Legally Avoid Vaccines

[jaybird88]

i sincerely hope everyone is getting vaccinated. No, it does not cause autism or anything else. It's a duty of all citizens to try not and spread disease. Not being vaccinated puts other people at risk, not just yourself. This is a particularly nefarious superstition that is specious, by the way.

i dont get why some people will put 110 percent faith in a vaccine that they dont know where it came from, dont know whats in it, dont know who made it, dont know who really benefits from its use.

our Lord gave us an immune system, how about put a little faith in that.

any idea how these vaccines affect your immune system? what happenes to a car if you let it sit forever and never use it?

 

[Ultimatum77]

i dont get why some people will put 110 percent faith in a vaccine that they dont know where it came from, dont know whats in it, dont know who made it, dont know who really benefits from its use.

our Lord gave us an immune system, how about put a little faith in that.

any idea how these vaccines affect your immune system? what happenes to a car if you let it sit forever and never use it?

True God never said be sure to get vaccinated lol....he created the human body to have autonomous immunity, no need for foreign particles to do the job....

 

[jaybird88]

The doctor who published the article on vaccines causing autism has lost his medical license after it was discovered that his findings were fabricated

"that" doctor was one of many that came to that conclusion from doing the research.

autism was virtually unheard of a few generations back. but a few generations back a baby didnt get pumped full of fifty thousand different vaccines.
before vaccines no autism, after vaccines autism everywhere. you dont have to be a brain surgeon to see that something doesnt smell right here.

 

[jaybird88]

True God never said be sure to get vaccinated lol....he created the human body to have autonomous immunity, no need for foreign particles to do the job....

the sad thing is that our immune will not work proper with out getting what it needs which is natural food mostly fruit and veggys. a Christian should easily be able to see this. its our Lords natural order of things. one cant work without the other.
yet these evil entities are doing all they can to destroy this order. gmo foods are corrupting the natural food. synthetic drugs are corrupting us. they want us 100% dependent on them and forget that our Lord can provide.

 

[Ultimatum77]

the sad thing is that our immune will not work proper with out getting what it needs which is natural food mostly fruit and veggys. a Christian should easily be able to see this. its our Lords natural order of things. one cant work without the other.
yet these evil entities are doing all they can to destroy this order. gmo foods are corrupting the natural food. synthetic drugs are corrupting us. they want us 100% dependent on them and forget that our Lord can provide.

Yup that's true for anything, even modern industrialization although it has given man many conveniences it has taken the knowledge of living off the land away from him so much so that if grocery stores ran out of just in time inventory (which is usually 3 days) most people in cities would end up starving or cannibalizing to live...anything outside of God's order while it may appear convenient usually leads to disorder....whether technology, food, weapons, etc....all for good intentions but can be manipulated to do just as much evil with them....

 

[jaybird88]

Yup that's true for anything, even modern industrialization although it has given man many conveniences it has taken the knowledge of living off the land away from him so much so that if grocery stores ran out of just in time inventory (which is usually 3 days) most people in cities would end up starving or cannibalizing to live...anything outside of God's order while it may appear convenient usually leads to disorder....whether technology, food, weapons, etc....all for good intentions but can be manipulated to do just as much evil with them....

yep. it all points to a question i been asking myself for so long, why does mankind have to take everything so far.

when our Lord made this world, "it was good" and He left it at that.
today when we look around and say "this is good" we take "what is good" and change it. why???

 

[Kisses1990]

i dont get why some people will put 110 percent faith in a vaccine that they dont know where it came from, dont know whats in it, dont know who made it, dont know who really benefits from its use.

our Lord gave us an immune system, how about put a little faith in that.

any idea how these vaccines affect your immune system? what happenes to a car if you let it sit forever and never use it?

This is absurd. Have you ever taken antibiotics? Or Tylenol for a headache? Have you ever had any surgeries? Are you going to just not ever take medicine because your immune system will suffice? We get sick, we have problems, we are not perfect. I don't have any faith in vaccines, because I don't need faith. It's been proven scientifically to be harmless and there is a great deal of evidence and research. You are promoting a pseudoscience not unlike acupuncture or that black cats bring bad luck. It's not evidence based. All the evidence suggests that it's perfectly safe and very useful.

