Children of the Promise

[DP]

Galatians 3.16

That's not saying what you think. It's only pointing to Christ's bloodline lineage from Abraham.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Adding these to the thread if they can be of help also

Gal 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed
were the promises made.

He saith not,

And to seedS, as of many;

but as of one,

And to thy seed,

which is Christ.

Gal 3:29
And if ye be Christ's,
then are ye Abraham's seed,
and heirs according to the promise.

Romans 9:7
Neither, because "they" are the seed of Abraham,
are they all children:
but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Romans 9:8
That is,
They which are the children of the flesh,
these are not the children of God:
but the children of the promise are counted for the seed

Abraham had 2 sons by two women (which are 2 covenants)

The seed of Abraham (according to the flesh/ Agar/the law) Ishmael
The seed of Abraham (according to the promise/ Sara/ Spirit) Isaac Gal 4:28

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit,
if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.

Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ,
he is none of his.

Luke 24:49
And, behold,
I send the promise of my Father upon you

Gal 4:28
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was,
are the children of promise.

Gal 4:29
But as then he persecuted him that was born after the Spirit,
even so it is now.

John 15:20
Remember the word that I said unto you,
The servant is not greater than his lord.

(Even in this way)

John 15:20
If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you;
if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
(since the latter will keep his saying)

Gal 3:29
And if ye be Christ's
then are ye Abraham's seed,
and heirs according to the promise.

1 Cr 3:23
And ye are Christ's;
and Christ is God's.

The children counted for seed.

The other which "persecute them" (shown in Ishmael towards Isaac)

Ishmael being Abraham's seed (according to the flesh)
which in Agar (answers to Jerusalem) which then was.

Whereas they which are "the persecuted" being Abraham's seed, after Christ,
is shown in Isaac (according to the Spirit) even they born after the Spirit (Gal 4:29)

The same counted for the seed (even of Abraham)
according to the Spirit (Gal 4:29)

Jesus acknowledges Abrahams seed after the flesh

John 8:37
I know that ye are Abraham's seed;
but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

Even as Agar answers to Jerusalem, (which then was)

Which killest the prophets Mat 23:37, Luke 11:47, Luke 13:34, Mat 23:31, Mat 23:34, 1 Thes 2:15)

Abraham's seed (according to the flesh)
shown as Agar answering to Jerusalem

Gal 4:25
For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is,
and is in bondage with her children. (John 8:31-37, John 8:44)

Whereas Paul just said they were as Isaac was, being children of the promise (drawing from Isaac)
not Ishmael (of Agar) which again answers to Jerusalem.

As Paul said,

Gal 4:28
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was,
are the children of promise.

The same being counted for the seed (Romans 9:8)

Pertaining to the promise (of the Spirit) even of Christ,
the seed of Abraham (to the both) the promises were made.

Also

2 Cr 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea,
and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh
persecuted him that was born after the Spirit,
even so it is now. (Romans 8:9 & John 15:20, & Ecc 1:9)

Some of these come out of my notes as I was looking at them before.

 

[KJV1611]

That's not saying what you think. It's only pointing to Christ's bloodline lineage from Abraham.

Galatians 3:16 KJV
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

So this verse is really saying that the promises (plural meaning more than one) made to Abraham and his seed (Christ) were that Jesus would come from Abraham's lineage.

or does it mean:

The promises were made to Abraham and his seed were actually not to Abraham's fleshly seeds but to Abraham and his one seed Christ.

 

[DP]

Have to learn to rightly divide God's Word...

In this section of Gal.3, Paul is speaking of the literal seed of Abraham that Christ would be born through, and to whom the Promise by Faith was at first given to:

Gal 3:16-18
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
KJV

It is with the following section of Gal.3, and earlier in verse 14, where Paul was speaking of that Promise by Faith also... being for believing Gentiles.

Gal 3:22-29
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV

 

[DP]

So what's my point in showing that distinction Paul made in Galatians 3 about the seed of Abraham?

Simple. Men's philosophy is always trying to come up with one-liners and slogans created out of God's Word which takes Scripture out its context. Man loves to make up those kind of slogans, and then run with it. Those on the pre-trib rapture especially are guilty of doing that, even abusing Paul's declaration that the day of the Lord will come "as a thief in the night" as a slogan to push their false pre-trib rapture, when Paul said that day is NOT to overtake those in Christ "as a thief" (1 Thess.5).

