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Progressive taxation....progressive regulation etc etc. The problem with your utopia is that you end up having to put certain segments of the population in death camps and or let them starve to death.
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ramx2016
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Kisses... it DOES NOT work!!
Name one country on Earth where this model has worked!! The Romans may be the closest we ever came...
And u never answered my question...
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Kisses1990
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My above post took awhile to post and was directed at "Sirk" so sorry for the continuity issues with this dialogue..
Anyway, ramx, I see your point. And that's an excellent question! "How would you reverse the all out corruption (both in gov and by the users) of the social programs we have today?"
I don't have all the answers. But I do believe that sitting back and allowing it all to stagnate won't solve anything. Moving gradually in a slight directions towards universal healthcare I think would be the thing to do. Constant revising and re-thinking how to better achieve it, and making sure the House of Representatives is in tact and it's not a rigged two-party system and our votes actually count would be a good start to help prevent greedy fame-driven politicians. People do abuse it. I'm not that familiar with the legalities of all this stuff, but maybe have mandatory drug tests in place for people on welfare? I'm not sure if they already do that. I'm sure there must be little things we could do to get the world a better place.
I don't think not having universal healthcare makes for a good place. All other first world countries have it and they seem to be doing alright. What's wrong with the U.S.?
Anyway, ramx, I see your point. And that's an excellent question! "How would you reverse the all out corruption (both in gov and by the users) of the social programs we have today?"
I don't have all the answers. But I do believe that sitting back and allowing it all to stagnate won't solve anything. Moving gradually in a slight directions towards universal healthcare I think would be the thing to do. Constant revising and re-thinking how to better achieve it, and making sure the House of Representatives is in tact and it's not a rigged two-party system and our votes actually count would be a good start to help prevent greedy fame-driven politicians. People do abuse it. I'm not that familiar with the legalities of all this stuff, but maybe have mandatory drug tests in place for people on welfare? I'm not sure if they already do that. I'm sure there must be little things we could do to get the world a better place.
I don't think not having universal healthcare makes for a good place. All other first world countries have it and they seem to be doing alright. What's wrong with the U.S.?
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kaylagrl
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Well Im not saying the healthcare system we have now doesn't need change,it does. But Im from Canada where we have free health care. First off, the sales tax where I was from was 15%. So I'd hardly call it "free". Also if you need a specialist you can wait a long,long time. My uncle had a bad injury to his knee,he couldn't even walk, he was in so much pain. It took him four months to get into a specialist. Treatment is the minimum level. I lost my aunt to stomach cancer at the age of 43 because they said she did not need further treatment than having her stomach removed. Had she had further treatment she'd likely be alive today. I have a childhood friend whose niece took a serious cancer and they raised funds to send her into the states to get proper treatment. So free isn't all that its cracked up to be and really is a misnomer.
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Kisses1990
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Yeah, sorry ramx, the post I made earlier wasn't to you, it was a reply to the other guy, so that's why it didn't contain anything relevant to what you wrote lol my bad. I'll start using the "reply with quote" button to make it more clear and assure this doesn't happen again. 
Such things are easy to afford when you rest under the American security umbrella.
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Kisses1990
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But you said name ONE country, I'll name several. Sweden, Denmark, France, Canada, Great Britain, Scotland, etc.. There is an AMAZING documentary by Michael Moore called "Sicko" that is about the healthcare system. I highly recommend you watch it with an open mind. I know it's easy to jump the gun and see that he's a liberal and there are many conservatives here, but really, before you judge, actually watch it all the way through. It's actually highly entertaining and informative.
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kaylagrl
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It certainly is! The Sound of Music family moved there... the uhhhh, Von Trapps. Ya,they have a lovely place up there in the mountains.
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ramx2016
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First I thought, I, was paying for universal Obama care.... am I wrong?? So you already have your universal healthcare.... or did I miss something?
In ref to the bolded above... what you have to understand is that once something (anything) is given... it can NOT be taken away... or whole cities will burn... it's just the way it is... so NO you can not drug test (or single out) welfare recipients...
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kaylagrl
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Quote " I thought it was the Christian duty to give to the poor and help people... the homeless, the sick, etc..."
It certainly is our duty. But big gov't isn't the way to do it and that is what socialism does. It simply cannot work that way.I already made my comment on the free healthcare.
