YOUR SINS ARE NOT BEING RECORDED

[Grace777x70]

Oh brother.....this one Ladylynn?...I know..it's frustrating .....the gospel of the grace of Christ is being preached...and in that we rejoice!

 

[ladylynn]

Oh brother.....this one Ladylynn?...I know..it's frustrating .....the gospel of the grace of Christ is being preached...and in that we rejoice!


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Yes, that's it! I'm not frustrated., just thought of this picture when I read HRs post just now. It gives good levity to the situation. That picture just says so much and also is funny. and for some reason seeing the funniness of this situation makes loving HR even more easy even as pie!

 

[coby]

Johan Kruijff died. It's my fault if he isn't in heaven. I have to raise him. And don't comfort me with false grace. This was exactly what I dreamt. Ted Haggart said they'd throw the Newspaper on their desk with all the people that died and said: Did you pray for them? I'm always so happy when someone who was faithful said they prayed for the person. Pim Fortuyn died. My fault. Then years later a minister said that God told him to pray for him. He prayed 4 hours and switched on the television and saw that he had just been killed. I believe he's in heaven. He was an atheist homosexual.

If you don't warn the wicked and they die in their sins I will ask their blood from your hands.

 

[FreeNChrist]

"For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And He gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation.”

2 Corinthians 5:19

 

[popeye]

It sounds like you are taking what you are experiencing in your own life with those who lack proper understanding of grace and projecting that onto folks here. If you just need to vent, that's fine. But don't do it by charging us with the guilt of others.

The thing about personal testimony is that it belongs to the individual.

He is a personal God.

I share very little on this forum about myself.

Inevitably someone,such as yourself is going to "remake" it into a tool to insult and slam ,as you just demonstrated.

 

[FreeNChrist]

The thing about personal testimony is that it belongs to the individual.

He is a personal God.

I share very little on this forum about myself.

Inevitably someone,such as yourself is going to "remake" it into a tool to insult and slam ,as you just demonstrated.

Funny. And here I thought I was showing compassion for you.

 

[popeye]

Hey Grandpa, I get what you are saying. But His ways go far above and beyond ours. The Prodigal son was miserable and was coming back not because he had this amazing love for his father. He came back because he saw how the servants of his dad's house ate better than he did with those pigs. He didn't have the stupidity along with the pride like before., he was hungry and wanted to be let in even as a servant. (btw, who said we don't sin??)

The Father saw him coming 'afar off' and his Father hiked up His robes and met the son part of the way. The Father was the hero here not the prodigal. The prodigal had a speech ready to say to the Father about how unworthy he was and yada yada yada.... But the Father didn't even wait for that. He just called for the best robes and the fatted calf.

The Father didn't say...." ok, before you get this robe and good food, let's deal with the facts of your disobedience you hard headed guilty sinner of a son!! I NEED to make sure you don't think you can do this to me again!!!." Wack! wack! wack!

Jesus died for our judgment,punishment, guilt and shame. The judgment you write about here is not talking about God's house in this dispensation of grace. We have already been judged IN the body of Christ on the cross and are no longer guilty Grandpa.

Jesus took the wrath, judgment, guilt, condemnation we deserved and paid for it 100%. We are sons and will not be judged again. That would say that Jesus death was not enough. That would mean double jeopardy in legal terms. Payment HAD TO BE MADE and Jesus paid.

Jesus called the temple where the money changers were doing their buying and selling "His Father's house."
We are no longer servants but we ARE sometimes STUPID sons. But God loves us now IN Christ and we have His righteousness imputed onto us. We have the Holy Spirit to teach not to sin and how to learn how to walk as the sons we are IN Christ.

I'm a prodigal daughter and my story is much like you described about the depression and divorce stuff. But then like the prodigal, I found out the Father loved me and gave me the robe and the fatted calf and welcomed me home. I've never looked back. Isn't it the love of God that constrains us? Isn't it knowing how much He loves us unconditionally that keeps us following the Good Shepherd? And He doesn't drive the sheep, He leads them. He doesn't beat the sheep with His rod and staff, His rod to protect and His staff to guide and they comfort us.

Religion has it all wrong. Jesus already took on the anger and wrath God has for our sin upon Himself when we received Him and became born again.

OK,SEVERAL things,

I was not a prodigal in my salvation and neither was the prodigal.

When I say I identify with the prodigal,it is in sin and departure as a believer.

