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JesusIsAll

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Sorry, you've lost so much credibility in your last few pages of tirades and self-puffery, including calling a woman a guy.
I don't try to look up the sex of everybody here, have no idea who you're referring to. You're really on some tare. Look, if you hate me, I'm fine with that. But let's make this the last response, okay? Just ignore me then, as this isn't really even meaningful. Be gratuitously nasty to somebody else, who cares to entertain you.
 

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This was the testimony of a real church situation, not anything I made up. I have no interest in making anything up. This is senseless, for you to cop to me creating situations. But okay. It's a congregation of sin you say. That's an answer. This is all I'm trying to understand, of those who are expressing some things in a very accusative manner, and I thank you for that answer. I think that, if you are condemning of these people, this one of the answers I suspected behind some of this, and wanted to hear if this is, in fact, the bottom line to some people. That's all. I appreciate your frankness. Anybody else condemning this congregation?
Oh my word! I apologize for accusing you? I did nlt
previously read where this was an actual situation. The answer is still the same though and I am nkt
condeming anyone. I answered by what scripture says. It's obvious you knew what the answer would be from the beginning and you're trying to play the victim card for these people as if they're victims of a possible sin against their will. If these people are not obeying scripture then they're condemning themselves. That's not me talking. That's the bible
 
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My husband did not know the Lord Jesus as His Savior although he grew up attending a protestant church. He read his Bible, knew a lot of scriptures, and even wore a cross on a chain. In fact, he eventually became an ordained minister. Yet he was spiritually lost, had no real joy and struggled with depression.

One day we were in a conversation about the Lord and he of course debated me into the ground with his brilliant logic and awesome recall of the scriptures. Afterwards, I silently sat on the edge of our bed watching him across the room at his desk with a smug look on his face and I felt so sad that he was in darkness.

I lifted up my eyes to heaven and said, "I give up, Lord! I tried but I can't reach him."

The Holy Spirit suddenly fell on me like a wave of a bird's wing or something and I sprang to my feet, walked over to his desk and what I said to him, I hardly remember. I do remember it was definitely spoken with exuberance. And I remember clearly that when I was done preaching, my husband's spiritual eyes were open.

I never in my life saw such a phenomenal change in someone as I did my husband. His facial expression changed right before my eyes and his countenance was of absolute joy! He grabbed his Bible and started reading aloud and every few moments would proclaim loudly, "I understand! I understand!" He was like a child, his heart was so light. It was a miracle of God's grace.

He left this earth some years back and is now in the Presence of the Lord for eternity. ♥ I praise Jesus for showing His love and mercy to my husband!

But according to some of you here, that exchange should have never happened.
 
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JesusIsAll

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Oh my word! I apologize for accusing you? I did nlt
previously read where this was an actual situation. The answer is still the same though and I am nkt
condeming anyone. I answered by what scripture says. It's obvious you knew what the answer would be from the beginning and you're trying to play the victim card for these people as if they're victims of a possible sin against their will. If these people are not obeying scripture then they're condemning themselves. That's not me talking. That's the bible
No, that's okay, delighted to hear you didn't pick up on this being a real situation. I wouldn't have mentioned it, were it not a reality, am not a person interested any creating debates or dilemmas. I know where I stand on this situation, but I was only looking to understand the bottom line with some views, not playing any victim angle, have not considered these believers sinful. All I was looking for was the core of the opposing view, with respect to people I have no reason, myself, to impugn their relationship with Christ. That's all, merely to see where people are coming from, their response to this issue, not even looking to argue anything. You say they're in sin, then that is what you say. Again, thank you for your answer.
 
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kaylagrl

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My husband did not know the Lord Jesus as His Savior although he grew up attending a protestant church. He read his Bible, knew a lot of scriptures, and even wore a cross on a chain. In fact, he eventually became an ordained minister. Yet he was spiritually lost, had no real joy and struggled with depression.

One day we were in a conversation about the Lord and he of course debated me into the ground with his brilliant logic and awesome recall of the scriptures. Afterwards, I silently sat on the edge of our bed watching him across the room at his desk with a smug look on his face and I felt so sad that he was in darkness.

I lifted up my eyes to heaven and said, "I give up, Lord! I tried but I can't reach him."

The Holy Spirit suddenly fell on me like a wave of a bird's wing or something and I sprang to my feet, walked over to his desk and what I said to him, I hardly remember. I do remember it was definitely spoken with exuberance. And I remember clearly that when I was done preaching, my husband's spiritual eyes were open.

