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[eternally-gratefull]

Maybe God has put me here to refute the garbage you spew

really? wow dude. You do not even know what I believe. You called me gnostic remember?

Consider yourself on report.

 

[Budman]

Maybe God has put me here to refute the garbage you spew

Why don't you just answer the man's question?

 

[phil112]

Yet again...

Answer regarding that verse and quit deflecting.

You sin, every day. According to 1 John 3:9, you are not born of God.

Go ahead....try and worm your way out of it.

Christ told you to stop sinning. Why do you think it is okay to live in disobedience to Him?
Do people that refuse to believe His command and deliberately disobey Him every day go to heaven?

 

[roaringkitten]

Maybe God has put me here to refute the garbage you spew

EG always promotes salvation by grace through faith. What have you contributed to this forum from a Biblical perspective?

 

[Budman]

Christ told you to stop sinning

So, you've stopped sinning?

Do people that refuse to believe His command and deliberately disobey Him every day go to heaven?

Do you disobey God and sin every day? How many of the sins you commit daily are intentional - or are they all accidental?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

It's pretty straightforward.

Those who are born of God do not sin, nor can they.

Keep wigglin'

cannot = impossible?

or

cannot = not allowed?

or Budman's choice

cannot = ?

 

[Budman]

cannot = impossible?

or

cannot = not allowed?

or Budman's choice

cannot = ?

Still wiggling I see.

Tell me, what is your interpretation of that verse?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Still wiggling I see.

Tell me, what is your interpretation of that verse?

You're the one trying to pin me down with that verse. I asked you for clarity what you think the word cannot means. I can't answer until I have clarity about what we're discussing.

 

[Nikki84]

Why don't you just answer the man's question?

What is this man's question? I have written him off to delusion yet willing to help. What is the question? For starters, that would help. I've seen nothing but anger at dead authors. Was there a question somewhere in that? His rant on dead authors leads me to believe he might be mentally unstable. In that case, i will pray for him

 

[Blain]

Seems I'm a little late to the party. If we are going into another sinless thread that's fine debating the truths of this matter has it's purpose, however..... Nikki you have no right speaking the way you do to my family on cc. I don't care if you say the worst kinds of things to and about me but I am going to have ask you politely to back off when you speak this way to my family.

If you want to debate fine do so in a mature and respectable way however if you are going to lash out and speak falsely then you should not be debating.

 

[Budman]

You're the one trying to pin me down with that verse. I asked you for clarity what you think the word cannot means. I can't answer until I have clarity about what we're discussing.

The word cannot means : Can not, can't.

One born of God can not (cannot) sin. It's adds the final nail by saying one born of God does not sin.

Yet, you still do.

*wiggle* *wiggle* *wiggle*

 

[Budman]

What is this man's question? I have written him off to delusion yet willing to help. What is the question? For starters, that would help. I've seen nothing but anger at dead authors. Was there a question somewhere in that? His rant on dead authors leads me to believe he might be mentally unstable. In that case, i will pray for him

His question: "HOW CAN HISTORY TELL YOU WHAT I BELIEVE?"

And just stop with the "mentally unstable" condescension.

 

[mailmandan]

Please tell them that. They, imo, think any work for God is not warrented. From what I have witnessed here with this new gospel is its a do nothing gospel. I don't get it. Any move to do Gods will seems like evil to them. I can't understand it.

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 ) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). That's not a new gospel and the "good news" is not do something to help save yourself because what Christ did is insufficient to save us. The gospel is not a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. The gospel sets forth Christ crucified, buried and risen as the Savior of everyone who believes/trusts in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The word cannot means : Can not, can't.

One born of God can not (cannot) sin. It's adds the final nail by saying one born of God does not sin.

Yet, you still do.

*wiggle* *wiggle* *wiggle*

That's why I'm seeking clarity. Cannot is an ambiguous word. It can mean that it is impossible for a believer to sin, or that a believer is not permitted to sin, or maybe you have another meaning.

How do you interpret the word?

 

[Nikki84]

Seems I'm a little late to the party. If we are going into another sinless thread that's fine debating the truths of this matter has it's purpose, however..... Nikki you have no right speaking the way you do to my family on cc. I don't care if you say the worst kinds of things to and about me but I am going to have ask you politely to back off when you speak this way to my family.

If you want to debate fine do so in a mature and respectable way however if you are going to lash out and speak falsely then you should not be debating.

And here is the gang I'm talking about. You don't know me and I don't know you. All I can go by is posts directed at me. If you are defending a mentally unstable person please inform us so we can pray for this individual

 

[Budman]

That's why I'm seeking clarity. Cannot is an ambiguous word. It can mean that it is impossible for a believer to sin, or that a believer is not permitted to sin, or maybe you have another meaning.

How do you interpret the word?

Oh, just stop.

The word cannot means can't.

Period.

End of story.

Nothing "ambiguous" about it.

Keep wiggling and diggin' that hole deeper for yourself.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Oh, just stop.

The word cannot means can't.

Period.

End of story.

Nothing "ambiguous" about it.

Keep wiggling and diggin' that hole deeper for yourself.

OK conversation over.

 

[Budman]

And here is the gang I'm talking about. You don't know me and I don't know you. All I can go by is posts directed at me. If you are defending a mentally unstable person please inform us so we can pray for this individual

Again. Stop calling him mentally unstable just because he asked you a question you cannot answer.

 

[Budman]

OK conversation over.

Uh huh.

It's over because your theology has backed you right into a corner for everyone to see.

 

[Nikki84]

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 ) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). That's not a new gospel and the "good news" is not do something to help save yourself because what Christ did is insufficient to save us. The gospel is not a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. The gospel sets forth Christ crucified, buried and risen as the Savior of everyone who believes/trusts in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation.

Wow, totally condraticts your statement of righteous conduct