Then there's the "Left-Behind" slogan they use, which pulls an idea from Luke 17 about the first one 'taken' and turns it around out of the context of that Chapter, because per our Lord Jesus the first one 'taken' is like a dead carcase gathered to where the vultures are (Matt.24:28 and Luke 17:37).

Need I keep going?

That's what phrases like "his seed Christ" represents, just another one of those slogans created by men taking the Gal.3:16 verse out of its context about the lineage of Abraham, whom God first gave the Promise by Faith to, and it continued through Abraham's literal lineage until Christ's 1st coming to die on the cross to fulfill the Promise for all who would believe!

Now if those who are hard-headed don't understand that, then know that your doctrine about the 'mystery' Paul preached concerning Salvation going to the Gentiles would have been preached earlier in Bible history among GENTILES if they had known about it prior to Christ's 1st coming! So you slogan makers can't have your cake and eat it too! You cannot... just dump the bloodline lineage to which the Promise was first given through.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Verse 19 disappeared out of those Galation verses

Gal 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made.
He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:18
For if the inheritancebe of the law, it is no more of promise:
but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Gal 3:19
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,
till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;
and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Just popping that in there
(since we are learning how to rightly divide)

 

[DP]

Verse 19 disappeared out of those Galation verses

Gal 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made.
He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:18
For if the inheritancebe of the law, it is no more of promise:
but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Gal 3:19
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,
till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;
and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Just popping that in there
(since we are learning how to rightly divide)

So the seed of Israel is left out now? God forbid, of course not.

There's probably as many ten-tribed Israelites scattered among the Gentiles long ago that are in Christ's Church today just as there are Gentiles in the Church. And that's not even about the number of Jews who believe on Jesus today, which were not originally of the ten tribes of Israel.

And the fact that Paul's subject immediately in the previous Gal.3:18 verse is about Abraham, you cannot leave the children of Israel out of it.

Gal 3:18-19
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.


19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
KJV

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

So the seed of Israel is left out now? God forbid, of course not.

There's probably as many ten-tribed Israelites scattered among the Gentiles long ago that are in Christ's Church today just as there are Gentiles in the Church. And that's not even about the number of Jews who believe on Jesus today, which were not originally of the ten tribes of Israel.

And the fact that Paul's subject immediately in the previous Gal.3:18 verse is about Abraham, you cannot leave the children of Israel out of it.

Gal 3:18-19
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.


19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
KJV

You had left it out of post #204

 

[DP]

You had left it out of post #204

It was not my intention, otherwise I wouldn't have quoted the 'clear' verses at the end of the Chapter about the Promise by our Heavenly Father first given to Abraham being for ALL peoples, and not just the seed of Israel.

I suspect a major Biblical truth in God's Word is missing from your Bible study, that being about God's Birthright to a specific lineage of the children of Israel. It's very much related to that Promise by Faith first given Abraham. It continued to his son Isaac, then Jacob, then Joseph, and then to Joseph's sons, especially Ephraim. And per Gen.48 Ephraim's seed was to become "a multitude of nations". That relates directly to that Gospel Promise by Faith first given to Abraham. That's why it's impossible to exclude the seed of Israel from that Promise today.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

The thread is about "the children of promise". Paul writes these counted for the seed (not the children of the flesh).

Also what had been brought into the picture was the promises being made to Abraham and his seed (in respects to the one) not the many, but Jesus Christ.

Christ being the seed, even the Word made flesh, made of the seed of Abraham.

That verse just showed the law was added because of transgressions until the seed should come to whom the promise was made was in that one.

You said something about "learning how to rightly divide" in that post, and seeing that was a decent verse to the others point (left out). What was 'clear' was that was missing.

As Paul also said, For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us. Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God. Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts

You can suspect whatever things you want.

 

[KJV1611]

Have to learn to rightly divide God's Word...

In this section of Gal.3, Paul is speaking of the literal seed of Abraham that Christ would be born through, and to whom the Promise by Faith was at first given to:

Gal 3:16-18
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
KJV

If he's speaking of the literal seed of Abraham then why did he say "not seeds plural, as in many, but to one seed Christ"? The promise given to one seed (Christ) how do you turn that into the flesh children of Abraham?

 

[KJV1611]

So what's my point in showing that distinction Paul made in Galatians 3 about the seed of Abraham?

