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as a serious response to this.... I don't know for sure.
I was raised to believe that women were not to be "preachers", as in, pulpit type, over groups/churches...
Of course, there was Priscilla, who taught on an individual basis with her husband, which Paul was apparently ok with.
I'm getting to the point (slowly) that we as Christians have set up many of the teachings of Jesus and Paul as our own "new" Law, just like the Old Law. We worry about nit-picky details, and whether we are following what was taught us "exactly".
I'm not sure that was God's intention. We are under grace, not law. We are to be in the process of "becoming" more IN Jesus. Is it that important what the gender is of the person that helps others in their process of becoming?
Like I said, I don't know, at this point... my understanding is evolving, hopefully growing, and I'm still working on it in my mind.
Are we to be Christian "literalists" or "legalists"... or are we to be more in Christ?
I was raised to believe that women were not to be "preachers", as in, pulpit type, over groups/churches...
Of course, there was Priscilla, who taught on an individual basis with her husband, which Paul was apparently ok with.
I'm getting to the point (slowly) that we as Christians have set up many of the teachings of Jesus and Paul as our own "new" Law, just like the Old Law. We worry about nit-picky details, and whether we are following what was taught us "exactly".
I'm not sure that was God's intention. We are under grace, not law. We are to be in the process of "becoming" more IN Jesus. Is it that important what the gender is of the person that helps others in their process of becoming?
Like I said, I don't know, at this point... my understanding is evolving, hopefully growing, and I'm still working on it in my mind.
Are we to be Christian "literalists" or "legalists"... or are we to be more in Christ?
My, my, my..... here we go again, the woman can't usurp authority over the man blah,blah,blah,blah.
WHERE in scripture does it say that a MAN CAN? Lemme guess..... didn't look that one up, did you?
Matthew 20:25-28 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. [SUP]26 [/SUP]But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; [SUP]27 [/SUP]And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: [SUP]28 [/SUP]Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Mark 9:33-35 (KJV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And he came to Capernaum: and being in the house he asked them, What was it that ye disputed among yourselves by the way? [SUP]34 [/SUP]But they held their peace: for by the way they had disputed among themselves, who should be the greatest. [SUP]35 [/SUP]And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.
Mark 10:42-45 (KJV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP]But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. [SUP]43 [/SUP]But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: [SUP]44 [/SUP]And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. [SUP]45 [/SUP]For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Luke 17:7-10 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? [SUP]8 [/SUP]And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? [SUP]9 [/SUP]Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. [SUP]10 [/SUP]So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.
John 13:12-17 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you? [SUP]13 [/SUP]Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am. [SUP]14 [/SUP]If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. [SUP]17 [/SUP]If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
Haven't you read the parables of Jesus? Do you know how many of them (most) talk about servants?
It sickens me when men step on women to elevate themselves. Don't you know that when you lower them below yourselves, you lower Christ?
Tell me..... whose soapbox are you standing on..... the RCC's, or the Church of England, whose Bishop planted heresy in the KJV 1611 about offices & religious authority in the first place?
WHERE in scripture does it say that a MAN CAN? Lemme guess..... didn't look that one up, did you?
Matthew 20:25-28 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. [SUP]26 [/SUP]But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; [SUP]27 [/SUP]And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: [SUP]28 [/SUP]Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Mark 9:33-35 (KJV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And he came to Capernaum: and being in the house he asked them, What was it that ye disputed among yourselves by the way? [SUP]34 [/SUP]But they held their peace: for by the way they had disputed among themselves, who should be the greatest. [SUP]35 [/SUP]And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.
Mark 10:42-45 (KJV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP]But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. [SUP]43 [/SUP]But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: [SUP]44 [/SUP]And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. [SUP]45 [/SUP]For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Luke 17:7-10 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? [SUP]8 [/SUP]And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? [SUP]9 [/SUP]Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. [SUP]10 [/SUP]So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.
John 13:12-17 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you? [SUP]13 [/SUP]Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am. [SUP]14 [/SUP]If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. [SUP]17 [/SUP]If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
Haven't you read the parables of Jesus? Do you know how many of them (most) talk about servants?
It sickens me when men step on women to elevate themselves. Don't you know that when you lower them below yourselves, you lower Christ?
Tell me..... whose soapbox are you standing on..... the RCC's, or the Church of England, whose Bishop planted heresy in the KJV 1611 about offices & religious authority in the first place?
Fun fact, it was a woman preacher (joyce meyer) that led me to Christ in the wee hours of the morning while I was getting ready for work. My cell phone died that morning. Like it went kaput completely. So in stead of listening to my usual deathmetal music that morning, I sat down a flipped on the TV and for the first time ever I sat and watched her program..... The rest is well, all God. 
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I am really worried...concerned even...that you would somehow lump women with homosexuals
you really have stripped some gears with the comparisons you seem to be making
let's see if we have it straight now
women....homosexuals...liberals....
one thing to state you don't think women should be a pastor...but that is not what you did, is it!
you seem to show utter disdain for women...pastors or otherwise