I never in my life saw such a phenomenal change in someone as I did my husband. His facial expression changed right before my eyes and his countenance was of absolute joy! He grabbed his Bible and started reading aloud and every few moments would proclaim loudly, "I understand! I understand!" He was like a child, his heart was so light. It was a miracle of God's grace.

He left this earth some years back and is now in the Presence of the Lord for eternity. ♥ I praise Jesus for showing His love and mercy to my husband!

But according to some of you here, that exchange should have never happened.
I traveled in ministry, with my family. My father was the evangelist and did the majority of the speaking but we sang as a family. Down through the years there were times the Lord spoke to me in a service,not a doubt in my mind,and I would take the microphone and speak. The Lord later confirmed to me that I had been right to follow His leading. When you feel called to speak then speak. Your confirmation was the change in your husband. Do what you feel called to do and don't let anyone discourage you. Though you dont impress me as someone that listens to naysayers. :)
 
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AuntieAnt

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I traveled in ministry, with my family. My father was the evangelist and did the majority of the speaking but we sang as a family. Down through the years there were times the Lord spoke to me in a service,not a doubt in my mind,and I would take the microphone and speak. The Lord later confirmed to me that I had been right to follow His leading. When you feel called to speak then speak. Your confirmation was the change in your husband. Do what you feel called to do and don't let anyone discourage you. Though you dont impress me as someone that listens to naysayers. :)

Actually, every single time I get so overwhelmed with doubts or discouragement and surrender my heart to God crying, "I give up!", He takes over and moves through me with His power and might. I have about as much choice as a child who is being led by the hand by their parent. :eek:
 
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I don't try to look up the sex of everybody here, have no idea who you're referring to. You're really on some tare. Look, if you hate me, I'm fine with that. But let's make this the last response, okay? Just ignore me then, as this isn't really even meaningful. Be gratuitously nasty to somebody else, who cares to entertain you.
pink username, female. Blue, male. Not like you have to go research up anything. Just look.
 
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I don't try to look up the sex of everybody here, have no idea who you're referring to. You're really on some tare. Look, if you hate me, I'm fine with that. But let's make this the last response, okay? Just ignore me then, as this isn't really even meaningful. Be gratuitously nasty to somebody else, who cares to entertain you.
Mighty high on how I perceive you -- sorry not hated nor respected.. Your merely a kid playing your game.
 
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coby

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Actually, every single time I get so overwhelmed with doubts or discouragement and surrender my heart to God crying, "I give up!", He takes over and moves through me with His power and might. I have about as much choice as a child who is being led by the hand by their parent. :eek:
Halleluja, let Him preach and everyone else shut up, myself to start with.
 
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My husband did not know the Lord Jesus as His Savior although he grew up attending a protestant church. He read his Bible, knew a lot of scriptures, and even wore a cross on a chain. In fact, he eventually became an ordained minister. Yet he was spiritually lost, had no real joy and struggled with depression.

One day we were in a conversation about the Lord and he of course debated me into the ground with his brilliant logic and awesome recall of the scriptures. Afterwards, I silently sat on the edge of our bed watching him across the room at his desk with a smug look on his face and I felt so sad that he was in darkness.

I lifted up my eyes to heaven and said, "I give up, Lord! I tried but I can't reach him."

The Holy Spirit suddenly fell on me like a wave of a bird's wing or something and I sprang to my feet, walked over to his desk and what I said to him, I hardly remember. I do remember it was definitely spoken with exuberance. And I remember clearly that when I was done preaching, my husband's spiritual eyes were open.

I never in my life saw such a phenomenal change in someone as I did my husband. His facial expression changed right before my eyes and his countenance was of absolute joy! He grabbed his Bible and started reading aloud and every few moments would proclaim loudly, "I understand! I understand!" He was like a child, his heart was so light. It was a miracle of God's grace.

He left this earth some years back and is now in the Presence of the Lord for eternity. ♥ I praise Jesus for showing His love and mercy to my husband!

But according to some of you here, that exchange should have never happened.
Oh why do you keep making me weep and sob? This has filled me with joy.
 
