1Cor. 12, Romans12, Ephesians 4..

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Reminds me of an old proverb about a cat. The cat sat upon a hot stove and burned his posterior. The cat learned from the experience never to sit down again. He turned a bad experience into life long misery.

We will always have religious people who will make merchandise of Gods people. The does not mean that we should never fellowship together. It does mean that we should allow God to deal with these folks and seek the company of those who share a true love of the Savior.

If we do not we will go through life miserable and bitter toward things that God has given us that we might know His blessing.

I have noticed that many of those who distain church attendance also distain sharing what God has blessed them with for the common purpose of the body.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
coby said:
Nice chapters and that is how it will become, but you have to start somewhere and if everyone leaves church and there is no good alternative church like in Acts you get people who know nothing and live in sin praying for others, telling them it's just about having love breaks with the Lord and healing people or something like that. One guy in Holland is so sick of the church system and the pastor he had had some things wrong and he couldn't do anything. They wouldn't let him and he says pastors should work and not get paid. Now he has this group on Facebook going out with him to the street healing people and lately he said: people it's not such a good testimony if you are living together without being married and smoking while you lay hands on someone. People we should pay the full time evangelists. Yeah right. You know what? I'll just go to my cell group and we pray people get saved and discipled so they can disciple others.
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Do people have homes? Small groups so everyone can be free to minister 'one unto another'. They did it in the first couple of centuries.....why can't we. Here's the deal. We say we have faith yet we dare not do things the way God commanded because we fear it might not work? Oh really?
 
Persuaded...I've been patiently waiting. Did you read my comments on the scriptures in question?

And you know I wish everyone would quit with the accusations just because I use the word of God to teach on the biblical assembly.
 
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Yet said:
Do people have homes? Small groups so everyone can be free to minister 'one unto another'. They did it in the first couple of centuries.....why can't we. Here's the deal. We say we have faith yet we dare not do things the way God commanded because we fear it might not work? Oh really?
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Keep it in context. There are many places across the world where believers meet in small groups because they are persecuted and killed if they are found out.

Why can't you just thank God that in the USA He has provided a safe place for believers to meet and worship in freedom? Do you not understand that the reason the founding fathers framed this country like they did is to promote religious freedom? Are you not aware that Americas was great when God made her so because she allowed Christians worship without fear or favor of men?

You may well see your wish come true but I doubt you will like it when it does.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Yet said:
Do people have homes? Small groups so everyone can be free to minister 'one unto another'. They did it in the first couple of centuries.....why can't we. Here's the deal. We say we have faith yet we dare not do things the way God commanded because we fear it might not work? Oh really?
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We meet in a home and there are also bigger churches where they do both. They meet in homes also to do outreach and once a week in a mostly rented building, but Paul also met with the whole church in a building when that boy fell dead. They had both, big meetings where 1 or 2 prophecied and they went from house to house.
 
Yet said:
Persuaded...I've been patiently waiting. Did you read my comments on the scriptures in question?

And you know I wish everyone would quit with the accusations just because I use the word of God to teach on the biblical assembly.
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I responded to you. Check your threads.
You are the one with unwarranted accurations when you condem pastors and churches you do not know as being evil.
Every thread and post with your name on it is the same.
You have been so mistreated. Every church and pastor are evil. You are the only person who knows the truth.
All who disagree with you are foolish and dumb, don't understand, are not following the Holy Spirit, are false teachers.
As I have said before, I know there are evil pastors and churches, but when you say all or most are evil, that is a lie.
You are just as evil as those you condem when you lie about pastors and churches you do not know.
 
You'll never get it. Do what you want. If clear scripture can't reach you, neither can I.
 
Yet said:
I do not have a beef with these chapters. The church does. And the majority on this site does.
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I agree that the church should let each minister or if they have a song or testimony or a word let each one minister. I have been
fortunate enough by God's grace to experience this kind of church. And love working as well.
 
