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Just a little correction here.....He didn't say be nice to your neighbor He said Love the Lord your God with All your heart and all your soul and your neighbor as yourself.... We are instructed to love not to tell them what they are doing wrong. We point them to Jesus and His sacrifice and the Holy Spirts job is to do the convicting and convincing of sin and able to help us turn and not want to sin. Why do people think that is their job.... again instructed to love.... We can show a brother the error of their way but we certainly won't change them it is not our job.....
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Jesus lived in complete trust and dependence upon the Father, and the Father worked through Him. Paul lived in complete trust and dependence upon Jesus, and Jesus worked through Him. Likewise we now are to lived in complete trust and dependence upon Christ, and Christ works through us. That is the example left to us.
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The thing with fruit, it does not appear straight away, the plant and roots have to
grow first.
Some years, the fruit can be a bit scarce, then other years there is tonnes of it.
I think we are a bit like that at times, we wax and wane depending on the seasons
in our life. But fruit is still fruit and growth it still growth - onward and upward.
grow first.
Some years, the fruit can be a bit scarce, then other years there is tonnes of it.
I think we are a bit like that at times, we wax and wane depending on the seasons
in our life. But fruit is still fruit and growth it still growth - onward and upward.
Well said.....the orange tree is still an orange tree up to and including when the fruit is ripe. Many "fruit" inspectors are quick to thro the orange tree out if it doesn't have the "fruit" that they already have,
Then there is the self-righteous who have 100 oranges and they look down on those that only have one orange so far....and dismiss them as even being saved..Like they are...
What if that "orange tree " ( what makes it an orange tree is the seed ) dies for some reason before what men would deem to be "visible fruit" is seen...does that not make it an orange tree?
Then there is the self-righteous who have 100 oranges and they look down on those that only have one orange so far....and dismiss them as even being saved..Like they are...
What if that "orange tree " ( what makes it an orange tree is the seed ) dies for some reason before what men would deem to be "visible fruit" is seen...does that not make it an orange tree?
I'm reminded of some quotes from God in 1Cor.12, Romans 12, Ephesians4, Acts 20, 1Peter 5, oh wow...a ton of 'the poor' scriptures in Proverbs, Matt.20 and 23, and the list goes on. And you are wrong. We are to reprove, rebuke, correct, and exhort with the word of God. That's what the bible is for.
That quote is not true. We are not to mess with the deeds of darkness but rather EXPOSE THEM!
That quote is not true. We are not to mess with the deeds of darkness but rather EXPOSE THEM!
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I'm wrong about what? That The Church is Christ's and not ours? This is the only thing I can think that you might say is wrong since this is the primary statement I've made (and it's the same statement that you asked me to clarify).
Perhaps it is your turn to clarify, Yet. What are you talking about? What's your point?
Continuing to "expose" some personal events that occurred years ago is not edifying the church -- you're condemning the church based on your own personal experiences. I do not share your experiences. Most people do not share your experiences. Even if most people did share your experience(s), it wouldn't make anything "true" -- majority does not equal truth.
Perhaps it is your turn to clarify, Yet. What are you talking about? What's your point?
Continuing to "expose" some personal events that occurred years ago is not edifying the church -- you're condemning the church based on your own personal experiences. I do not share your experiences. Most people do not share your experiences. Even if most people did share your experience(s), it wouldn't make anything "true" -- majority does not equal truth.
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I see much fruit in your spirit and the BDF is blessed abundantly by your presence among us. Here are a few things I composed a while back on this subject, that I posted in a different thread:
As Christians, we are exhorted to bear fruit.
We know we are not trees, but only {metaphorical} branches, offshoots of the true vine, Jesus Christ. I believe He was the {metaphorical} tree of Life placed in the garden of Eden; He holds the keys to life and death; all life is in Him; He is author and giver of life etc, and eternal life is promised to those who surrender to and abide in Him (John 15:4-5).
