Is the last trumpet in 1 Thessalonians 4 and 1 Corinthians 15:52 the seventh trumpet in revelation? And if so doesn't that mean it's a post trib rapture? I haven't sided either or quite yet and it just seems there's good scripture on both.
1 Corinthian 15:52 "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed"
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Dan 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
Dan 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time(three and one half years).
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
This is something that you can sink your teeth in to,and is clear cut,and not obscure.
The Bible says that the saints will not be gathered unto Christ until the man of sin addresses the world,and gives his speech that there is no personal God to help them,but technology,and people's devices,can solve their problems,and try to achieve peace on earth,which this happens halfway through the tribulation period.
Then the Bible says he makes war against the saints,and overcomes them,and wears them out,and when he accomplishes to scatter their power,then all things are finished,which would not happen before the tribulation,and would not happen during the first half of the tribulation,because he has not addressed the world yet,that he is the solution to have peace on earth,so he can only scatter their power during the last half of the tribulation,which the Bible says it was given to him to make war against the saints,and they shall be given in to his hands for three and one half years.
God is allowing the world 7 years to cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and take the mark,and go against the truth,to the point of going against the saints,for God will not give up on the world,until the world gives up on Him,and going against the saints testifies that they surely do not want God,and do not believe He exists,and do not want the people that claim Him to even be on the earth.
That is why the Bible says that if the days are not shortened that God allows the antichrist to rule,which is three and one half years,no flesh would be saved,but for the sake of the elect He shortened the days,proving the saints are on earth,when he rules the last half of the tribulation.