plane was already on fire before it because it had already hit several light posts. This ignited the fuel lines that run through the wings to the engines. The image is hard to see because of all the smoke but if you look closely you can see an object that appears to be the size of a plane.... it just doesn't make any sense to go through all that trouble to fake a terrorist attack. Why not just launch few chemical or biological weapons into downtown Manhattan?

 

[GaryA]

The plane was already on fire before it because it had already hit several light posts. This ignited the fuel lines that run through the wings to the engines. The image is hard to see because of all the smoke but if you look closely you can see an object that appears to be the size of a plane.... it just doesn't make any sense to go through all that trouble to fake a terrorist attack. Why not just launch few chemical or biological weapons into downtown Manhattan?

"I'll be the judge of that..."

Show us the video. We can judge for ourselves about the smoke and the object...

"Put the video where your mouth is -- let's see it!"

 

[jaybird88]

Why did the Germans attack Russia during the winter?

funny you should ask. the nazies attacked because the communist had bombed the german parliament building. the problem is that the communist didnt do it, the nazies did it to justify war with russia.

where have we heard this story before?

 

[Sirk]

funny you should ask. the nazies attacked because the communist had bombed the german parliament building. the problem is that the communist didnt do it, the nazies did it to justify war with russia.

where have we heard this story before?

Sounds like Operation Northwoods.

 

[Dude653]

The average American. ..... 9/11 was an inside job. The government is lying to us about Islamic terrorism.
Same American. .... we have to elect Donald Trump to protect us from Islamic terrorism

 

[Sinnerman]

It's a long and winding road, dealing with conspiracy nuts. If you follow this thread from the beginning, many of these conspiracies were totally debunked. However, I'm willing to waste even more time debating them again. However, I've learned that conspiracy nuts always run from one conspiracy to anther rather than address the many flaws in their nonsensical theories. So we are going to get into the weeds only regarding the 9/11 attack on the pentagon. I'll dig up evidence that was presented before and fell on deaf conspiracy ears and try to convince them to answer questions this time. Here are some of the sources I pulled from post #53


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How Skeptics Confronted 9/11 Denialism

by John Ray
...Yet, in just under four years, the 9/11 “truth movement” has ground to a halt. Apart from the fundamental incoherence of their theories, the downfall of the 9/11 denier juggernaut was good old-fashioned skepticism at its finest, the kind that conjures visions of James Randi challenging psychics and faith healers on their home turfs and winning. Skeptics are better at their jobs than they think, and its important to give credit where credit is due.
Staking their fortunes almost solely on Internet-based content may have been the 9/11 deniers’ biggest mistake. What seems like a perfect place for pseudoscience — the Internet is un-edited, without fact-checkers or minimum publishing standards of any kind — also became a perfect place for a rapid-response system of blogs and forums to fight back. Drawing on the freely available technical information from the NIST, FEMA, and academic journals which most colleges let their students access for free, skeptical sites like ScrewLooseChange.blogspot.com and debunking911.com are able to defuse 9/11 denier claims as they arise...​

