NICE! Sanders thread

[Bushido8000]

Double standards are commonplace, especially with Trump and Hillary supporters.

I actually contributed positively to the Nice Trump thread by listing things I do in fact like about him (as difficult as it was). I guess I must have been delusional to think Trump supporters would do the same for Bernie, even though they have a lot of overlapping policies/beliefs. The difference being, we know Bernie actually means what he says.

Haha true true. As scary is as it is, one might actually prefer the option to take an honest Stalin over a lying Hitler. Hey you're kinda close to Holland right? What's it like there? I've kinda come up with a pretty genius idea where I post a bunch of pics of American flags burning and scary words like agorism and then set up a gofundme campaign where I promise to move out of the country if conservatives promise to buy me a nice a house over there. I'm fairly certain Mitspa and Sirk would cover 3/4 of the cost.

Gotta love nationalism.

Shhhh...don't tell them...

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Haha true true. As scary is as it is, one might actually prefer the option to take an honest Stalin over a lying Hitler. Hey you're kinda close to Holland right? What's it like there? I've kinda come up with a pretty genius idea where I post a bunch of pics of American flags burning and scary words like agorism and then set up a gofundme campaign where I promise to move out of the country if conservatives promise to buy me a nice a house over there. I'm fairly certain Mitspa and Sirk would cover 3/4 of the cost.

Gotta love nationalism.

No sir Bushido, absolutely not. Sirs Mitspa, Sirk, and Utah promised to deport me first before you. Wait your turn.

 

[crossnote]

Anarchy and capitalism go hand-in-hand and it is the ONLY form of real freedom and liberty. Not the trash counterfeit "freedom" that governments provide.



From what source? "arguements against Anarcho-capitalism?"

What exactly is illogical about it?

it may be logical but human greed makes it totally unworkable.

 

[Bushido8000]

Ahh, so you refuse to give up your money but demand others give up theirs. Typical socialist.

^This is actually every form of government that demands taxes from citizens or executes force.

Taxation is literally theft. Socialism just seems to be more flamboyant about it haha.

 

[Kisses1990]

I don't have money so I'm not going to lose it. I do however have extreme faith in Jesus, a loving family, fantastic lifelong friends, and integrity for being painfully honest, a trait liberals hate with seething contempt. That said, I'm glad you're here, Grasshopper. I like pet projects.

There are no perfect humans. Liberals lie, and so do conservatives. Your boy Trump happens to have the most prodigious number of lies in this current race. If I'm a grasshopper, you're the vegetation I feed on. But I prefer to think of it in terms of sheep and wolves.

It is govt control over 1/6 of an economy that is 20trillion in debt. Is that coherent enough for you?

You're moving the goalpost. The 20 trillion debt is a problem and we need to work to fix it. We can still easily have universal health care. Right now, the U.S. has one of the highest infant mortality rates, shortest lifespan of citizens, poor income equality, we're one of the lowest scoring test takers in academia, we embrace multifarious pseudoscience which likely comes from our poor education..... Just look to Sweden and Denmark for answers to some of our problems.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

^This is actually every form of government that demands taxes from citizens or executes force.

Taxation is literally theft. Socialism just seems to be more flamboyant about it haha.

Taxation is not theft. They print the money, they own the money.

And to keep to the topic. If you like higher taxes, Comrade Bernie is your guy.

 

[Bushido8000]

it may be logical but human greed makes it totally unworkable.

Not true. There has already been a successful Anarcho-capitalist society in Hawaii.

It was created by a homeless woman for homeless people. It actually flourished like crazy and most of the homeless people were employed or in the process of getting employed. Crude systems (again, it was run by homeless people and not Harvard graduates) of working together were being developed pretty successfully before the local government had it destroyed.

 

[Bushido8000]

Taxation is not theft. They print the money, they own the money.

And to keep to the topic. If you like higher taxes, Comrade Bernie is your guy.

It is theft. They demand the use of their currency. The FBI tried to ban bitcoin (and continues to try to crack/destroy the process).

Bitcoin is not U.S. currency. If we stopped using the US dollar and switched to precious metals and bitcoin (which we should), the government would still extort these currencies from people like the Mafia family that it is.

 

[crossnote]

Maybe you honestly missed what I wrote, or you only read what you want... I am 100% opposed to abortion. I'm 100% pro-life.

The president/congress can propose anything they want... the Supreme court can override whatever law they think is unconstitutional. You're correct in that the Supreme court doesn't make law, however, it interprets law which can almost be the same thing (although it shouldn't).

So my point still stands. Sanders being a life long pro-choice member (like Trump) is moot in that the executive branch has no jurisdiction over the judiciary (or even legislative) branch.

Not a moot point. It shows his character...one who opposes God's ways. I suppose he also embraces same sex marriage.
I can't for the life of me comprehend Christians going along with those who hold those agendas.
BTW, i'm not exactly for Trump either...rather cruz.

 

[Sirk]

Well, what do you think is the error in the thinking of dichotomy? I would think a person secure in themselves would understand the dichotomy of our current reality and would pick a side and hold fast. Perhaps it is religious rhetoric, for our religion anyways. The big error of dichotomy in my opinion is trying to maintain the dichotomy, rather in Christianity while the dichotomy is acknowledged due to the fallen state of the world the goal is for the Light to prevail and conquer the darkness.


The Bible is indeed the basis for this mode of thinking whereas the false religions seem to try to make room for grey since it allows for their proliferation (ie: secularism obviously, islam surprisingly (last chapter of koran), Buddhism of course, and Taoism, which may seem contradictory, but Taoism is about believing the dichotomy is good, and that the forces of darkness are good to provide balance, which makes no rational sense, lol, but the Asian religions don't often make sense.)


