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JesusIsAll said:
True, the reason for quoting it. But if the past is any measure, hard questions sort of go by the wayside, even on slower pages. This is also true of clear scripture verses that contradict what somebody is saying: they seem to have a way of not being commented on. The subject suddenly changes, you get personally attacked, or as if some troll suddenly stops serial posting.
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Ah you just don't believe the Bible.
 
JesusIsAll said:
Maybe that's why they're happy.
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Shhhh...don't say too much..next they will want to vote and act as if they are humans too...Oppps..too late!...:rolleyes:...the stupidity of people that don't study the scriptures with the historical and social setting of the time boggles my mind ...it's no wonder people come up with all kinds of strange things.....religious tradition can sometimes be an enemy of the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
AuntieAnt said:
My beloved son has been following Christ Jesus since he was three years old. The Lord called him and has used him to serve most of his life. He has never turned away (all praise, honor & glory to God!) though he was afflicted with terrible trials like Job. The world tried to snatch him away as it will do, but my son's heart never was overcome by it. God has held tightly to him and founded his feet on truth. He has a gift of godly compassion, knowledge, and music. Those are the areas God seems to glorify Himself through the most in his life. My son has encouraged me and other family members too many times to count, as well as pastors, friends and even strangers in the street. And he will be the first to tell you it's the Holy Spirit and not of himself.

My son is no fool. He is convinced that dating around trying to find a woman is not wise. He waited and prayed for years for a wife. The few times he has dated he broke it off as soon as it was apparent it wouldn't lead to marriage. He wasn't looking for a girlfriend. He was waiting on Christ alone to give him a precious wife.

Since he met Melita his countenance changed. His joy increased 100 times over! His health improved and his walk with God got even lighter. My son told me that all the troubles he endured in his life were worth it if it meant meeting Melita and having her in his life. I can't tell you how great the praises in my heart to God to witness my son & Melita's relationship.

All this to say.... if Melita says she's called to teach, preach, minister, encourage, sing, counsel, guide, disciple, or serve in whatever capacity the Lord urges her to do by His Spirit, I believe Christ for her. And any objections here are in vain.
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btw, i'm very grateful my boyfriend is supportive of me being in ministry. he always encourages me. we are both called to serve, and it's awesome that we don't see it as a competition. it's about expanding the kingdom of God by sharing the Good News! :D
 
Grace777x70 said:
Shhhh...don't say too much..next they will want to vote and act as if they are humans too...Oppps..too late!...:rolleyes:...the stupidity of people that don't study the scriptures with the historical and social setting of the time boggles my mind ...it's no wonder people come up with all kinds of strange things.....religious tradition can sometimes be an enemy of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Paul said a thing or two where he proclaimed his spirituality, or spoke as a man, and, nonetheless, voiced some righteous thinking. There's the letter of the law, but also the spirit of the law. I don't believe walking in light and love is always cut and dry, nor was the Lord Jesus one to avoid criticism, when up against cold legalists, who strained at a gnat, but swallowed a camel.
 
We are ALL called to go out and spread the gospel but a woman teaching doctrine to men is not what God wants. Refer back to law of first mention. Women are not any less adored by God but we do have a particular place in the realm of things and it isnt behind the pulpit. A church with a woman behind the pulpit is a church out of order.
 
There are some spiritually acute people on this thread, Sharkwhale has amazed me with his wisdom and spiritual insight for any one any age, and he is only 31. Stunned and AA are others. There is more, but I am not doing a check list here.

Lynn...your just nuts.
 
JesusIsAll said:
Paul said a thing or two where he proclaimed his spirituality, or spoke as a man, and, nonetheless, voiced some righteous thinking. There's the letter of the law, but also the spirit of the law. I don't believe walking in light and love is always cut and dry, nor was the Lord Jesus one to avoid criticism, when up against cold legalists, who strained at a gnat, but swallowed a camel.
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You can't make a doctrin of one or two texts and ignore the rest.
And they still haven't answered that it's not in the law and he might be quoting the phariseic guys who wanted them to shut up with the sarcasm from Paul afterwards. I think that is a far better explanation than that they made rumour.
He must be the husband of one wife.
We have a great pastor in Holland who was single 'til in his fifties. Great big church. He wanted to work with Castellanos with the cell group thing where the pastor's wife leads the women and they all have cell groups.
They said he couldn't be a pastor because he didn't have a wife.
For goodness sakes. So he couldn't work with them anymore.
Paul was single and preached.
 