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Sorry, it would only let me like your post once! :)

There are many times, many times, the hard question goes unanswered. I repeated this one three times, amidst people condemning of a woman leading a congregation, which I happen to agree with, on Biblical grounds, that a man should pastor. On the other hand, I cannot see it spiritual this church should be shutdown, and the question was avoided, by people who can, otherwise, wrail all day against women. I'm surely here less than you, but I have seen repeated instances where hard questions are wholly avoided, as well as clear scripture to the contrary unanswered. I can't count the times a precise post has been answered with non-sequiturs that avoid the issue, mine and others, people who make all sorts of claims who can't defend their claims. Finally, one person here said the pulpit of that church should be empty, then. I don't find that a good answer, when people have been growing spiritually and have been saved, with no man to fill in the gap. The guy tells me it all comes down to corn cobs. Neither is that so satisfying. I was seeking an answer, clearly from somebody not on my side of this, as a matter of fact, so I don't see where my question had anything to do with my sympathies for this church, which remain, and expecting anybody to agree with me. Simply, the question was completely avoided. Also, the Pharisees were great at letter-of-the-law pontification, often oblivious to righteous judgment.
 
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If you are referring to the scenario where a women preaches at a rural church where there are no men elligible to preach the scripture still stands. If she is usurping authority then she cannot preach. We can create scenarios all
day where we think there Is an exception to the rule
of what God commands but scripture will always stand. If a woman is preaching then it is not a true church anyway.
A true church or THE true church?
 
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If people obeyed the word of God it isn't a hard situation here. You are continuously creating situations where you act asmof
it's ok to go against scripture and it is NEVER ok. If the church cannot find an appropriate minister then they aren't a true church. They are deceived. They need go find a true church and not continue to congregate in sin. If it's wrong it's wrong no matter how you slice it

He desires mercy not sacrifice.
 
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If you are referring to the scenario where a women preaches at a rural church where there are no men elligible to preach the scripture still stands. If she is usurping authority then she cannot preach. We can create scenarios all
day where we think there Is an exception to the rule
of what God commands but scripture will always stand. If a woman is preaching then it is not a true church anyway.
Usurping authority is this and it doesn't matter what she is, a wife of a deacon or a member or a pastor or a pastor's wife:
I have this against you that you let the woman Jezebel speak who says she's a prophetess (not a pastor).
Then you invite the devil in and that's what submission means.
So prophetesses could speak, because the Holy Spirit just used them as a vessel, Anna spoke in the Temple to everyone, but 'the woman' means she was speaking and usurping authority herself.
A man who shuts the Holy Spirit up to speak through a woman is just as bad imo.
 
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This was the testimony of a real church situation, not anything I made up. I have no interest in making anything up. This is senseless, for you to cop to me creating situations. But okay. It's a congregation of sin you say. That's an answer. This is all I'm trying to understand, of those who are expressing some things in a very accusative manner, and I thank you for that answer. I think that, if you are condemning of these people, this one of the answers I suspected behind some of this, and wanted to hear if this is, in fact, the bottom line to some people. That's all. I appreciate your frankness. Anybody else condemning this congregation?
Your motives are sincere, of the heart, with love. :)
Sometimes we miss someone else's true intent, even though they aren't really hiding it, because love always hopes.
She has stated the truth a few times in different places and different threads.
She is not really angry and upset at you.
She is angry and upset at God.
She has a hard time accepting some things in the OT and it has her angry and upset.
She's dealt with a lot of anguish of late with her husband's medical condition.
She clearly states here plainly she gave up last autumn.
It does start looking like she's not even trying to be rational and the reason is her motive is anger and frustration and is coming from the place of gutwrenching pain and howling sorrow. Her fist is against the whole world right now and her protest has some validity but she won't get anywhere even though it does. Because whatever is not done out of love won't fix it ever.
 
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Should we start talking the stupidity of people who judge minor stuff so seriously that they call anyone who disagree "stupidity?"
There is a difference between something causing "stupidity" and calling someone "stupid"..Calling some one "stupidity" is your own making - not mine.....it's the "thing" that causes stupidity...not the people themselves....there is a difference..

Stupid is stupid....foolish and ignorance would be another good word for it...it's like reading the Old Covenant where it says to stone your child if he/she is disobedient. We live in the New Covenant of grace now so it would be stupid and foolish and ignorant of the truth to revert back to the Old Covenant.

If we don't read the scriptures in it's historical and social environment we come up with all kinds of scripturally ignorant religious practices which makes us ignorant and foolish. But everyone is allowed to have their own opinion. ..just make sure women never put their hair up as Peter talks about or the earth might open up and swallow them for their dis-obedience.....Just kidding...:)..they will not really be swallowed up...
 
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My husband did not know the Lord Jesus as His Savior although he grew up attending a protestant church. He read his Bible, knew a lot of scriptures, and even wore a cross on a chain. In fact, he eventually became an ordained minister. Yet he was spiritually lost, had no real joy and struggled with depression.