All this is just a bandaid on a gut shot wound. If you're to truly fix it you have to have as a basis, a currency that has some purchasing power. But the central planners can control you better when you are indebted to them thru the money scam they have ran on you and me and all of us. What it looks like is this.....you deposit 10 dollars in your account....they loan out 100 dollars on that 10 dollars and charge everyone interest on it. Amplify that by 300 million americans and you got yourself a currency with less and less and less purchasing power and a populace further and further in debt with the mounting problems you are trying to fix with your spongebob square pants bandaid.
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kaylagrl
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I watched a Moore movie,don't remember which one. Anyway my hubby and I were dating at the time and he asked me to go with him. I agreed to go.When the movie was over he asked me what I thought, big mistake.
I told him why socialism doesn't work and in the next election he voted Rep. and hasn't looked back since. It sounds great in theory but doesn't work in the real world.
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ramx2016
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Man you made me cringe saying that fools name in here!! UGh...
Anyway, I assume you mean the universal healthcare deal with these countries...
Hey maybe it is the best thing going...
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kaylagrl
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Socialists devolve into Communists. Communists operate at the business end of a gun. Totalitarian socialism is communism. Ask Cuba how that has worked out for them.
Bernie is like Jim Jones saying go ahead and drink the Kool-aid.
Since this is the nice thing about Bernie thread I'd better add the nice thing is that Bernie is revealing the depth of indoctrination that has taken place in our youth. Thank you to the college education system in this country. Don't teach technical education but pump them full of socialism. Socialism is atheistic and denies God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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kaylagrl
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Winston Churchill said this about socialism: “…A socialist policy is abhorrent to the British ideas of freedom. Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and…worship of the state. It will prescribe for everyone where they are to work, what they are to work at, where they may go and what they may say. Socialism is an attack on the right to breathe freely.”
Margret Thatcher said,“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Solzhenitsyn called it home as well. Though I think he held a pretty low opinion of Sanders.
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kaylagrl
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Kisses1990
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There is nothing intrinsically atheistic about socialism. You can be a socialist and a christian, a socialist and a muslim, a socialist and an atheist, a socialist and a witch.
I wrote a big thing that I was proud of but I'm having some internet connection issues and it would let me post and now it's lost forever....grrrrr
Oh well, the main point I remember about it was that Bernie Sanders proposes that we could have free healthcare for everyone for the price of a cup of coffee taken out of all of our paychecks. It's totally worth it, especially in the long term. I want this country to have 100% free healthcare. That means, no hospital bills, no paying for any medication, etc... That's how it is in Great Britain. Yes, that means a tax increase, but it's not much and it's worth it. You're eliminating insurance companies and their power and stranglehold and their power to deny you insurance in the process. It's for the greater good. And it helps so many people that can't afford their medication. Old people need more social security as well, and young people need to not have 100,000 dollars worth of bills for trying to educate themselves in a good university.
As far as Obamacare, it's on the right track, but it's still not good enough and doesn't help everyone. Hillary wants to increase it and make it even better, but I don't think that's still enough. We need 100% FREE healthcare for all people, regardless of what their problems are. So you don't need to worry if you can afford your diabetes medication or heart medication and cancer and AIDS patients don't have to choose death over proper care. THAT is what christianity is about!
I wrote a big thing that I was proud of but I'm having some internet connection issues and it would let me post and now it's lost forever....grrrrr
Oh well, the main point I remember about it was that Bernie Sanders proposes that we could have free healthcare for everyone for the price of a cup of coffee taken out of all of our paychecks. It's totally worth it, especially in the long term. I want this country to have 100% free healthcare. That means, no hospital bills, no paying for any medication, etc... That's how it is in Great Britain. Yes, that means a tax increase, but it's not much and it's worth it. You're eliminating insurance companies and their power and stranglehold and their power to deny you insurance in the process. It's for the greater good. And it helps so many people that can't afford their medication. Old people need more social security as well, and young people need to not have 100,000 dollars worth of bills for trying to educate themselves in a good university.
As far as Obamacare, it's on the right track, but it's still not good enough and doesn't help everyone. Hillary wants to increase it and make it even better, but I don't think that's still enough. We need 100% FREE healthcare for all people, regardless of what their problems are. So you don't need to worry if you can afford your diabetes medication or heart medication and cancer and AIDS patients don't have to choose death over proper care. THAT is what christianity is about!