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He says this here in Romans,
Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law:
that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Whereas earlier in the 1 Corinth epistle he also says,
1 Cr 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews;
to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
Which is followed up behind with
1 Cr 13:24 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
Although no one knows where that is there
But before all of those he says
1 Cr 9:8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? (and then he goes into what is written there)
Because as to them that know the law as one under (and refers to the law there) he might speak as a man
Romans 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say?
Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
Although that there seems to be more in accord with their ability to hear, but he does ask them if he says these things as a man and when then quotes the law when he appeals to the law not speaking the same, whereas on that one he didnt.
But I will go ask my husband
Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law:
that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Whereas earlier in the 1 Corinth epistle he also says,
1 Cr 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews;
to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
Which is followed up behind with
1 Cr 13:24 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
Although no one knows where that is there
But before all of those he says
1 Cr 9:8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? (and then he goes into what is written there)
Because as to them that know the law as one under (and refers to the law there) he might speak as a man
Romans 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say?
Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
Although that there seems to be more in accord with their ability to hear, but he does ask them if he says these things as a man and when then quotes the law when he appeals to the law not speaking the same, whereas on that one he didnt.
But I will go ask my husband
It's not horrendous to me, I could care less if women are Pastors or not. If my wife chooses to go against God's word then that's her perogative, it's not going to affect my love for her. Same with you, if you like women pastors then yea for you... just don't twist the bible to say something that it doesn't say.
I did not say it would effect your love for her. I said you seem to be such a staunch supporter of God's word, you yourself said, if it is in God's word we should obey it. Would you insist on your convictions by "ordering" your wife to cease and desist? You seem to be of the camp that takes Gods word with little understanding of exegesis, so are you consistent? God's word says woman submit you your husbands. So is she to submit, or not?
Your reply, that you would let her be, is inconsistent with your view of woman pastors. You can't have it both ways. It is either no woman pastor, and wives submit; or not. Which is it for you??
Your reply, that you would let her be, is inconsistent with your view of woman pastors. You can't have it both ways. It is either no woman pastor, and wives submit; or not. Which is it for you??
D
I quoted a sentence that does get an emotional reaction from most hetrosexuals. I really wasn't saying Utah is gay, nor was I saying women aren't bothered by that one.
I get offended when I'm considered a brainless hunk of meat. Most men get offended when their manliness is questioned. Sure. I've got no problems when folks get emotional over slander and ridicule, but Utah thought only women take it personally when it's about gender-related slander and ridicule. Different buttons to push, but same feeling -- offended.
I get offended when I'm considered a brainless hunk of meat. Most men get offended when their manliness is questioned. Sure. I've got no problems when folks get emotional over slander and ridicule, but Utah thought only women take it personally when it's about gender-related slander and ridicule. Different buttons to push, but same feeling -- offended.
C
Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Colossians 3:19 Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.
How did Jesus love the church? Jesus died for the church so husbands better be prepared to die for their wives and I ended up being a servant to my marriage partner.
Colossians 3:19 Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.
How did Jesus love the church? Jesus died for the church so husbands better be prepared to die for their wives and I ended up being a servant to my marriage partner.
J
It's just my opinion, but you can't tell me I'm not spiritual, and can't tell me, if there's a choice between a Spirit-filled woman preacher or none, that none is better. Nor could I be convinced a Godly woman should not teach and spread everything of the things of God she can, if the alternative is a Godless void from that person.
Nobody can demonstrate the instance of Paul admonishing women to be silent in church didn't involve a problem with chatty women at the time, in 1 Corinthians 14, as the contextual evidence is that Paul was dealing with a situation of disorder in the congregation. Nobody is even sure whether Paul's message was to married women, only, as single women can't ask husbands anything. There are those who think there was a problem with women chatting with their husbands during the service. While agreeing the woman is not to usurp the man, if a male pastor is available, there was an instance on this message board quite sometime ago, a testimony of a small, rural community, with no man, only a woman to lead the small church there. I agree that legalism that's hard and lacking in common sense, that could even result in a greater evil, such as a vacuum in the body of Christ, is to be avoided, as our Lord also demonstrated, when accused of being lawless by the Pharisees, when the Lord Jesus was doing what was right and of love, first and foremost.
I also think a Godly woman can have a public ministry in the media. Bottom line, we are not under the letter of the law, but the law of love. Rahab the harlot lied about the Jewish spies to protect them, and it was counted as righteous of her, granted such deception a rare circumstance, but the point that all law is not absolute. There are prophetesses in the Bible. Should they have kept their mouths shut, then? If God made an absolute rule women should sew their mouths shut, in terms of any public expression of the things of God, one must suppose He broke His own law, allowing any female to be a prophetess? Goofed, using Deborah as the only worthy person, apparently, to lead the wholly deficient men of Israel?