The fruit we are to bear has different aspects to it. One is character building: the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Peter adds to this: make every effort to add to your faith excellence, to excellence, knowledge; to knowledge, self-control; to self-control, perseverance; to perseverance, godliness; to godliness, brotherly affection; to brotherly affection, unselfish love. For if these things are really yours and are continually increasing, they will keep you from becoming ineffective and unproductive in your pursuit of knowing our Lord Jesus Christ more intimately.
So our life surrendered to God, and our works through faith are fruit, and so are people who come to Christ through us (Rom 1:3; Phil 4:17), and there is also the fruit of our lips as we praise God and witness to others (Heb 13:15).
These are good fruits, partaken of when aligned with the will of God.
Evil fruits would be the result of disobeying God, defying God, following self will in opposition to God's will, severing ourselves from fellowship with Him, etc. That is the fruit Adam and Eve bore and ate (lived). They followed the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life, in turning away from God after being in fellowship with Him. It is what we all do before being regenerated by the Holy Spirit of God, and to an extent even afterwards, though through faith we keep returning our gaze to Him.
It may be that a lot of what I just posted has already been said here in your thread, and my apologies if that is so and I am simply repeating things... I have not read the whole thread, though I do very much enjoy reading your posts because the love of God is so very evident in them. God bless you!
As Christians, we are exhorted to bear fruit.
We know we are not trees, but only {metaphorical} branches, offshoots of the true vine, Jesus Christ. I believe He was the {metaphorical} tree of Life placed in the garden of Eden; He holds the keys to life and death; all life is in Him; He is author and giver of life etc, and eternal life is promised to those who surrender to and abide in Him (John 15:4-5).
The fruit we are to bear has different aspects to it. One is character building: the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Peter adds to this: make every effort to add to your faith excellence, to excellence, knowledge; to knowledge, self-control; to self-control, perseverance; to perseverance, godliness; to godliness, brotherly affection; to brotherly affection, unselfish love. For if these things are really yours and are continually increasing, they will keep you from becoming ineffective and unproductive in your pursuit of knowing our Lord Jesus Christ more intimately.
So our life surrendered to God, and our works through faith are fruit, and so are people who come to Christ through us (Rom 1:3; Phil 4:17), and there is also the fruit of our lips as we praise God and witness to others (Heb 13:15).
These are good fruits, partaken of when aligned with the will of God.
Evil fruits would be the result of disobeying God, defying God, following self will in opposition to God's will, severing ourselves from fellowship with Him, etc. That is the fruit Adam and Eve bore and ate (lived). They followed the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life, in turning away from God after being in fellowship with Him. It is what we all do before being regenerated by the Holy Spirit of God, and to an extent even afterwards, though through faith we keep returning our gaze to Him.
It may be that a lot of what I just posted has already been said here in your thread, and my apologies if that is so and I am simply repeating things... I have not read the whole thread, though I do very much enjoy reading your posts because the love of God is so very evident in them. God bless you!
J
." make a tree good and its fruit will be good" or "do you pick berries from a thornbush?" so basically u are saying a false prophet is recognized by bad fruit? but your saying they can fake good fruit and be a false prophet? I'm confused I'm sorry, truly, if I'm missing what ur saying. I believe that if someones words and fruit line up with Jesus word, there is no reason to doubt or accuse. The spirit in us will know the spirit. and the fruit of the spirit is real attributes Of His spirit living in us. God bless you thanks for taking the time to respond
J
You are welcome, thank you so much for your words of encouragement to everyone,
I really appreciate them; even when they are not directed at me they find their way
into my heart. You are an inspiration!
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I really appreciate them; even when they are not directed at me they find their way
into my heart. You are an inspiration!
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I am inspired myself by the One whop is our inspiration. anything of value any of us have to share with each other is found in the name Jesus Christ who died for and Lives for us. and God bless you that you share and participate in the inspiration that lives in each of us for the purpose of building one another up in truth and Love !!! you are a blessing