 

[jaybird88]

This is absurd. Have you ever taken antibiotics? Or Tylenol for a headache? Have you ever had any surgeries? Are you going to just not ever take medicine because your immune system will suffice? We get sick, we have problems, we are not perfect. I don't have any faith in vaccines, because I don't need faith. It's been proven scientifically to be harmless and there is a great deal of evidence and research. You are promoting a pseudoscience not unlike acupuncture or that black cats bring bad luck. It's not evidence based. All the evidence suggests that it's perfectly safe and very useful.

the idea that the immune system given by the Lord needs help is absurd?

proven scientifically, did you do the research? or did a drug company who stands to make millions do the research?

the natural system is not pseudoscience.

but lets say i am a fool and you are correct, vaccines, drugs and drug companies are out there for the greater good of mankind and the answer to all our problems in health. in todays world there is a drug for everything, pharmacy on every corner, yet today people are sicker than ever? why? according to your logic should we not be the healthiest generation ever?

 

[Kisses1990]

Umm, we more or less ARE the healthiest generation ever. We have the lowest infant mortality rate ever, the longest life span,....there was a time where you were lucky to make it to the ripe old age of 25. People died from all sorts of infections and things that are easily curable now. Long ago, fevers were deadly, everything was deadly. We didn't understand much about sanitation, we thought if we were sick, it must have been "bad spirits". Our immune systems are NOT perfect, God-given or not. Have you EVER been sick or taken any medicine? We have MRI and X-Ray machines. We have medical science to thank for all of these advances. Is it perfect? No. Of course not. But we more or less are the healthiest generation, and this generation will live the longest any generation ever has. Also, you can get vaccinated for free. No, I didn't do the research, but I have access to the information. So do you. It's all public domain. You can look up the exact study and research that has been done. Yes, our immune system does need help sometimes...every time you need to take antibiotics to help cure yourself of a bacterial infection... I never said the natural system is pseudoscience, I said that you being anti-vaccination is pseudoscience as it is not founded in real, legitimate science. Sorry, but you are being superstitious and irrational. This is not up for debate. The lie that vaccinations cause autism is just as much pseudoscience as psychics and palm readers...it just doesn't work and there is no truth behind it...

 

[jaybird88]

i dont mean to sound as if we should burn down every medical establishment, i am trying to point out that we take things to far. there are many great things medicine has given us. its nice to know u can take your kid to a docter when they break there leg. but i dont agree with taking your kid to a doctor every time they sneeze. i dont agree with 1 in 10 (not sure the exact numbers but its to much)kids being on a mental illness drugs.
there are many facts /truth that support that vaccines cause many illness such as autism. throwing a label on it as pseudoscience does not change those facts.
here is a truth, drugs are a multi billion dollar a year biz, bigger than manufacturing, bigger than construction, their profits come before our health.

 

[mar09]

This is absurd. Have you ever taken antibiotics? Or Tylenol for a headache? Have you ever had any surgeries? Are you going to just not ever take medicine because your immune system will suffice? We get sick, we have problems, we are not perfect. I don't have any faith in vaccines, because I don't need faith. It's been proven scientifically to be harmless and there is a great deal of evidence and research. You are promoting a pseudoscience not unlike acupuncture or that black cats bring bad luck. It's not evidence based. All the evidence suggests that it's perfectly safe and very useful.

Hi kiss, sure most of us have taken antibiotics, tylenol, and had a surgery... we had vaccines when we were small, and so did our kids. Now i have not found time (or bothered) to read more on the great deal of evidence as they call it abt med research for theres too much, but as more and more studies are done on natural remedies and cures, i am believing that there is soemthing to it that at least half of thre world has perhaps overlooked. There is starting to be evidence that vaccines are not perfectly safe now.

How abt probiotics, turmeric and other natural antiinflammatories, and please dont laugh--but i have heard and read people not going thru surgery by taking neutraceuticals and activated charcoal and plain old water. OF course theres a protocol and if some who tried these and it didnt work out, perhaps the dosages werent right--and most arent-- and it is not the Lord's will they heal and survive? For example a naturopath prescribes natural B1, b6 and b12 among other healing foods as chlorophyll rich green leaves to a sick person who's been taking synthetic b complex vyts for a month who finds no change in symptoms as pain etc... and the person recovers more quickly too, w/o the side effects and unnecessary burden on his kidneys and stomach health...

If ppl were fairly given the info and chance to weigh things as they are, they would choose what is good too, would they not?