The church is the people of God, not necessarily a congregation of people. Each can minister in his/her own way outside of the congregation to the masses. The disciples who wrote theses chapters were traveling missionaries and we cannot use their style of ministry as a guide for stationary ministries. Some ministers have many duties that prevent an outside job, unless it is part time, and even that might interfere with whole mission of these ministers. If you wish to use the disciples lives as a template, they didn't work at anything other than preaching and were supported by the believers in the cities and towns that they traveled through. Stationary ministers are supported by the believers in their own areas and the support is divided up through payment from the general revenue provided by each believer in accordance with their faith and desire to support their church and pastor.
God gave every one different gifts and also, as is evidenced by the two different thoughts on this thread, different views on the same subjects. Each view is not necessarily wrong, but needs to be expressed and exercised in different ways. "Yet", if you have a desire to attend a church that is set up like you are describing, then God may be telling you to begin your own congregation with no paid pastor and everyone having a voice in the service. Thinking about it though makes me wonder what will happen if you congregation grows real big, The JWs do their churches similarly and are always building new buildings in a different area when the congregations get too big for the one building. They never make the one building bigger. I am not saying that you should join a JW church, but only that your idea might easily work, if you can find like minded believers. You might even draw the rest of us away from the style of church you dislike. I don't see either style of church as going against the word of God, but if it grieves your heart, I am sorry that you are being caused strife.
Sorry folks. I think I rambled a bit on this.
 
coby said:
Try to speak a bit kinder. Pastors and believers do listen to him:

https://thelastreformationmovie.com/nl/
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I started out dipping my arrows of truth in honey, and all I got was smart b--t responses. Go see my threads. It's perfectly scriptural to 'turn the heat up' verbally when the audience is in total smart mouth rebellion denial against the word of God provided.

Example: Jesus clearing the 'church' in Jerusalem. They wouldn't listen to Him.

MAtt. 23. The pastors would NOT hear Him. He resorted to calling these wolves charlatans and snakes. I have not hurled the 'snake' bomb yet. I'm about ready to.

So your premise about 'always be sweet and sensitive' with those that are rebellious doesn't wash with the word. Even Paul had to 'withstand' ignorance now and then. 'No small contention'. Acts 15:39 Paul and Barnabas parted company.

So instead of doing like everyone else and constantly trying to hang fault on the messenger, how about doing something really, really novel on this site.....answer the scriptures I present. The rest of the bible scholars here dance around them or twist them to fit 'church dogma'.
 
Yet said:
You'll never get it. Do what you want. If clear scripture can't reach you, neither can I.
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Clear Scripture teaches me every day. One thing is very clear. You are the false teacher. You are the one leading people into apostacy when you demonize pastors and churches and tell everyone that they are sinning when they follow the command to assemble on a regular basis. When you tell every one to avoid being a part of the ministry of a local church.

Tell me Yet, how are you obeying the command of Matt. 28:19,20?
How many have you lead to salvation in the last year with your bitter words?
How are you teaching all the Gospel when you only demonize churches and pastors?

You are an enemy of Jesus.
 
How can we prove notuptome was right, and yet was wrong? And prove yet was not just truing to see who has the passage in their bible or not? As Yet claimed in the following post??

Yet said:
Not silly at all. You see I have these chapters in my bible. It seems that few others do. I need to find out if my bible is a misprint. A factory defect. That's all.
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By posting his response, Where when someone said it was in theirs, Yet shouilld have repsonded ok thank you, How about anyone else. And when (if) he found everyone had them or not, He should have closed the thread. Then maybe start another thread if he wanted to discuss them. Did Yet do this?

Yet said:
Oh, so you have them in your bible eh? The problem is this. Wanting to apply them is one thing. So do I. But all the churches I've been in for decades will not allow them to be applied. Therein lies the problem.
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Thus yet is proven to be a liar (inn his response to notuptome) and a deciever.
 
Yet said:
I already know why these verses have been jettisoned and rejected by most of the 'church'.
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and there you go.

Yet has proven...

1. He is right, everyone else is wrong
2. He is not here to find out if these are in everyone bible (as he claimed) or even discuss the passages in hand He is here to force his believe down on everyone else.
3. His mind is made up. no one can change it.