JosephsDreams said:
There are some spiritually acute people on this thread, Sharkwhale has amazed me with his wisdom and spiritual insight for any one any age, and he is only 31. Stunned and AA are others. There is more, but I am not doing a check list here.

Lynn...your just nuts.
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Oh I agree! I learned so much from them today, and in a very short time too, because they came in late! Mostly what I learned was a closer discerning of spirits and how a bad spirit operates sometimes. Actually, you helped me with that too in a side conversation we had.

And I learned to listen even MORE carefully to His voice, because sometimes someone is right on something but we can't just think they will be right on everything, so His voice is constantly important. It's a total dependency. Thank GOD that when I am weak I am strong!


In fact, I've been waiting to hear more from them but I guess I'll just have to go check out their other posts if I want to hear them more.
 
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Grace777x70 said:
What is this "pulpit" thing?...this must be a man-made tradition of some sort......:confused:
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King James Bible
And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, and Meshullam.

What was the purpose mentioned in Nehemiah 8:4?

Nehemiah 8:2 And Ezra the priest brought the law before the congregation both of men and women, and all that could hear with understanding, upon the first day of the seventh month.

The answer is basically it elevated him so his listeners could hear but the importance of the pulpit is to communicate the importance of the Word of God that what God says is central and important.
 
Chuckt said:
King James Bible
And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, and Meshullam.

What was the purpose mentioned in Nehemiah 8:4?

Nehemiah 8:2 And Ezra the priest brought the law before the congregation both of men and women, and all that could hear with understanding, upon the first day of the seventh month.

The answer is basically it elevated him so his listeners could hear but the importance of the pulpit is to communicate the importance of the Word of God that what God says is central and important.
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Ahhh..ok....so it was just a practical thing...kind of like Jesus talking from a hillside...or any place where there is a need for people to hear someone speaking.....makes sense.....thanks!
 
coby said:
You can't make a doctrin of one or two texts and ignore the rest.
And they still haven't answered that it's not in the law and he might be quoting the phariseic guys who wanted them to shut up with the sarcasm from Paul afterwards. I think that is a far better explanation than that they made rumour.
He must be the husband of one wife.
We have a great pastor in Holland who was single 'til in his fifties. Great big church. He wanted to work with Castellanos with the cell group thing where the pastor's wife leads the women and they all have cell groups.
They said he couldn't be a pastor because he didn't have a wife.
For goodness sakes. So he couldn't work with them anymore.
Paul was single and preached.
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I agree. There's an entire Bible context, a decent list of women prophets, who obviously were given a leading role in spiritual matters of God, God not opposed to His inspired voice coming from a woman. If all women are to sew their mouths shut over the sin of Eve, this is a terrible contradiction. On the other hand, Paul's teaching seen in light of the established order of the congregation he was addressing, that there were men to preach, perhaps some uppity women in that congregation, as we know there was a problem with chatty women in the services at Corinth, things begin to make more sense.

You're right. Lifting verses out of context is a problem, error, very often. 1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. This verse, lifted out of context, somebody could claim Adam wasn't the transgressor, just the woman the transgressor, therefore shutup, and this would not be true! Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Paul could not have been speaking to the woman being a lone transgressor. And in that passage Paul is talking about usurpation of the man, the order to be maintained in that congregation, used the order in the Garden as an example, but what of my earlier question, of that rural church? Can you actually cop to such verses in this case? What man is usurped? There is no man to pastor, no man to usurp.

