Were you attacked as a new believer?

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I first read this topic as "Were you attacked BY a new believer" LOL Funny thing, I pondered it for a moment. lol
If you read some of the responses that could have been the title too. Many of us were a bit "aggressive" then. Whew! Good thing I've mellowed.

(Frightening thought. I have mellowed. lol)
 
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From my understand the enemy whispers to us. A major difference I noticed with being in the spiritual realm compared to this world is that those distracting thoughts and doubts are no longer there, in the spiritual realm I never thought or acting with my mind whatever i thought however I reacted or acted was all based upon what was in my heart. usually I am only taken there to be tested or for him to show me something and there is no sense of time there either.
But satan doesn't normally whisper to us directly that is what fallen angels are for but normally they whisper doubts they put worries in your mind anything they know will distract you from God or make you weak.

Things like doing the dishes first before reading the bible is sort of half and half, our minds tend to get distracted and busy and while not always they like to enhance that. I can easily see them wanting you to be worried about doing the dishes putting things on your shopping list anything to get you to not read the bible. But at the same time we have a choice in it they are only allowed to do so much there are absolute laws in this world like Gravity physics mechanics of this world and there are absolute laws in the spiritual as well which is why satan abides by them even in the book of job.

But While I am not the strongest or the best in this area of seeing and experiencing the veil of the spiritual many people would love to see and experience what I do however they are unaware how scary it can be. I met a demon face to face in this world i met a demon in the spiritual I met an angel face to face in this world as well. But being taken to the spiritual realm always happens when I am asleep and so it easily can be seen as a dream but no dream can allow you to actually go to such a place or be taken there.

When I went to hell the actual place with the lake of fire and everything the heat alone was beyond horrible but the humidity made it so much worse, even though I fell asleep before I was taken there i was seating so severely that my shirt was glued to my skin the thirst was beyond terrible I didn't know if I was in my physical or spiritual body at the time.
Even though I was saved i was taken there but there was a good reason for it and I even had one of my prayers answered in this experience to hear Jesus's laugh. I met Jesus face to face for the first time there a very unlikely place to meet him, but even so there was more to it my heart was tested in that place as well.

I often times receive what I used to call prophetic daydreams, a scenario or image plays in my mind and I can see feel what I am seeing, I can remember the texture and the feeling of the dirt the exact color and feeling of the sky the exact taste and smell. Some might call these visions but i can't say they are visions it's more like God is allowing me to see into the spiritual realm even as I would be typing in a thread on cc it's as if I was there physically and yet I was here physically.

I have been told by many I am something called a seer, apparently a seer is a type of prophet can see into the spiritual realm and such, I also will at times have a sense of knowing about things I hear God's voice words through my heart and will without meaning to sometimes because I always speak from my heart say something very prophetic. however I cannot see myself or even believe I am a prophet
As teens, (my older brother, a couple of my cousins, and I), we had a friend who lived in this very cool house. The house originally belonged to a Russian artist, who was friends with Thomas Jefferson. (It was in the Charlottesville area, and Monticello was just a mountain or two away. Everything in Charlottesville is about a mountain or two from Monticello, except for Monticello itself. lol) Being an artist, he made the house into a honeycomb layout -- 6 rooms in the house, each room was six sided, and the only way to go from one to the next was to come in from the outside.

Our friend got the master bedroom and his furniture was the artist's furniture. (Picture simple colonial pine furniture and you're picturing the furniture in the room.) And, of course, since there was no centralized heating system back then, each room also had a fireplace as the only source of heat.

In front of his fireplace was a 200 year old rocker. (The throw rugs and comforters were newer, of course. lol) This friend told us that he couldn't move the furniture around because the ghost would move it back during the night. And he saw the ghost for a split second out of the corner of his eyes once, but we smoked a lot of pot back then, so that could be explained away. But the ghost's rocker was used by the ghost to find out if he liked you or not. If he liked you, you'd feel a warm comfortable feeling. If he didn't, you'd get a cold, dank, goosebump feeling.