One day we were in a conversation about the Lord and he of course debated me into the ground with his brilliant logic and awesome recall of the scriptures. Afterwards, I silently sat on the edge of our bed watching him across the room at his desk with a smug look on his face and I felt so sad that he was in darkness.

I lifted up my eyes to heaven and said, "I give up, Lord! I tried but I can't reach him."

The Holy Spirit suddenly fell on me like a wave of a bird's wing or something and I sprang to my feet, walked over to his desk and what I said to him, I hardly remember. I do remember it was definitely spoken with exuberance. And I remember clearly that when I was done preaching, my husband's spiritual eyes were open.

I never in my life saw such a phenomenal change in someone as I did my husband. His facial expression changed right before my eyes and his countenance was of absolute joy! He grabbed his Bible and started reading aloud and every few moments would proclaim loudly, "I understand! I understand!" He was like a child, his heart was so light. It was a miracle of God's grace.

He left this earth some years back and is now in the Presence of the Lord for eternity. ♥ I praise Jesus for showing His love and mercy to my husband!

But according to some of you here, that exchange should have never happened.
Actually, "according to some of you" that is exactly what is supposed to happen, but you are so blinded by your personal opinion you won't see that.

A. Not a single person on here, (even the two I already said I don't believe are Christians), have ever said anything about a woman being permanently silent, and yet you are so absolutely sure someone has said just that. SILENT DURING SERVICES. Were you having a service in your bedroom? Because, if you were... whoa! That's weird.

B. If there is no man of God leading, then God will turn a man into a man of God, just like he did for you. God will have himself a people, and in doing so, he'll have himself a people with both genders there precisely because both genders are needed.

C. And to repeat for something like half a dozen, (maybe creeping up to a dozen by now), times -- WOMEN BEING SILENT IN CHURCH HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH WOMEN PASTORS. Never has, never will, but keep throwing up that strawman argument as if it even belongs in the conversation. Up there with importance of if women should wear pants. (Look way, way down the list of things to talk about, when we hit panted women.)

Honestly? Honestly, honestly, do I seem like a woman who has an easy time EVER being silent? And I am silent... DURING CHURCH SERVICES!
 
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I traveled in ministry, with my family. My father was the evangelist and did the majority of the speaking but we sang as a family. Down through the years there were times the Lord spoke to me in a service,not a doubt in my mind,and I would take the microphone and speak. The Lord later confirmed to me that I had been right to follow His leading. When you feel called to speak then speak. Your confirmation was the change in your husband. Do what you feel called to do and don't let anyone discourage you. Though you dont impress me as someone that listens to naysayers. :)
You got up during the sermon to speak?
 
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Your motives are sincere, of the heart, with love. :)
Sometimes we miss someone else's true intent, even though they aren't really hiding it, because love always hopes.
She has stated the truth a few times in different places and different threads.
She is not really angry and upset at you.
She is angry and upset at God.
She has a hard time accepting some things in the OT and it has her angry and upset.
She's dealt with a lot of anguish of late with her husband's medical condition.
She clearly states here plainly she gave up last autumn.
It does start looking like she's not even trying to be rational and the reason is her motive is anger and frustration and is coming from the place of gutwrenching pain and howling sorrow. Her fist is against the whole world right now and her protest has some validity but she won't get anywhere even though it does. Because whatever is not done out of love won't fix it ever.
Speaking of gut wrenching pain, you are so mighty impressed with yourself, aren't you? What you keep doing to people on this thread isn't discernment, it's self-righteous gossip. Haven't you caused enough pain yet? If you were sincere, you'd reach out instead of "discerning" to anyone ready for some good juicy gossip.... errr I mean "discernment."

I don't know Elizabeth yet, but I saw what you did to NU earlier. You caused doubt, specifically because you thought it would make you look important. A hell of a thing to do to a fellow believer. And now you do it again. If this is the best way to win your argument, silence might very well be the better alternative for you.

And, sadly, I know this opens the door to others to free them up to talk about Elizabeth now.

By any chance, were you the women who was shouting it to the rooftop on here last year that I was mentally unbalanced because I admit I have aphasia and on drugs? (BTW, I do have aphasia and I am on drugs, but the two aren't connected, and none of it is connected to mentally unbalanced.) This does feel familiar. I could be wrong, but you do feel familiar.

Well, at least I'm really asking you, instead of gossiping about you to others and pretending I discern.
 
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kaylagrl

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Actually, every single time I get so overwhelmed with doubts or discouragement and surrender my heart to God crying, "I give up!", He takes over and moves through me with His power and might. I have about as much choice as a child who is being led by the hand by their parent. :eek:
He works best in our weakness it seems.