Simple. Men's philosophy is always trying to come up with one-liners and slogans created out of God's Word which takes Scripture out its context. Man loves to make up those kind of slogans, and then run with it. Those on the pre-trib rapture especially are guilty of doing that, even abusing Paul's declaration that the day of the Lord will come "as a thief in the night" as a slogan to push their false pre-trib rapture, when Paul said that day is NOT to overtake those in Christ "as a thief" (1 Thess.5).

Then there's the "Left-Behind" slogan they use, which pulls an idea from Luke 17 about the first one 'taken' and turns it around out of the context of that Chapter, because per our Lord Jesus the first one 'taken' is like a dead carcase gathered to where the vultures are (Matt.24:28 and Luke 17:37).

Need I keep going?

That's what phrases like "his seed Christ" represents, just another one of those slogans created by men taking the Gal.3:16 verse out of its context about the lineage of Abraham, whom God first gave the Promise by Faith to, and it continued through Abraham's literal lineage until Christ's 1st coming to die on the cross to fulfill the Promise for all who would believe!

Now if those who are hard-headed don't understand that, then know that your doctrine about the 'mystery' Paul preached concerning Salvation going to the Gentiles would have been preached earlier in Bible history among GENTILES if they had known about it prior to Christ's 1st coming! So you slogan makers can't have your cake and eat it too! You cannot... just dump the bloodline lineage to which the Promise was first given through.

DP will you admit that there are 2 Israel's in the bible? So far none of your compadres will admit to it. Could you explain what Romans 9:6 is talking about? What is "of Israel" and what is "they are not all Israel"... who are the 2 Israels?

Romans 9:6 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

 

[kaylagrl]

Kaylagrl the bible doesn't contradict itself. It's not going to say the children of the flesh are not the children of God in one place and then turn around and say that they are in another place.

And stop calling it replacement theology, the children of the flesh NEVER WERE the children of God. It is the Zionist that believe in replacement theology, you guys take the promises to Christ and those in Christ and give them to the antichrist Jews that had Christ killed. You have this upside down.

Quote"you guys take the promises to Christ and those in Christ and give them to the antichrist Jews that had Christ killed."

Which anti-Christ Jews? There you have it in a nutshell,as I said replacement theology =anti-semitic. I call it RT because that is the name of the doctrine you are peddling. If you knew church history you'd know that.

 

[KJV1611]

The thread is about "the children of promise". Paul writes these counted for the seed (not the children of the flesh).

Also what had been brought into the picture was the promises being made to Abraham and his seed (in respects to the one) not the many, but Jesus Christ.

Christ being the seed, even the Word made flesh, made of the seed of Abraham.

That verse just showed the law was added because of transgressions until the seed should come to whom the promise was made was in that one.

You said something about "learning how to rightly divide" in that post, and seeing that was a decent verse to the others point (left out). What was 'clear' was that was missing.

As Paul also said, For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us. Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God. Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts

You can suspect whatever things you want.

Think about this PPT. The only reason that Abraham was eligible for the promise was because he believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness.... same as us today. Abraham was in Christ just like we are in Christ.

Abraham was a seed of the promised seed before the promised seed came.... I hope that makes sense lol.

 

[KJV1611]

Quote"you guys take the promises to Christ and those in Christ and give them to the antichrist Jews that had Christ killed."

Which anti-Christ Jews? There you have it in a nutshell,as I said replacement theology =anti-semitic. I call it RT because that is the name of the doctrine you are peddling. If you knew church history you'd know that.

All Jews that haven't accepted Christ as savior are antichrist Jews. They don't confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

The Jews were never the children of the promises... why can't you understand that. There are 2 Israels, one flesh and the other spiritual. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were both physical Jews and spiritual Jews. They recieved the promises because they were in Christ, not because of their flesh bloodline.

 

[kaylagrl]

kaylagirl is anti-arab, anti-gentile, and anti everone except her favourite semites.


Kaylagrl can speak for herself just fine,thanks. I believe and take the Bible literally when the cues are there.I dont not believe it to be allegorical. When the Bible says "those who curse the Jews will be cursed and those who bless them will be blessed" I take God at His word. Apparently you don't. The Bible says the Jews are the "apple of His eye". Take it up with God if you have an issue,don't mock me for following Gods word.For those who don't know here is the history of the Replacement Theology...