The prodigal story conflicts with most here in this thread.

Grace came to the prodigal After he did 3 Obvious steps.

That is my objection to this "automatic" grace thing.

You have to remove the "if's" from the word.

Universalism takes grace777's concept a level higher and says All are saved by that same doctrine that is being presented in this thread.

You may not realize what you are agreeing with in grace777's doctrine.
(I agree with every single verse he presents). I disagree that there is no sin in a believers life,and that if we sin,we need to make the same 3 actions as the prodigal.

He is saying God automatically has you covered,or he has another deal where he tells us that believers never sin.

Then smothers those concepts in grace verses we All AGREE ON, but any introduced conflicting verses are minimized or glossed over. Then of you press him,he just shuts down the dialog.


The prodigal says it all.

When we sin there are steps outlined to bring us back into fellowship,NOT NECESSARILY IMPLYING WE HAVE LEFT THE PLANET.

This hypergrace doctrine has two cousins. OSAS,and universalism.

Both OSAS and hypergrace suffer from the same doctrinal misunderstanding

ONE DIMENSIONAL LIMITED MENTAL exegesis.

The law of 2.

Very few explore it

 

[phil112]

"For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And He gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation.”

2 Corinthians 5:19

The proper translation means that those that are saved will not be charged with their sins, not that He isn't counting them against us. They absolutely go against us. It is sin. It is offense against Him. He simply will not charge us with them.

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Which has no bearing on the topic of whether or not they are being recorded.
His word, as I posted, does indeed show that they are being recorded.

 

[FreeNChrist]

The proper translation means that those that are saved will not be charged with their sins, not that He isn't counting them against us. They absolutely go against us. It is sin. It is offense against Him. He simply will not charge us with them.
Which has no bearing on the topic of whether or not they are being recorded.
His word, as I posted, does indeed show that they are being recorded.

So, it actually means the opposite of what it says, eh?

I'll be danged.

 

[roaringkitten]

"For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And He gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation.”

2 Corinthians 5:19

Amen!

"For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself". Heb 9:26

When king David sinned, we see a preview of the grace of God:

"And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die." 2 Sam 12:13

 

[Grace777x70]

OK,SEVERAL things,


I was not a prodigal in my salvation and neither was the prodigal.

When I say I identify with the prodigal,it is in sin and departure as a believer.

The prodigal story conflicts with most here in this thread.

Grace came to the prodigal After he did 3 Obvious steps.

That is my objection to this "automatic" grace thing.

You have to remove the "if's" from the word.

Universalism takes grace777's concept a level higher and says All are saved by that same doctrine that is being presented in this thread.

You may not realize what you are agreeing with in grace777's doctrine.
(I agree with every single verse he presents). I disagree that there is no sin in a believers life,and that if we sin,we need to make the same 3 actions as the prodigal.

He is saying God automatically has you covered,or he has another deal where he tells us that believers never sin.

Then smothers those concepts in grace verses we All AGREE ON, but any introduced conflicting verses are minimized or glossed over. Then of you press him,he just shuts down the dialog.


The prodigal says it all.

When we sin there are steps outlined to bring us back into fellowship,NOT NECESSARILY IMPLYING WE HAVE LEFT THE PLANET.

This hypergrace doctrine has two cousins. OSAS,and universalism.

Both OSAS and hypergrace suffer from the same doctrinal misunderstanding

ONE DIMENSIONAL LIMITED MENTAL exegesis.

The law of 2.

Very few explore it

Hey Popeye...loved your testimony..

I do not agree with universalism nor do I believe that a believer has no sin. He does however have a new man in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.

He has a choice to follow the flesh or the Spirit within him in hi inner man where Christ dwells.

Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

There are a lot of times in the original greek the "if" is actually a statement of it is fulfilled.....

example:

Colossians 1:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.


If so be that ye continue in the faith ([FONT="Gentium" !important]ei ge epimenete tēi pistei[/FONT]). Condition of the first class (determined as fulfilled),

A.T. Robertson Word Pictures in the New Testament.

Here is an example.... If you went to the bank ( and you did go )...then give me a $100 bucks.

I'll take a check too...


Yes, I do believe that things were written so that we may know that we have eternal life. I do believe in the security of the believer because of the faithfulness of our Lord Jesus and in His finished work. He is our High Priest forever.