Only my brother had the guts to sit in the chair. He got the warm comfortable feeling. Then again, pot was involved and the fireplace was the heat source, so I don't know if what he was feeling was a spirit. I do know my brother and I have a few things in common. One is we don't lie.

Now, I wasn't yet a believer, (it was about 3-5 months before I became one), but no way was I sitting there. I really don't like feeling the creeps. I won't even watch scary movies, won't do roller coaster rides, and won't stick my hand anywhere blindfold. (I also don't do blindfolds willingly. lol) That's why I like that veil nice and thick.

I can't imagine facing some of the visions you had. I'd slap my physical-world face repeatedly if it even started. I'd run in traffic to avoid it. I am a complete coward when it comes to that realm, and God's going to have to take me screaming and kicking if he ever takes me anywhere but heaven.

I do believe you though.

As for whether you physically or spiritually went to hell? If it was physically, I'd guess you'd be stuck in soaked and hot clothes when you returned. Our bodies physically react to any kind of heat, so the evidence wouldn't go away that soon.

I'm not sure those visions make you a prophet though. What are you prophesying about from them? But, sure, "young men shall see visions."

Acts 2:17
“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams;"

(Looks like you might be getting the dreams for quite some time, too.)
 

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I was an online acquaintance with a guy on a non-Christian site. But we discussed Christianity a lot. He was angry and bitter towards God, not really believing in Him but allowing that if he did, he thought God was horribly unfair and unjust. He thought this because at one time he and a girlfriend had been considering accepting Christ, but his girlfriend was killed before she could make the decision, and he thought that it was horribly wrong of God to condemn her to hell before she could accept. So he turned his back on God.

I was praying in the Spirit one night over him and this situation. I received a vision of legions of angels rushing into what appeared to be a tunnel. I later asked him if that had any significance, he said it was spooky because she had died in a car crash under a freeway overpass. I told him to not be so sure she hadn't made her decision, and that she wasn't with God. He definitely softened his position against God because of this, and began considering Him again for his own life.

satan attacks me every day. he works hard and long to see to it that I am as stymied, stonewalled, and irrelevant as a human can be. Because he doesn't like the fact that Christ in me has the power to thwart his efforts towards others, and that I'm willing to participate with the Holy Spirit and use it against him. satan doesn't like that I'm enforcing Christ's authority and affecting people for God. So he tries to see to it that I can't. Each and every single day.

satan attacks those he fears are the biggest threats to him the hardest.
 
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What happens with our failures then? (I see a string of failures.)[/QUOTE

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we both have a very l-o-n-g string of failures in our lives...but through our failures, God has taught us
many things, compassion and how to recognize human-frailties in ourselves and others, so, along with His
teaching us, He has also been showing us how to over-come and handle and minister in His Way,
and not to crucify ourselves...
the prophets bear witness of much human weakness, and of course without
God showing us their humanity, we would nail ourselves to the cross, daily!!!

most of our Heroes of Faith went through many failures, from cowardice, doubt, adultery and murder....
our precious Moses had so much doubt, he even doubted his Heavenly Father.....

so, we who Love our God and Saviour, are definitely in good-company, whether we be weak,
working our way up or whether we be strong, continually striving to be better...
 
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Well Depleted I had an encounter of sorts before i was saved as well. Back then I was always fascinated with the supernatural specifically Ghosts but I never truly believed in them as I had never known any evidence of them. two friends of mine from highschool and I went to stay at an inn that was supposed to be haunted for real,the lady that gave tours there before we went to our rooms where we stayed had an accent that was obviously fake. But I went in there fully set in mind that it was all fake there was no ghosts i wasn't going to get my hopes up only to be let down. however Even so when we went into our rooms I heard a voice say hello to me, it was clearly a girls voice but it sounded strange it was like an echo whisper kind of sound it's very hard to describe but it was clear that I heard a voice and I must have had a stunned look because jessica my friend had a stunned look as well and Shenier my other friend asked us why had those faces.