Part of Satan’s strategy has been to infect the Church with what was historically called Supersessionism. This is the idea that God has replaced the Jews with the Church. It’s only in the 20th Century that this concept came to be known as Replacement Theology.

It argues that it was God’s plan from the beginning for Israel’s role as the people of God to expire with the coming of the Messiah and the establishment of the Church. Or, to put it another way, it was God’s plan for the people of God to morph from an ethnic group into a universal group.1
An example of this viewpoint among the early Church Fathers can be found in the writings of Melito of Sardis
The people [Israel] was precious before the church arose...But when the church arose and the gospel took precedence, the model was made void, conceding its power to the reality…The people [Israel] was made void when the church arose.

Karl Barth -The first Israel, constituted on the basis of physical descent from Abraham, has fulfilled its mission now that the Savior of the world has sprung from it and its Messiah has appeared. Its members can only accept this fact with gratitude, and in confirmation of their own deepest election and calling, attach themselves to the people of this Savior, their own King, whose members the Gentiles are now called to be as well. Its [Israel’s] mission as a natural community has now run its course and cannot be continued or repeated.

The far more common type of Supersessionism, and the type that has characterized the Church almost from its beginning, is called Punitive Supersessionism. It emphasizes Israel’s disobedience to God and their subsequent justifiable punishment by God and their displacement as the people of God.
To put it another way, “The Chosen People of Israel have been replaced by the Church because the Jewish nation acted wickedly and has forfeited the right to be the people of God.”4

It is this viewpoint that early on caused the Church to be infected with a virulent form of anti-Semitism. You see, for almost 2,000 years the Church at large, both Catholic and Protestant, has maintained that due to the fact that the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah, God poured out His wrath on them in 70 AD, destroying their nation and their Temple, and in the process, He washed His hands of them, leaving them with no purpose whatsoever as a nation.In short, because of their continuing disobedience and their rejection of Jesus, God has replaced Israel with the Church, transferring the blessings promised to Israel to the Church.Today this is called Replacement Theology, and those who still believe in it — the majority of professing Christians — consider modern day Israel to be an accident of history, with no spiritual significance whatsoever. Accordingly, they would deny that God has any special plans for the Jewish people in the end times. Again, to them, the regathering of the Jews and the re-establishment of Israel are simply accidents of history, with no spiritual significance.

As I’m sure all of you are well aware, the Church began as a Jewish institution. It was founded in Judea by Jews who were followers of a Jewish Messiah, and all its founding documents were written by Jews.


Now, as the Church began to spread beyond its Judean origin, and as it embraced more and more Gentiles, it quickly lost touch with its Jewish roots. This process was accelerated by the destruction of the mother church in Jerusalem during the Second Jewish Revolt against the Romans that ended in 136 AD.
Another key to the Gentilizing of the Church was the development of an allegorical hermeneutical approach to the Scriptures that enabled the Church to appropriate Israel’s promises for itself. Thus Tertullian, writing in the 3rd Century, was able to argue that the promise of Genesis 25:21-25 that “the older will serve the younger” (speaking, of course of Esau and Jacob), was really a prophecy that Israel would become subservient to the Church!

As a result of these historical developments, Christian apologists, starting as early as the Second Century, began to turn against the Jews, characterizing them as “Christ Killers.” Consider the following examples:


Ignatius of Antioch (c. 50-117) — He said that “those who partake of the Passover are partakers with those who killed Jesus.”8
Justin Martyr (100-165) — He claimed God’s covenant with Israel was no longer valid and that the Gentiles had replaced the Jews.9 Additionally, he was the first to identify the Church as “the true spiritual Israel.”10 And he declared that the plight of the Jews — their exile and persecution — had happened “in fairness and justice” because they had “slain the Just One.”11
Hippolytus of Rome (170-235) — He is considered by many to be the most important theologian of the 3rd Century. He was a student of Irenaeus. He declared that the Jews had been darkened in the eyes of their souls “with a darkness utter and everlasting.” He further stated that they were destined to be “slaves to the nations, not for four hundred years as in Egypt, nor seventy as in Babylon, but… always.”

Cyprian of Carthage said -I have endeavored to show that the Jews…departed from God and lost God’s favor… while the Christians succeeded to their place, deserving well of the Lord by faith, and coming out of all nations and from the whole world.We Christians when we pray, say “Our Father” because He has begun to be ours, and has ceased to be the Father of the Jews, who have forsaken Him.