1 John 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

 

[JGIG]

Hopefully my witness will help to keep people from becoming, or who have been, snared by false-grace teachings and being disqualified from inheriting eternal life.

Your witness hear has regrettably become that of a critical, cynical, spirit, who bases what they write on much assumption and makes theological proclamations with little contextual, supporting Scripture.

We appreciate your work here - it provides a stark contrast with the contextual Scriptures that us 'Grace folk' continually and consistently bring to communicate the wonderful Gospel of Grace.

For that, we thank you!

-JGIG

 

[ladylynn]

OK,SEVERAL things,

I was not a prodigal in my salvation and neither was the prodigal.

When I say I identify with the prodigal,it is in sin and departure as a believer.

The prodigal story conflicts with most here in this thread.

Grace came to the prodigal After he did 3 Obvious steps.

That is my objection to this "automatic" grace thing.

You have to remove the "if's" from the word.

Universalism takes grace777's concept a level higher and says All are saved by that same doctrine that is being presented in this thread.

You may not realize what you are agreeing with in grace777's doctrine.
(I agree with every single verse he presents). I disagree that there is no sin in a believers life,and that if we sin,we need to make the same 3 actions as the prodigal.

He is saying God automatically has you covered,or he has another deal where he tells us that believers never sin.

Then smothers those concepts in grace verses we All AGREE ON, but any introduced conflicting verses are minimized or glossed over. Then of you press him,he just shuts down the dialog.


The prodigal says it all.

When we sin there are steps outlined to bring us back into fellowship,NOT NECESSARILY IMPLYING WE HAVE LEFT THE PLANET.

This hypergrace doctrine has two cousins. OSAS,and universalism.

Both OSAS and hypergrace suffer from the same doctrinal misunderstanding

ONE DIMENSIONAL LIMITED MENTAL exegesis.

The law of 2.

Very few explore it

????? wow, I just don't understand how you got "Universalism" out of the things Grace777 has posted.
I'm aware of the wonderful message of grace posted each day since I come here daily and read as many of the posts I can. Grace777 has put up Scripture and interpretation that I am in 100% agreement with and very much aware of. It is not by any stretch of the imagination akin to Universalism.

(We need that picture of the guy with his hand on his head again.) .

I read the things Grace777 and JGIG post and I am so happy to be fellow-shipping with believers of like mindedness. And not only them but all those here who are sharing about what Jesus has done and how we are set free to walk in the new covenant of grace. Their writing is uplifting and encouraging. We are no longer sinners but sons and saints. Our identity is in Christ.

The law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Popeye, I hope you reread these many posts and see that there is in no way a message of Universalism. I still don't see how you could have come to that conclusion. Blessings Popeye. (my divorce was 20yrs after I was saved so i am familiar with what you are saying)

 

[popeye]

????? wow, I just don't understand how you got "Universalism" out of the things Grace777 has posted.
I'm aware of the wonderful message of grace posted each day since I come here daily and read as many of the posts I can. Grace777 has put up Scripture and interpretation that I am in 100% agreement with and very much aware of. It is not by any stretch of the imagination akin to Universalism.

(We need that picture of the guy with his hand on his head again.) .

I read the things Grace777 and JGIG post and I am so happy to be fellow-shipping with believers of like mindedness. And not only them but all those here who are sharing about what Jesus has done and how we are set free to walk in the new covenant of grace. Their writing is uplifting and encouraging. We are no longer sinners but sons and saints. Our identity is in Christ.

The law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Popeye, I hope you reread these many posts and see that there is in no way a message of Universalism. I still don't see how you could have come to that conclusion. Blessings Popeye. (my divorce was 20yrs after I was saved so i am familiar with what you are saying)

????? wow, I just don't understand how you got "Universalism" out of the things Grace777 has posted.

I never said he believed it.

I said universalism is one step away from hypergrace.
They are not the same,just similar building blocks.

 

[popeye]

????? wow, I just don't understand how you got "Universalism" out of the things Grace777 has posted.
I'm aware of the wonderful message of grace posted each day since I come here daily and read as many of the posts I can. Grace777 has put up Scripture and interpretation that I am in 100% agreement with and very much aware of. It is not by any stretch of the imagination akin to Universalism.

(We need that picture of the guy with his hand on his head again.) .