Important New Site ~ http://www.ae911truth.info addresses the misleading and deceitful conspiracy industries latest attempt at creating consumers for their products. From their blatant appeal to authority to misapplied science, ae911truth.info is a must for anyone seriously looking for truth.
New link ~ Frequently Asked Questions - "Why do you use the term "debunking" in your name? Doesn't that prove you already think you're right?"... "Why do you hide your identity?" "Who funds your site?"...The answer to those questions and much more are in the FAQ. Please read the FAQ before sending e-mail. Your questions about this site may already be answered.
New ~ WTC 7 explained in Structure Magazine. "Single Point of Failure: How the Loss of One Column May Have Led to the Collapse of WTC 7" points out that the failure of column 79 in the lower levels will create the very effect we see in videos
New ~ Quick Answers and links page. Quickly debunk the most commonly repeated conspiracy myths.
9/11 Conspiracy Theorists: "Don't ignore me, bro!" Evidence most people do not believe the towers were blown up.
Readers E-mails ~ Here are some thought provoking e-mails from our readers.
New Paper ~ Professor of Civil, Structural and Environmental Engineering at Cambridge University passes yet another peer reviewed paper by a RESPECTED engineering Journal saying the towers collapsed the way they did without the need of explosives.
Update ~ The real conspiracy, the administrations rush to war and the evidence for an investigation people should be fighting for.
Link ~ The Italian debunker does it again! Uninterruptible power supply on the 81st floor may be yet another explanation for the molten flow coming from the 81st floor window.
New Page ~ In Defense of Rosie. Why Rosie O'Donnell shouldn't be fired from 'The View' but should reexamine the WTC 7 collapse.
New Video ~ Frustrated fireman agonizes over not being able to go into "leaning" Building 7 and save it from certain doom.
Update ~ An Italian debunker over seas put an iron slab to the test. Shoots down Steven Jones alleged thermite photo. Badda Bing!
Uncomfortable Questions ~ Was the Death Star Attack an Inside Job?
New Search Engine ~ Debunking 9/11's "9/11 POWER Debunker" Over 200 9/11 related web sites and thousands of pages of facts, papers and commentary!
New Video ~ Did the BBC know the WTC 7 was going to be blown up or is this conspiracy story just petty revenge?
New Video ~ Shows us what he saw from the south side of Building 7!
Updated ~ The NIST and "Pancaking". More deception from conspiracy theorists...
Must Read! ~ 9-11 and the New Pearl Harbor (Part I) (Part II)
http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2577/9_11..._Harbor_Part_I
Reply to conspiracy theorist hit piece ~ Below and on the World Trade Center 7 page I respond to a conspiracy theorist's hit piece which mocks my grammar and distorts the firefighters quotes.
Debunking 9/11 exclusive! ~ Portion of World Trade Center 7 South Side Hole
Updated ~ Prof. Steven E Jones The controversial professor of BYU's Cold Fusion physics department and his scholars for truth. Jones is placed on leave with pay and my view on the topic.
Added ~ Examination of evidence concerning asbestos at the towers and occupancy at the time of the attack.
Debunking 911 Links - 9/11 Conspiracy debunking sites... Peer reviewed papers and articles on how the towers collapsed..
Molten Steel Explained - Conspiracy sites like to bring up molten steel found 6 weeks after the buildings fell to suggest a bomb must have created the effect. There is another explanation which is more plausible.
"Iron Burns!!! Mark R Ferran's E-mails to the scholars explaining to them how iron can burn/oxidize in low temperature fires.
The "Squib" Squabble - An examination of the evidence which squelches the "Squibs" issue.
Rethinking Thermite - The reality of thermite and an examination of the evidence
The Free Fall Fallacy - Photographic evidence the towers did not fall at free fall speed.
World Trade Center 7 - Firefighter interviews proving Silverstein meant "pull" the ongoing [rescue operations] out of building 7's immediate area. Proof also that Building 7 was a lot worse than conspiracy theorists lead you to believe.
Columns and Trusses - Photographic evidence the trusses sagged due to fire and pulled the columns in causing the catastrophic collapse.
Peer Reviewed Paper - A look at the only paper which passed peer review on what caused the WTC collapse and the people behind it.
The Fire - The fireman's quote saying all that was needed was two fire hoses to put out the fires is taken out of context by conspiracy theorists.
The Firefighter Quotes - Evidence that conspiracy theorists are lying and taking firefighter quotes out of context.
Civil Engineers' QuotesStructural and Civil Engineers who have spoken out against Controlled Demolition conspiracy theory.
Osama Bin Laden - "A few Arabs in the desert could not have pulled this off..." Why Osama is perfect for this attack.
The Zogby Poll - Conspiracy sites point to a Zogby poll which they suggest proves that the American people think the government blew up the towers. Why that's not the case.
Real Conspiracy - What a real conspiracy looks like. Ironically, this conspiracy goes unnoticed by the conspiracy theorists.
First time in history - Conspiracy sites bring up the fact that the towers were the first steel high raises to fall in history. The fact is the towers had a lot of firsts that day.
The Meeting - The absurd meeting which must have occurred between government accomplices if conspiracy theorists are right.
Sounds of Explosions - A look at a possible explanation for what some people saw and heard.
Massive Conspiracy - All the people who would have to be involved in order to pull this massive conspiracy off...
Debunking 911 Links - 9/11 Conspiracy debunking sites... Peer reviewed papers and articles on how the towers collapsed..

 

[Dude653]

Exactly. .... as I previously mentioned, if you want to fake a terrorist attack then why not just launch a few sarin gas missiles into downtown Manhattan. Like they did on that movie

 

[Sirk]

Exactly. .... as I previously mentioned, if you want to fake a terrorist attack then why not just launch a few sarin gas missiles into downtown Manhattan. Like they did on that movie

Well maybe that's coming. I think this more like chess than checkers.

 

[Sinnerman]

This was posted on the thread; still think 9/11 was a conspiracy, post #177. It's a starting point. Some of the conspiracy theories about flight 77 were defended during that thread by people who will probably make an appearance here on this thread and give similar responses to the evidence. They will say that all those witnesses were blind. They will change the subject and discuss something else about our government, maybe relating to Cuba, that proves they conspire against us. They will post a youtube video of the man on the above video, but there video will only play three seconds of his interview where he described the American Airlines plane as looking like a cruise missile with wings. They think by taking part of what he said, out of context, they are being truth seekers and somehow proving it was a missile attack. They will post cropped pictures of the scene that block out airplane debris they say was not at the scene. They will not discuss the fact that DNA from every passenger, except one baby, was discovered at the scene. They won't have any answers to the taxi cab driver who cab was struck by a light pole knocked over by flight 77 just before it struck the pentagon. How do they explain all the other light poles knocked over by the plane as it approached? They don't. They might suggest the pentagon has a sophisticated missile defense that should have been activated if a plane was coming towards it. Yet the pentagon has no such missile defense system. They don't want to discuss the C-131 flight crew that was in the air watching flight 77 as it approached and struck the pentagon, while exchanging their observations via radio that was recorded for all conspiracy nuts to see. It goes on and on.



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