The Council of Elvira (305) — This was an ecclesiastical synod of Spanish clerics that was held in what is now known as the city of Granada, located in southern Spain. The council voted to prohibit Christians from sharing a meal with a Jew, marrying a Jew, blessing a Jew or observing the Sabbath.

I will continue with another post as this is a long one.

 

[kaylagrl]

kaylagirl is anti-arab, anti-gentile, and anti everone except her favourite semites.

To continue....

We come now to a great turning point in the history of Christianity — namely, Constantine’s conversion to Christianity in 306 AD and his ultimate adoption of Christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire.

As we have seen, by the beginning of the 4th Century, Replacement Theology and its virulent anti-Semitism had become entrenched in Christian thought. And when Christianity was given the approval of the Empire overnight, the emperors began to enact into law the concepts and claims of the Christian theologians against the Jews and Judaism.In the Edict of Milan in 313 AD, favor was granted to Christianity while synagogues were outlawed. Another edict, issued in 315 AD, authorized the burning of Jews if they were convicted of breaking the laws. As the Church became increasingly dominant, further laws were passed that severely curtailed rabbinical jurisdiction, prohibited conversion to Judaism, and excluded Jews from holding high office or serving in the military.

As Clarence Wagner has summed it up, “Instead of the Church taking this opportunity to spread its Gospel message in love, it truly became the Church Triumphant, ready to vanquish its foes.”

The Council of Nicea-This is the historic Council that settled the Christological issue of the nature of the Son of God and his relationship to God the Father. Regarding the Jews, the Council changed the celebration of the Resurrection from the Jewish Feast of First Fruits to Easter in an attempt to disassociate it from Jewish feasts. The Council stated:

For it is unbecoming beyond measure that on this holiest of festivals we should follow the customs of the Jews. Henceforth let us have nothing in common with this odious people… In addition to calling them “odious people,” the Council also referred to the Jews as “polluted wretches,” “a most hostile rabble,” and “parricides.”

Eusebuis of Caesarea (c. 265-339) — He taught that the promises of Scripture were meant for the Gentiles and the curses were for the Jews. He asserted that the Church was the “true Israel.”

John Chrysostom said -The synagogue is not only a brothel and a theater, it is also a den of robbers and a lodging place for wild beasts…Jews are inveterate murderers possessed by the Devil. Their debauchery and drunkenness gives them the manners of a pig… This is why I hate the Jews.

[FONT=Roboto, MS Sans Serif, Geneva, sans-serif]He proceeded to deny that Jews could ever receive forgiveness. He claimed it was a Christian duty to hate Jews. And he claimed that Jews worshiped Satan.And this man was canonized as a Saint![/FONT]


[FONT=Roboto, MS Sans Serif, Geneva, sans-serif]Saint Ambrose, Bishop of Milan- The Jews are the most worthless of all men. They are lecherous, greedy, rapacious. They are perfidious murderers of Christ. They worship the Devil. Their religion is a sickness. The Jews are the odious assassins of Christ, and for killing God there is no expiation possible, no indulgence or pardon. Christians may never cease vengeance, and the Jew must live in servitude forever. God always hated the Jews. It is essential that all Christians hate them. [/FONT]

[FONT=Roboto, MS Sans Serif, Geneva, sans-serif]Saint Augustine-His only new contribution was his answer to a the frequently asked question, “Why has God allowed the Jews to continue to exist?” His answer was that although the Jews deserve death, they are destined to wander the earth to witness the victory of the Church over the Synagogue. [/FONT]

[FONT=Roboto, MS Sans Serif, Geneva, sans-serif]But in terms of Replacement Theology, he provided another cornerstone with his development of Amillennialism and his contention that the millennial kingdom had begun with the coming of Jesus and that the Roman Church was the fulfillment of the kingdom promises that were made to Israel. [/FONT]

[FONT=Roboto, MS Sans Serif, Geneva, sans-serif]So, by the mid-5th Century, Replacement theology and Amillennialism had become entrenched as doctrines of the Church, and the Jews had been demonized, condemned, and ostracized to the point that the Church had become a Gentile organization that was off-limits to the very people who founded it! [/FONT]