I read the things Grace777 and JGIG post and I am so happy to be fellow-shipping with believers of like mindedness. And not only them but all those here who are sharing about what Jesus has done and how we are set free to walk in the new covenant of grace. Their writing is uplifting and encouraging. We are no longer sinners but sons and saints. Our identity is in Christ.

The law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Popeye, I hope you reread these many posts and see that there is in no way a message of Universalism. I still don't see how you could have come to that conclusion. Blessings Popeye. (my divorce was 20yrs after I was saved so i am familiar with what you are saying)

I read the things Grace777 and JGIG post and I am so happy to be fellow-shipping with believers of like mindedness. And not only them but all those here who are sharing about what Jesus has done and how we are set free to walk in the new covenant of grace. Their writing is uplifting and encouraging. We are no longer sinners but sons and saints. Our identity is in Christ.

I agree with every single verse they post,and i would consider myself in fellowship with them,and they my fellow believers.

I come close to hyper grace myself. However,i noticed he (grace 777) has taken a more serious look at the prodigal.

there is no serious ,sold out believer ,upon arriving in heaven,going through judgement. But only because they walk close enough to Jesus that when then do sin they repent.

What I am seeing here is "automatic grace",no accountability.
The 1 cor church was a carnal church. We see the actions that needed to be deployed.
When Paul said "i pick up my cross daily",the result was a closer walk,and intimate fellowship with Jesus,but the dynamic that brought that benefit was,to deflect "the sin that so easily besets us"

It's like this;
The 'holiness police" are the worst nightmare of fellowship you will ever encounter. It is putrid. But not Holiness itself,that is a good thing. What happens is,they rejoice and celebrate,and glory in their "holy life",but see all kinds of things wrong with your walk.

The correct pattern is "getting closer and intimate with Jesus,and as a benefit of his spotlight and essence in my life,whatever I am doing wrong is burned out by his presence and light invading my dark recesses.

Oswald Chambers said "to preach holiness,is to preach the saints into despair"

I believe I saw this in the "holiness police" because their "holiness" is mechanical. They are the modern day pharisees

Serious,sold out believers,are judged in this life,not the next. In the next life we recieve rewards. Those with no crowns did nothing for the kingdom.
Those carnal ones,I just do not know how they are dealt with,but what indications I see are not very nice. I just do not know.

 

[ladylynn]

I agree with every single verse they post,and i would consider myself in fellowship with them,and they my fellow believers.

I come close to hyper grace myself. However,i noticed he (grace 777) has taken a more serious look at the prodigal.

there is no serious ,sold out believer ,upon arriving in heaven,going through judgement. But only because they walk close enough to Jesus that when then do sin they repent.

What I am seeing here is "automatic grace",no accountability.
The 1 cor church was a carnal church. We see the actions that needed to be deployed.
When Paul said "i pick up my cross daily",the result was a closer walk,and intimate fellowship with Jesus,but the dynamic that brought that benefit was,to deflect "the sin that so easily besets us"

It's like this;
The 'holiness police" are the worst nightmare of fellowship you will ever encounter. It is putrid. But not Holiness itself,that is a good thing. What happens is,they rejoice and celebrate,and glory in their "holy life",but see all kinds of things wrong with your walk.

The correct pattern is "getting closer and intimate with Jesus,and as a benefit of his spotlight and essence in my life,whatever I am doing wrong is burned out by his presence and light invading my dark recesses.

Oswald Chambers said "to preach holiness,is to preach the saints into despair"

I believe I saw this in the "holiness police" because their "holiness" is mechanical. They are the modern day pharisees

Serious,sold out believers,are judged in this life,not the next. In the next life we recieve rewards. Those with no crowns did nothing for the kingdom.
Those carnal ones,I just do not know how they are dealt with,but what indications I see are not very nice. I just do not know.

Oh those holiness police!!!!! Have known a few of them in my life time AND was one of them for a while too. IYI YI YI YI!! Those were awful days.

How can we not take grace seriously Popeye?? It's for us. It's what makes us able to stand without any condemnation from God NOW as well as in eternity. It's all because Jesus gave us the gift of His righteousness. The enemy is the one who brings accusation. We believers do not come under judgment here on earth anymore either Popeye. That is the thing so many of us believers have learned and is why we hold grace up as it should be while we are traveling this road of human life.

