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1 Timothy 3:1 This [is] a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop (episkopos), he desireth a good work.
1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
An episkopos is an elder or an overseer and it is hard to see how a woman could be the husband of one wife which means that woman leadership will always be unbiblical. If a police officer was top of his or her class and committed a felony or exceeded his or her authority then it is no different then a woman exceeding her authority. It is unfit behavior in God's kingdom.
1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
An episkopos is an elder or an overseer and it is hard to see how a woman could be the husband of one wife which means that woman leadership will always be unbiblical. If a police officer was top of his or her class and committed a felony or exceeded his or her authority then it is no different then a woman exceeding her authority. It is unfit behavior in God's kingdom.
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Eve was functionally the first woman pastor in the Bible?
By Chuckt (C) 2-28-2015
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 2:15 ¶ And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened (obeyed, became obedient) unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
h8085 שָׁמַע shama` to obey, be obedient
1) God directly told Adam.
2) Eve instructed Adam.
3) Spiritual death came into the picture.
1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
g538↑ ἀπατάω apataō
How do you get the words of God taken away by charm (beguiling) if you actually heard the words of God? Eve said, “God said” but was that teaching from Adam or told to her from God Himself? The account I have was Adam was told directly from God not to eat from the tree.
What we have here is the first women pastor in the Bible and death entered into the world because she was deceived while Adam was not deceived.
By Chuckt (C) 2-28-2015
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 2:15 ¶ And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened (obeyed, became obedient) unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
h8085 שָׁמַע shama` to obey, be obedient
1) God directly told Adam.
2) Eve instructed Adam.
3) Spiritual death came into the picture.
1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
g538↑ ἀπατάω apataō
How do you get the words of God taken away by charm (beguiling) if you actually heard the words of God? Eve said, “God said” but was that teaching from Adam or told to her from God Himself? The account I have was Adam was told directly from God not to eat from the tree.
What we have here is the first women pastor in the Bible and death entered into the world because she was deceived while Adam was not deceived.
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[FONT="]"Paul, therefore, says, 'I do not permit a woman to be ateacher." The context here has to do with church order, and theposition of the man and woman in the church worship and work. The kind ofteacher Paul has in mind is spoken of in Acts 13:1, I Corinthians 12:28, 29,and Ephesians 4:11, God-called, and God-equipped teachers, recognized by theChurch as those having authority in the Church in matters of doctrine andinterpretation. This prohibition of a woman to be a teacher, does notinclude the teaching of classes of women, girls, or children in a SundaySchool, for instance, but does prohibit the woman from being a pastor, or adoctrine teacher in a school. It would not be seemly, either for a womanto teach a mixed class of adults."-p.48, 49, [/FONT][FONT="]WordStudies in the Greek New Testament, Volume II, by Dr. Kenneth Wuest[/FONT][FONT="], one of the NASB Bible translators.
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[FONT="]2Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, havingitching ears; [/FONT]
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[FONT="]2Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, havingitching ears; [/FONT]
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Guy you don't know what you are talking about and basically just making stuff up... here is the KJV
1Co 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
So did men wear veils as well? You don't veil your head you veil your face
1Co 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
So did men wear veils as well? You don't veil your head you veil your face
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If that is a list of exclusion and not inclusion then it is leaving out an awful lot, such as men without a wife. Are you saying the Bible says a man cannot even hope to be a bishop if he isn't married, let alone a pastor? Are all prophets married? Jeremiah wasn't. Wouldn't it make more sense that in those days polygamy wasn't unheard of?
1 Timothy 3:2 Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
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You two are as far away from God as anyone on this forum. Gladhanding and backslapping each other in glee, all while twisting scripture.
Context? You want context? Read the next scripture.
Paul clearly recognizes that some people have a different calling, a different temptation, than others.
Something foolish people here reject.
Context? You want context? Read the next scripture.
Paul clearly recognizes that some people have a different calling, a different temptation, than others.
Something foolish people here reject.