[FONT=Roboto, MS Sans Serif, Geneva, sans-serif]These views were reinforced by Thomas Aquinas-He further argued that: Jews should be compelled to work rather than live in idleness and grow rich by usury. Jews should be forced to wear a distinctive badge in order to distinguish them from Christians. Jews and heretics could be legitimately killed after a second warning.[/FONT]

[FONT=Roboto, MS Sans Serif, Geneva, sans-serif]Pope Innocent III argued that the Jews should not be killed because they should be left to wander the earth “until their countenance be filled with shame.” [/FONT]

[FONT=Roboto, MS Sans Serif, Geneva, sans-serif]Again, by the beginning of the Middle Ages in the 5th Century, two erroneous concepts about the Jews had become firmly established in Church doctrine: The Jews should be considered “Christ Killers” and should be mistreated accordingly. The Church has replaced Israel, and God has no future purpose for the Jews. [/FONT]

[FONT=Roboto, MS Sans Serif, Geneva, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Roboto, MS Sans Serif, Geneva, sans-serif]Anyone see a turning point here? This is why I am so strong against the false doctrine, Replacement Theology. Look up church history folks. Its not hard to find the truth for yourself.But I will lay it out for those interested in the next post.[/FONT]

 

[kaylagrl]

kaylagirl is anti-arab, anti-gentile, and anti everone except her favourite semites.


Luther became disillusioned and irritated with the Jews when they continued to resist his reformed Gospel. In 1526 he complained of the Jews’ stubbornness, and by the 1530s he was endorsing the common medieval stereotypes of the Jews, referring to them as “iron-hearted” and “stubborn as the Devil.”

By the end of his life, Luther had turned against the Jews with a vengeance. In 1543 he wrote a pamphlet entitled “Concerning the Jews and Their Lies.”57 The document was an anti-Semitic diatribe that served to summarize the Jewish hatred that had been accumulating for the past thousand years. In it, he referred to the Jews as: “A miserable and accursed people” “Stupid fools” “Miserable, blind and senseless” “Thieves and robbers” “The great vermin of humanity” “Lazy rogues” “Blind and venomous”

Luther then proceeded to make some startling proposals for dealing with them: Their synagogues and schools be burned. Their houses should be destroyed. Their Talmudic writings should be confiscated. Their Rabbis should be forbidden to teach. Their money should be taken from them. They should be compelled into forced labor.

Folks does this sound Christlike to you!? Or does it sound an awful lot like another "religion"? Where in the Bible does God condone this behavior?!

Needless to say, the Nazis gleefully quoted Luther as they rose to power and launched the Holocaust. In fact, Hitler referred to Luther in his book, Mein Kampf, as a “great warrior, a true statesman, and a great reformer.”

Now that IS NOT saying Luther would have agreed with Hitler.But from false doctrine Hitler took it to the next level. And we know what happened.

In 1924 at a Christian gathering in Berlin, Hitler spoke to thousands and received a standing ovation when he made the following proclamation: “I believe that today I am acting in accordance with the will of Almighty God as I announce the most important work that Christians could undertake — and that is to be against the Jews and get rid of them once and for all.”

Hitler then proceeded to talk about the influence of Luther on his life:
Martin Luther has been the greatest encouragement of my life. Luther was a great man. He was a giant. With one blow he heralded the coming of the new dawn and the new age. He saw clearly that the Jews need to be destroyed, and we’re only beginning to see that we need to carry this work on.
This is what can come of teaching false doctrine folks!

At the Nuremberg trials after World War II, the Nazi leader, Julius Streicher, defended himself by saying, “I have never said anything that Martin Luther did not say.”

The terrible truth that Christians do not like to face, and which many are unaware of, is that the Holocaust was the product of 1,900 years of virulent Christian anti- Semitism.

Speaking of the Holocaust, the horror of it tended to mute virulent anti-Semitism among Christian leaders after World War II. But in reality, it continues in a new form called “Anti-Zionism.”
Anti-Zionism is just anti-Semitism in new, sophisticated clothes. Whereas anti-Semitism sought to drive out the Jews from the lands where they lived, anti-Zionism refuses to accept their right to live in their own land.

http://christinprophecy.org/articles/the-evil-of-replacement-theology/

And here is the history of the Replacement Theology.And it is something I will always,always stand against no matter who mocks me.And it is still going on today! It must break the heart of God.