I know I'm as spiritual as other Christians. If I heard a woman proclaiming the gospel, speaking truth of scripture to people, the last thing, as in never, would be to tell that woman to shutup.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. So what am I supposed to do with this? Are the words of the Lord tainted, coming out of the mouth of somebody with the "wrong" genitalia, and in light we are all one in Christ? Again, why did God appoint some women prophets, to prophesy, then? The Lord has them prophesying, but some of you talk as if a woman shouldn't read the Bible out loud? In any event, it's bad exegesis to claim a couple verses negate the rest of the Bible context and teachings.

Paul spoke of not usurping the man leading the church, and this is good. In that church, the woman was not to teach. But I see his whole context one of usurpation of the man, of usurping church authority, again, what about that rural church, with no man to pastor? Close the doors, do something that would make any liberal atheist and the devil cheer? The answer is to remove that presence of Christ, destroy that congregation?

I could only see a Pharisee thinking this way, and the resulting world a little more Godless. Just my opinion, but I don't think the absence of God in the population can be outweighed by gender. If there's a man to preach, good, but if not? Just my opinion, but God speed to any voice of His truth. Call me a heretic, then. Catholics do. And I like being called a heretic.
 
This will probably tick a few people off, but I am well known for being rather blunt. There is nothing wrong with women teaching women or women teaching men who are not educated in scripture. The bible is clear though that a woman is to be submissive(not just a wife to the husband) but in the church and she is to be SILENT. In my opinion this who female preacher thing is just feminism infiltrating the church and women need to stop the mentality that "girls can do whatever boys can do" to be "equal" because we are put here for a reason and one of those reasons is to do what men can't.
 
JesusIsAll said:
I agree. There's an entire Bible context, a decent list of women prophets, who obviously were given a leading role in spiritual matters of God, God not opposed to His inspired voice coming from a woman. If all women are to sew their mouths shut over the sin of Eve, this is a terrible contradiction. On the other hand, Paul's teaching seen in light of the established order of the congregation he was addressing, that there were men to preach, perhaps some uppity women in that congregation, as we know there was a problem with chatty women in the services at Corinth, things begin to make more sense.

You're right. Lifting verses out of context is a problem, error, very often. 1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. This verse, lifted out of context, somebody could claim Adam wasn't the transgressor, just the woman the transgressor, therefore shutup, and this would not be true! Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Paul could not have been speaking to the woman being a lone transgressor. And in that passage Paul is talking about usurpation of the man, the order to be maintained in that congregation, used the order in the Garden as an example, but what of my earlier question, of that rural church? Can you actually cop to such verses in this case? What man is usurped? There is no man to pastor, no man to usurp.

I know I'm as spiritual as other Christians. If I heard a woman proclaiming the gospel, speaking truth of scripture to people, the last thing, as in never, would be to tell that woman to shutup.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. So what am I supposed to do with this? Are the words of the Lord tainted, coming out of the mouth of somebody with the "wrong" genitalia, and in light we are all one in Christ? Again, why did God appoint some women prophets, to prophesy, then? The Lord has them prophesying, but some of you talk as if a woman shouldn't read the Bible out loud? In any event, it's bad exegesis to claim a couple verses negate the rest of the Bible context and teachings.

Paul spoke of not usurping the man leading the church, and this is good. In that church, the woman was not to teach. But I see his whole context one of usurpation of the man, of usurping church authority, again, what about that rural church, with no man to pastor? Close the doors, do something that would make any liberal atheist and the devil cheer? The answer is to remove that presence of Christ, destroy that congregation?

I could only see a Pharisee thinking this way, and the resulting world a little more Godless. Just my opinion, but I don't think the absence of God in the population can be outweighed by gender. If there's a man to preach, good, but if not? Just my opinion, but God speed to any voice of His truth. Call me a heretic, then. Catholics do. And I like being called a heretic.
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All those texts about submission, silent, think it's about marriage. Lol good luck with that, I don't have to do that anymore anyway.
Corrie ten Boom preached to a prison full of men in the bush and they all came to the Lord. I think usurping authority what may not be done is when a woman takes over, herself, from the flesh, not God, in a marriage or in church. Then you get that text from Eve that you can open the door for the devil, if there's no covering. Saw that in those T.B. Joshua movies where a wife just hit up her husband and bossed him around. That was just a demon controlling the family. But the same can be true for men.
 
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