This is one of those matters that, if I'm wrong, if such thoughts aren't lawful, if God wants all women to just shutup, then I'm not perfect in any event, don't understand all of this, then, and God forgive me for listening to the likes of Jan Markell, who He will have to strike me dead, appear as a burning bush or something, to stop listening to such a good woman of God, whose fundamentalist ministry, I believe, is very much needed in these times. When I hear the things of God coming out of such a woman, better than the mouths of many men, I'm going to tune in to that woman, instead. The likes of Joel Osteen's church could do well to boot him, and replace him with Jan, my vote in the matter.
Nobody can demonstrate the instance of Paul admonishing women to be silent in church didn't involve a problem with chatty women at the time, in 1 Corinthians 14, as the contextual evidence is that Paul was dealing with a situation of disorder in the congregation. Nobody is even sure whether Paul's message was to married women, only, as single women can't ask husbands anything. There are those who think there was a problem with women chatting with their husbands during the service. While agreeing the woman is not to usurp the man, if a male pastor is available, there was an instance on this message board quite sometime ago, a testimony of a small, rural community, with no man, only a woman to lead the small church there. I agree that legalism that's hard and lacking in common sense, that could even result in a greater evil, such as a vacuum in the body of Christ, is to be avoided, as our Lord also demonstrated, when accused of being lawless by the Pharisees, when the Lord Jesus was doing what was right and of love, first and foremost.
I also think a Godly woman can have a public ministry in the media. Bottom line, we are not under the letter of the law, but the law of love. Rahab the harlot lied about the Jewish spies to protect them, and it was counted as righteous of her, granted such deception a rare circumstance, but the point that all law is not absolute. There are prophetesses in the Bible. Should they have kept their mouths shut, then? If God made an absolute rule women should sew their mouths shut, in terms of any public expression of the things of God, one must suppose He broke His own law, allowing any female to be a prophetess? Goofed, using Deborah as the only worthy person, apparently, to lead the wholly deficient men of Israel?
This is one of those matters that, if I'm wrong, if such thoughts aren't lawful, if God wants all women to just shutup, then I'm not perfect in any event, don't understand all of this, then, and God forgive me for listening to the likes of Jan Markell, who He will have to strike me dead, appear as a burning bush or something, to stop listening to such a good woman of God, whose fundamentalist ministry, I believe, is very much needed in these times. When I hear the things of God coming out of such a woman, better than the mouths of many men, I'm going to tune in to that woman, instead. The likes of Joel Osteen's church could do well to boot him, and replace him with Jan, my vote in the matter.
He says this here in Romans,
Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law:
that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Whereas earlier in the 1 Corinth epistle he also says,
1 Cr 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews;
to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
Which is followed up behind with
1 Cr 13:24 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
Although no one knows where that is there
But before all of those he says
1 Cr 9:8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? (and then he goes into what is written there)
Because as to them that know the law as one under (and refers to the law there) he might speak as a man
Romans 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say?
Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
Although that there seems to be more in accord with their ability to hear, but he does ask them if he says these things as a man and when then quotes the law when he appeals to the law not speaking the same, whereas on that one he didnt.
But I will go ask my husband
Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law:
that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Whereas earlier in the 1 Corinth epistle he also says,
1 Cr 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews;
to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
Which is followed up behind with
1 Cr 13:24 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
Although no one knows where that is there
But before all of those he says
1 Cr 9:8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? (and then he goes into what is written there)
Because as to them that know the law as one under (and refers to the law there) he might speak as a man
Romans 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say?
Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
Although that there seems to be more in accord with their ability to hear, but he does ask them if he says these things as a man and when then quotes the law when he appeals to the law not speaking the same, whereas on that one he didnt.
But I will go ask my husband
J
I believe this is true, with respect to God's perfection and standard thus, but there are worse sinners in scripture. There are levels of evil, obviously, in the human race, a vast distinction between Adolf Hitler and some guy who stole a pen from work, we all, made in the image of God, would agree, as well as God's appointed legal system that rules over us by government.
Luke 12:46-48 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Luke 12:46-48 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Nobodies perfect man. I sin, she sins, we all sin. Like I said I don't care if women preach or not, it's no different than any other act of disobedience.
Don't talk to me about exegesis man, the bible says what it means and means what it says. The final authority on whether a woman should be a preacher is the bible, not me.
Don't talk to me about exegesis man, the bible says what it means and means what it says. The final authority on whether a woman should be a preacher is the bible, not me.
C
Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
I wanted to stop following God because people make it so hard. People don't accept me. God kept calling me back and bugging my conscience. My identity is Him now.
It's no longer I that live but Christ that lives in me.
I wanted to stop following God because people make it so hard. People don't accept me. God kept calling me back and bugging my conscience. My identity is Him now.
It's no longer I that live but Christ that lives in me.
C
I wouldn't go that far.
King James Bible
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. -Mark 16:15
King James Bible
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. -Mark 16:15