Even to this day I still cannot fully believe that ghosts exist but it seems that even before i was saved I had a kind of connection to that realm, but I agree I don't think I am a prophet either but as for what I saw and said that was prophetic that is a bit difficult to explain I saw and experienced things that i didn't quite understand but there was a sense of knowing inside me specifically in my middle area of my body that is was prophetic.

I have only seen a few of these things actually happen many of them are apparently things yet to come, I have also had many prophetic dreams I have seen and experienced the rapture more times than I can count I saw the tribulation I saw the ground soaked in blood even the grass was soaked in it i have seen a giant meteor crash into earth causing a giant shock wave all over the entire planet cutting off all power and electricity I still have no idea about this one I can only find scripture about it from wormwood but it still doesn't seem to fit.

Much of what I am shown and experience I don't understand and it can be terrifying seeing and experiencing and encountering things but at the same time it can be wonderful because i have had the honor of meeting Jesus face to face God the father twice and the holy spirit a couple times, however satan has more than once tried to appear as Jesus to me as an imposter but I know Jesus he couldn't fool me
 

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I was an online acquaintance with a guy on a non-Christian site. But we discussed Christianity a lot. He was angry and bitter towards God, not really believing in Him but allowing that if he did, he thought God was horribly unfair and unjust. He thought this because at one time he and a girlfriend had been considering accepting Christ, but his girlfriend was killed before she could make the decision, and he thought that it was horribly wrong of God to condemn her to hell before she could accept. So he turned his back on God.

I was praying in the Spirit one night over him and this situation. I received a vision of legions of angels rushing into what appeared to be a tunnel. I later asked him if that had any significance, he said it was spooky because she had died in a car crash under a freeway overpass. I told him to not be so sure she hadn't made her decision, and that she wasn't with God. He definitely softened his position against God because of this, and began considering Him again for his own life.

satan attacks me every day. he works hard and long to see to it that I am as stymied, stonewalled, and irrelevant as a human can be. Because he doesn't like the fact that Christ in me has the power to thwart his efforts towards others, and that I'm willing to participate with the Holy Spirit and use it against him. satan doesn't like that I'm enforcing Christ's authority and affecting people for God. So he tries to see to it that I can't. Each and every single day.

satan attacks those he fears are the biggest threats to him the hardest.
Ricky that is soo amazing:D but are sure he attacks those he fears? he has attacked me many times has appeared to me in more ways than one I even met death himself once. But I can't believe it's because I am a threat to him I have yet to even begin to see myself any better than a worm
 

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Ricky that is soo amazing:D but are sure he attacks those he fears? he has attacked me many times has appeared to me in more ways than one I even met death himself once. But I can't believe it's because I am a threat to him I have yet to even begin to see myself any better than a worm
Perhaps making you see yourself as a worm is his attack? As long as satan can get you to think you're impotent against him, you will be.
 

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Compared to God, we are but worms.

But compared to satan, we're the army/navy/air force and marines, all rolled up into one.
 
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Lol
I like that RickyZ
But remember
We are not worms to God!
We are champs!
Silly feller...
You are funny!
 

Blain

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Perhaps making you see yourself as a worm is his attack? As long as satan can get you to think you're impotent against him, you will be.
Maybe so, it would make sense. Regardless of how I see myself I always felt God saw and thought and felt the exact opposite of me and I want very badly to see and know and understand and believe what he sees thinks says and feels about me but I have asked for a very long time and he hasn't done so yet.

But I trust him he knows what he is doing
 

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Maybe so, it would make sense. Regardless of how I see myself I always felt God saw and thought and felt the exact opposite of me and I want very badly to see and know and understand and believe what he sees thinks says and feels about me but I have asked for a very long time and he hasn't done so yet.
Actually He has. He thought enough of you to sacrifice His Son for you. What more does He need to do?
 