And to feebly tie this to the topic. If you like the false religions and want to continue to let their confusion and darkness spread across America, Comrade Bernie is the most vocal in terms of toleration of demonic religions.

I think you are getting confused about but what black and white thinking is. Sure there are some things to stand on, the diety of Christ, His death and resurrection and many other truths in Gods word. I believe the bible to 100% true and without error. That is pretty black and white. The black and white thinking I am referring to encompass many things in the criminal mind. I can list a few for you here:

They are not self critical, unreceptive to responsible alternatives, they are full of self pity and they always blame others for their condition. They focus only on personal good deeds and they see themselves as the victim and not the victimizer. They refuse to acknowledge harm to others and won't admit their own destructive behavior. They say I can't when they really mean I won't and they have no concept of obligation to others. They often expect an immediate response. They have profound fears of personal insults and they are often super optimistic. They have a compulsive desire to control every situation, they manipulate and deceive others and that is just what I can remember. And it all sounds like socialism to me.

 

[crossnote]

Not true. There has already been a successful Anarcho-capitalist society in Hawaii.

It was created by a homeless woman for homeless people. It actually flourished like crazy and most of the homeless people were employed or in the process of getting employed. Crude systems (again, it was run by homeless people and not Harvard graduates) of working together were being developed pretty successfully before the local government had it destroyed.

Under the Umbrella of the Hawaiian Govt...anoher utopia.

 

[Bushido8000]

Not a moot point. It shows his character...one who opposes God's ways. I suppose he also embraces same sex marriage.
I can't for the life of me comprehend Christians going along with those who hold those agendas.
BTW, i'm not exactly for Trump either...rather cruz.

...Cruz supports Sharia Law while simultaneously wanting to have cops patrol Muslim neighborhoods...

 

[Bushido8000]

Under the Umbrella of the Hawaiian Govt...anoher utopia.

The umbrella? It was the Hawaiian gov that destroyed it. They lived separate from the government and separate from any government-regulated society.

How in the world was it a utopia?

 

[Kisses1990]

Clearly none of us are going to agree on any presidential candidates lol :::sips some bourbon and continues watching for entertainment value:::

 

[Sirk]

There are no perfect humans. Liberals lie, and so do conservatives. Your boy Trump happens to have the most prodigious number of lies in this current race. If I'm a grasshopper, you're the vegetation I feed on. But I prefer to think of it in terms of sheep and wolves.



You're moving the goalpost. The 20 trillion debt is a problem and we need to work to fix it. We can still easily have universal health care. Right now, the U.S. has one of the highest infant mortality rates, shortest lifespan of citizens, poor income equality, we're one of the lowest scoring test takers in academia, we embrace multifarious pseudoscience which likely comes from our poor education..... Just look to Sweden and Denmark for answers to some of our problems.

So lets create more dependance on the backs of working people to fix the problem

 

[Kisses1990]

So lets create more dependance on the backs of working people to fix the problem

Uh oh....here we go again lol. Taxing everyone so that everyone gets to see a doctor for free as well as the medication or surgical procedures necessary is, I think, a separate issue entirely to the 20 trillion. Perhaps some of the money can go to reduce it, but generally I think this is jsut a totally different issue. If you want to get into reducing the national deficit, then we need to talk about buying more American products, having good tourist attractions where people from outside the country wants to come here and spend money. I just got back from Las Vegas a few months ago and let me tell you, casinos are a great way to make this happen!

 

[Sirk]

Uh oh....here we go again lol. Taxing everyone so that everyone gets to see a doctor for free as well as the medication or surgical procedures necessary is, I think, a separate issue entirely to the 20 trillion. Perhaps some of the money can go to reduce it, but generally I think this is jsut a totally different issue. If you want to get into reducing the national deficit, then we need to talk about buying more American products, having good tourist attractions where people from outside the country wants to come here and spend money. I just got back from Las Vegas a few months ago and let me tell you, casinos are a great way to make this happen!

Why stop there....lets have strip clubs filled with kidnapped underage girls while we're at it.

 

[Kisses1990]

lol I see you didn't get my sardonic humor, but I'm glad you added some on your own. Noooo we won't have any of that. C'mon now. Socialism, I think, is about caring for people, and abusing anyone, especially underage people is the worst thing ever. I'm glad we can joke around a bit though to lighten the mood.

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OH, but I should add that it's a pretty far stretch to compare a strip club to a casino. You make it sound like it's the same thing. I'll tell you something interesting: I grew up in Catholic school for many years and they had a "Casino Night fundraiser" once a month, so if you don't like casinos, take it up with the Catholics.

 

[Sirk]

lol I see you didn't get my sardonic humor, but I'm glad you added some on your own. Noooo we won't have any of that. C'mon now. Socialism, I think, is about caring for people, and abusing anyone, especially underage people is the worst thing ever. I'm glad we can joke around a bit though to lighten the mood.

I was kind of joking and kind of not. Because our society has actually devolved to where there are children subjected to that.....and it's all been under the advancement of a socialist agenda. I get where you are coming from and I get the heart behind it but what I don't get is the numerous times what you are proposing has been already tried and it always leads to the same end result and you fail to see it.

 

[Kisses1990]

I hope you saw that I edited my above post. Check what I wrote just before this again...I made a comment about Casinos in my old school. But anyway, you can't be serious. You're REALLY trying to make that argument that kidnapped abused children are the result of socialism?!?! That's ridiculous. I'm not sure if you're trying to get into Chinese sweat shops or something....but the way I read that....I feel like you're just blaming socialism for everything....every murderer and rapist MUST be a socialist!