 

[KJV1611]

I see why you're so confused on this issue now Kaylagrl, you base your beliefs on the teachings of men rather than on the bible. The "church fathers" you quoted started off dead wrong, saying that the children of flesh are the children of God... exactly opposite of what the bible teaches.

 

[kaylagrl]

kaylagirl is anti-arab, anti-gentile, and anti everone except her favourite semites.


Lastly here is what the Scripture says...

What does the Word of God have to say about all this?

Ps-May all who hate Zion be put to shame and turned backward. Let them be like grass upon the housetops which withers before it grows up,with which the reaper does not fill his hand… Nor do those who pass by say, “The blessing of the Lord be upon you…”

With regard to the allegation that the Jews are “Christ killers,” the Word clearly identifies who murdered Jesus and makes it plain that the Jews were not exclusively responsible. You will find the identity of those responsible in Acts 4:27:
For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant, Jesus, whom You did anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel.
Notice who is listed here as those responsible for the death of Jesus: Romans, Jews and Gentiles. And someone else not named — You and Me! Yes, all of us are responsible for the death of Jesus, for all of us are sinners (Romans 3:23), and Jesus died for all sinners (1 Corinthians 15:3).

Regarding the idea that God has already fulfilled the land promises to the Jews during the time of Joshua, it is interesting to note that long after Joshua, King David wrote in Psalm 105 that the land promise is everlasting in nature and is yet to be fulfilled. The fact of the matter is that the Jews have never occupied all the land that was promised to them in the Abrahamic Covenant (Genesis 15:18-21). Under Joshua, they were given only the land that was promised to Moses.


Concerning the claim that the Jews have been rejected by God, there are a couple of biblical principles that need to be kept in mind. First, the Bible affirms that the Jews were called as God’s Chosen People to be witnesses of what it means to have a relationship with Him (Isaiah 43:10-12). And the Bible makes it clear that this calling is “irrevocable” (Romans 11:29).
You can find the calling in Isaiah 43, beginning with verse 10

“You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.I, even I, am the Lord, And there is no savior besides Me...So you are My witnesses,” declares the Lord…



The everlasting nature of this call is emphasized in Romans 11 beginning with verse 28:

From the standpoint of the gospel they [the Jews] are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.


In direct contradiction of Replacement Theology, the Bible teaches that the Jews have never been replaced with the Church by God because of their unbelief. In Romans 3 Paul asserts point blank that their rejection of Jesus has not nullified God’s faithfulness to the promises He has made to them:

What advantage has the Jew? [The Church: “None!”]Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God.What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it? [The Church: “Yes!”] May it never be! Rather, let God be found true though every man be found a liar…

Paul makes the same point again in Romans 11:1 where he asks: “God has not rejected His people, has He?” The Church’s response for 2,000 years has been “Yes!” But Paul’s response is exactly the opposite: “May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew…”



It is true that the Jewish people are currently under discipline because of their rejection of their Messiah. Over and over in their Scriptures the prophets said they would be disciplined if they were unfaithful, but always the promise was made that they would be preserved. An example of this type of prophetic statement can be found in Jeremiah 30:11 —

“For I am with you,” declares the Lord, “to save you; for I will destroy completely all the nations where I have scattered you, only I will not destroy you completely. But I will chasten you justly, and will by no means leave you unpunished.”

God has preserved them in His grace because He loves them. In Zechariah 2:8 God proclaims that the Jewish people are “the apple of His eye,” and He warns against anyone trying to harm them.

Another reason they have been preserved is because God is determined to bring a great remnant to salvation (Isaiah 10:20-22). This promise is made repeatedly throughout the Hebrew Scriptures and is confirmed by Paul in the New Testament in Romans 9-11. The salvation of this remnant is described in detail in Zechariah 12:10 where it says that at the end of the Tribulation the remaining Jews will come to the end of themselves and will turn their hearts to God in repentance and accept Yeshua as their Messiah.

That believing remnant will go into the Millennium in the flesh and will comprise the nation of Israel to whom God will fulfill all the promises He has made to the Jews (Isaiah 60-62). During the Millennium the nation of Israel will be the prime nation in the world through whom God will bless all the other nations (Zechariah 8:22-23).
In summary, the Word of God makes it clear that Israel definitely has a role and a future in the end times.

The Evil of Replacement Theology | Lamb & Lion Ministries