 

[mar09]

PS. Of course there are quacks, as there are everywhere-- who adulterate products whether cereal, shampoos, fresh milk, corn, and medicine-- w/ scientific names we can hardly read or pronounce. Something like SLS, whatever that means but wx we dont need in shampoos, do we, or... and i cannot remember much what. But i like reading labels when wiating even when i dont remember all.. food items w/ hydrogenated veg oil, high fructose corn syrup, etc. The latter is said to be cause of much unnecessary sugar intake. and even babies' milks and foods are enriched w/ sweeteners that werent there before or in the original milks formulated i suppose. Or in the original coca cola... idk?

 

[jaybird88]

How abt probiotics, turmeric and other natural antiinflammatories, and please dont laugh--but i have heard and read people not going thru surgery by taking neutraceuticals and activated charcoal and plain old water. OF course theres a protocol and if some who tried these and it didnt work out, perhaps the dosages werent right--and most arent-- and it is not the Lord's will they heal and survive? For example a naturopath prescribes natural B1, b6 and b12 among other healing foods as chlorophyll rich green leaves to a sick person who's been taking synthetic b complex vyts for a month who finds no change in symptoms as pain etc... and the person recovers more quickly too, w/o the side effects and unnecessary burden on his kidneys and stomach health...

If ppl were fairly given the info and chance to weigh things as they are, they would choose what is good too, would they not?

i am all for the natural remedies.
remember the guy nostradamus, the guy that had visions of hitler and all that blah blah etc. many people dont know that he was a cutting edge physician in his day. he was one of the best at treating the plague and pretty much disagreed with most medicine of the day. but what was his secret to curing so many with plague, he would go out in the woods and spend hours observing nature, watching how sick animals cured themselves, which plants they ate etc. it worked and he was able to save many people.

 

[Kisses1990]

^^ What you just said about Nostradamus....I'm dubious about the claim, but let's put that aside. What you said about him observing nature...this is exactly the process of science. Observe, hypothesize, predict, test, repeat. So called "natural" remedies, holistic medicine, and homeopathic treatments are generally pseudoscience. If something is proven to work, it is embraced by general science. But I suppose you won't believe that because after all, we are in the "conspiracy theory" section. Most of these treatments will at best not do anything, at worst have bad or negative effects. The problem is when people take these "remedies" instead of consulting a real doctor and they end up in big trouble, sometimes dead.

 

[jaybird88]

^^ What you just said about Nostradamus....I'm dubious about the claim, but let's put that aside. What you said about him observing nature...this is exactly the process of science. Observe, hypothesize, predict, test, repeat. So called "natural" remedies, holistic medicine, and homeopathic treatments are generally pseudoscience. If something is proven to work, it is embraced by general science. But I suppose you won't believe that because after all, we are in the "conspiracy theory" section. Most of these treatments will at best not do anything, at worst have bad or negative effects. The problem is when people take these "remedies" instead of consulting a real doctor and they end up in big trouble, sometimes dead.

i know what science is. i also know the difference between science for profit and true science.
i would put more trust in a natural treatment than most drug company.
how many of your "real doctors" were connected to ely lilly? this is a company that admitted to lying to millions, hid damaging test results, and knowingly sold drugs that increased suicide risk.

why does a neuroscientist make twice as much working for a marketing company than what he could researching brain diseases that could help people? its things like this that people dont want to think about.

 

[jaybird88]

i always liked the phrase "it would take an act of congress. . ."
they are always dragging their feet and dont seem to get anything done. but there are a few ways to get them to get up off their lazy butts and do something, you can throw money at them, that works great for the rich, but what about us poor folks? well one way is if you have enough innocent kids die they might do something such as the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986.

 

[tanakh]

i dont get why some people will put 110 percent faith in a vaccine that they dont know where it came from, dont know whats in it, dont know who made it, dont know who really benefits from its use.

our Lord gave us an immune system, how about put a little faith in that.

any idea how these vaccines affect your immune system? what happenes to a car if you let it sit forever and never use it?

Millions of people died before vaccines were discovered. The Black Death was one of many such plagues that may have been prevented if Vaccines were around then. Our Lord gave them immune systems as well. They still died.

 

[Nautilus]

Anti-vaxxers are some of the worst people and should have their children taken from them.

 

[jaybird88]

Millions of people died before vaccines were discovered. The Black Death was one of many such plagues that may have been prevented if Vaccines were around then. Our Lord gave them immune systems as well. They still died.

and now we have so many dying from vaccines that congress has to pass special bills to help the drug companies because the lawsuits are overwhelming.

 

[jaybird88]

Anti-vaxxers are some of the worst people and should have their children taken from them.

children taken from parents trying to do whats best, sounds like something right out of nazi germany.