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Actually He has. He thought enough of you to sacrifice His Son for you. What more does He need to do?
You see there lies the problem, I want to believe it I want to know it I want to live it but I can't get myself to and I don't understand why it is so hard for me to do so. The more I think about the more i worry and the more stressful it is for me.

it used to be the exact same thing when I didn't trust him when I didn't love and care about others even though I became a Christian, but as I just focused on him and not what I am lacking I gradually learned and gained what I was lacking and so instead of worrying about it and only causing more stress in the same way I am letting him teach me and show in his own time and in his own way, handing him the situation and problem while I freely seek his heart and continue to move forward.

there is such freedom in handing him the situation and not worrying about it
 

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Every Christian under atack.Its doesn't matter you're new or experienced Christian.What is the purpose of this kind of fight? We suppose to show to the World.What kind of Christians we are.He has enemies.It's our enemies too.We overcome so easy any of Satans atack Because we stay with Him.Of course, it make us happy and satisfied in this way. His protection covered on, to born-again Christians only.Just take a read next verse about it, KJV.1John5;4, For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the World; and this is the victory that overcometh the World even our faith.; We know, the Satan and His angels are belong to this World.
 

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Every Christian under atack.Its doesn't matter you're new or experienced Christian.What is the purpose of this kind of fight? We suppose to show to the World.What kind of Christians we are.He has enemies.It's our enemies too.We overcome so easy any of Satans atack Because we stay with Him.Of course, it make us happy and satisfied in this way. His protection covered on, to born-again Christians only.Just take a read next verse about it, KJV.1John5;4, For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the World; and this is the victory that overcometh the World even our faith.; We know, the Satan and His angels are belong to this World.
Idk what kind of attacks you have been through but a lot of mine were in no way easy and I don't satisfaction for overcoming them, in fact Jesus had to save me from many of them.
 

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Yes............I call it boot camp. I got a black eye the same day i ministered to someone. My pastor said when we start ministering that we stir up demons. I had all kinds of things happen. I was ministering to a lady and her voice and eyes changed and she threatened me. Strange phone calls at all hours. This was after i received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. It teaches you spiritual
warfare and discernment.
 

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Yes, He hate Children of God.Every part of our life under His attacks.Unfortunately,many of Christians just don't care about it.And they spend a lot of time in pain because they stay unprotected.They can't stand against the evil Spiritual forces,Of course,They can't rich higher spiritual goal in their lives.God offer His protection for His Children only.It's our responsibility to use it.Take a look, what kind of protection is.The next verses say about that,KJV.Ephesians6;12-18, 12.For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,against the rulers of the darkness of this World against spiritual wickedness in high places.13.Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God,that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.14.Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;15.And you feet shod with the preparation of the Gospel of peace;16.Above all,taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.17.And take the helmet of salvation,and the sword of the Spirit, which is the World of God;18.Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints.It's everyday life for His Children.If we overcome like He is,He's ready with His rewards on this way,KJV.Revelation21;7,He that overcometh shall inherit all things;and I will be His God,and He shall be My Son.
 
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During my sophomore year in high school, I found Christ. I became well liked and well known throughout the school because I found a love that I have never experienced before.

But as I was getting more serious about Jesus, that popularity died down my senior year. When I came back, all my friends started spreading nasty rumors about me, I became one of the most liked people to the most hated person in school simply because I loved Christ. Attending a school that was full of atheists, it was hard. The bullying started at school, but then turned into bullying online. As much as I blocked and deleted, they kept coming back stronger.

I'm so sorry to hear what happened to you. That must have been hard.
 

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Honestly. I don't get it. I was stupid before saved and stupid after, so how am I supposed to know when it's my stupidity or Satan? (I don't pay much attention to him to notice. Even that could be my stupidity, but it just seems wiser to focus on God than if Satan is messing with me... most of the time. Lately, I wonder.)
That's kind of the hard part.

What was the work that I did to be saved and what was Gods Leading?

What sins do I come up with all by myself and what sins are suggested to me from the enemy?

Sometimes, you just know yourself and you know you aren't brilliant enough to come up with the plan that lead you to salvation. Equally, you know your weak points, and so does the enemy, so you kind of pay special attention to guard against those.

I suppose the answer is by faith. We won't know the exact scope of either side until we get to heaven. Some of us have been given glimpses, but I don't think anyone knows the whole picture down here.

Sometimes you just know. Too many coincidences all line up for good or for bad.