ie, there is nothing to see, or discuss. Case is closed, As should thread be
 
Crustyone said:
The church is the people of God, not necessarily a congregation of people. Each can minister in his/her own way outside of the congregation to the masses. The disciples who wrote theses chapters were traveling missionaries and we cannot use their style of ministry as a guide for stationary ministries. Some ministers have many duties that prevent an outside job, unless it is part time, and even that might interfere with whole mission of these ministers. If you wish to use the disciples lives as a template, they didn't work at anything other than preaching and were supported by the believers in the cities and towns that they traveled through. Stationary ministers are supported by the believers in their own areas and the support is divided up through payment from the general revenue provided by each believer in accordance with their faith and desire to support their church and pastor.
God gave every one different gifts and also, as is evidenced by the two different thoughts on this thread, different views on the same subjects. Each view is not necessarily wrong, but needs to be expressed and exercised in different ways. "Yet", if you have a desire to attend a church that is set up like you are describing, then God may be telling you to begin your own congregation with no paid pastor and everyone having a voice in the service. Thinking about it though makes me wonder what will happen if you congregation grows real big, The JWs do their churches similarly and are always building new buildings in a different area when the congregations get too big for the one building. They never make the one building bigger. I am not saying that you should join a JW church, but only that your idea might easily work, if you can find like minded believers. You might even draw the rest of us away from the style of church you dislike. I don't see either style of church as going against the word of God, but if it grieves your heart, I am sorry that you are being caused strife.
Sorry folks. I think I rambled a bit on this.
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So you are saying that the bible template for the body of Christ assembly is outdated, wrong? Well at least you are honest about it. Dead wrong, but honest on your belief system. And a very dangerous place to be.

Im still holding to the word of God. I cannot compromise or join those that do not believe God had it right.

'There is a way that seems right unto a man but the end thereof is destruction.' Proberbs 14:12

'My people perish for a lack of knowledge'. Hosea 4:6

'Son of man, you are living among a rebellious people. They have eyes to see but do not see. Ears to hear but do not hear. For they are a rebellious people. Ezekiel 12:2

The NT warns of the last days apostasy thoroughly in no uncertain terms. All of you deny this truth.

Jetemiah 15. Your words were found. I did eat them.they were the joy and rejoicing of my heart....

I sat not in the assembly of the mockers.....

God tells the prophet ...let them return unto thee. But return not thou unto them.

And I will make thee unto this people a fenced brazen wall. And they shall fight against you, and prevail not against you. For I Am with you to save you and deliver you says the Lord. I will deliver you out of the hand of the wicked. And redeem you out of the hand of the terrible.

Some things never change.

Revelation 22:18 ...if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.

You guys are adding a boatload unto the word of God making it 'of none effect'. Mark 7:13 VOID AND NULL!

This is why the 'church' is dead, see: Sardis, and without power, and diseased with sickness.

And im the BAD GUY for trying to rescue the saints from all the bogus deception. Precious isn't it?
 
eternally-gratefull said:
How can we prove notuptome was right, and yet was wrong? And prove yet was not just truing to see who has the passage in their bible or not? As Yet claimed in the following post??



By posting his response, Where when someone said it was in theirs, Yet shouilld have repsonded ok thank you, How about anyone else. And when (if) he found everyone had them or not, He should have closed the thread. Then maybe start another thread if he wanted to discuss them. Did Yet do this?



Thus yet is proven to be a liar (inn his response to notuptome) and a deciever.
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I think he's trying to be funny and its not working.
 
so Yet, Someone asked you in another thread, I thought it was a good question.

Since you disdain the local church as you call it, Can you tell us what the local church should look like. How should it be assembled.
 
notuptome....
I totally agree with your post. I have met many in this very forum and chat room who are not regular church attenders, except perhaps Easter and CHRISTMAS. They spout off their reasons, and conclusions, but are not actually happy people to chat with. They do not understand that regular CHRISTIAN fellowship, building each other up, sharing, etc. is much more effective than trying to be a loner in this world. I recall one sad Sunday morning just a few years ago, right before Easter, my wife and I woke up to a very cold house. We discovered that our entire house had been ramsacked, all items of worth were stolen, our food was eaten, and our new car was missing. We had not only been asleep during this (Thank GOD!), but a gunman was at our bedroom door, just in case we woke up. Three thieves were inside our house close to an hour! I thank GOD that when I called my pastor, explaining to him what had just happened, that my church came to the rescue. We had NOTHING....our wallets, pocketbook, car, eating utensils, cell phones, personal pictures trashed in the rain, and so much more were taken! It was my church that fed us, provided the things we needed until we could get things back to normal. Those individuals who think that they do not need to be 'churched" are only fooling themselves.
 
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