Romans 8:1 There is therefor NOW no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus (PERIOD)
2. For the law of the SPIRIT of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

Grace is not conditional. Grace is by definition (unconditional) love and favor. The problem is not that Christians take grace and misuse it. The problem is good Christians don't apply it in their lives so they can walk in the very freedom Christ died to give them. When they do, you will see them talking about it at church and posting all over the place about the grace of God. I can't read enough about it, say enough about it, hear enough about it. Grace allows me to know God loves me unconditionally.

Grace and holiness go together. I have Oswald Chambers devotional in the old and new versions of My Utmost For His Highest., and read it for many years. He reminds me of the C.S. Lewis intellectual type. I think what he is saying here when he says; "to preach holiness is to preach the saints into despair" only applies when they DO NOT KNOW about grace. And the gift of no condemnation.

Since I've taken a look at grace again after being a prodigal 10yrs ago, I found the love of God IN Christ. That God sees me IN Jesus with His righteousness. When I sin or when I make a wrong turn somewhere, I'm not condemned by God and then I don't condemn myself by allowing the devil to throw accusation at me. God is on my side., God loves me IN Christ and His love constrains and holds me up.

Before this revelation of God's grace, the following example was the pattern of the Christian life I lived. I wanted to love God more., to love Jesus more. Was told in church we all needed to love God more be more like Jesus. But frustration came when I failed because we are saved and should be able to do this.

When in the morning there was amazing sweet fellowship with God and even the birds sang praises ... but then the kids got up., the husband was annoyed, the bus came early... I got angry at them all because they took away my spirituality! Where did all my Christ likeness go???? Then the confusion of how come I'm like this Lord?!
Didn't we just have sweet fellowship in the Bible? Didn't You just speak to my heart? Then the condemnation came in from the enemy and the self loathing. The doubt that God could love someone like me who for hours in the early morning was on cloud 9 and later was angry and resentful at the very family God blessed me with. Oh you double minded woman you. I'm a double minded one...oh horrors I'm one of THOSE kinds of people.

The reality of that situation was "I" was not aware of grace. My emotions and how well I performed was the measuring stick of God's love for me. When the actual and REAL truth is God's love IS because of Jesus not my striving to be holy. We cannot strive enough to BE holy. We need the Holy Spirit to give us a revelation of the love of God IN Christ. We need to look to Jesus the Author and finisher of our faith.

Without Him we can do nothing. Vitally united to Christ is something more than the will and determination of the flesh. It's the revelation of the Spirit within us to motivate and move our new man. We have this treasure in earthen vessels. God has not given us the spirit of fear... but we have right now the spirit of POWER and LOVE and a SOUND MIND. We can't try to get those things when we have already been given them. Now we work them out each day by faith.

This is much longer than intended. Believers are not judged any more in this life or the next Popeye. Jesus has taken all our penalty, guilt and shame. We are free from those things and actually see them in our lives when we walk by faith and not by sight. Believing what the Bible says we are now IN Christ.
Our sins are forgiven and forgotten as far as the east is from the west.

Sorry this has gotten soooo long. look fwd to your response.

 

[Grace777x70]

I agree with every single verse they post,and i would consider myself in fellowship with them,and they my fellow believers.

I come close to hyper grace myself. However,i noticed he (grace 777) has taken a more serious look at the prodigal.

there is no serious ,sold out believer ,upon arriving in heaven,going through judgement. But only because they walk close enough to Jesus that when then do sin they repent.

What I am seeing here is "automatic grace",no accountability.
The 1 cor church was a carnal church. We see the actions that needed to be deployed.
When Paul said "i pick up my cross daily",the result was a closer walk,and intimate fellowship with Jesus,but the dynamic that brought that benefit was,to deflect "the sin that so easily besets us"

It's like this;
The 'holiness police" are the worst nightmare of fellowship you will ever encounter. It is putrid. But not Holiness itself,that is a good thing. What happens is,they rejoice and celebrate,and glory in their "holy life",but see all kinds of things wrong with your walk.

The correct pattern is "getting closer and intimate with Jesus,and as a benefit of his spotlight and essence in my life,whatever I am doing wrong is burned out by his presence and light invading my dark recesses.

Oswald Chambers said "to preach holiness,is to preach the saints into despair"

I believe I saw this in the "holiness police" because their "holiness" is mechanical. They are the modern day pharisees

Serious,sold out believers,are judged in this life,not the next. In the next life we recieve rewards. Those with no crowns did nothing for the kingdom.
Those carnal ones,I just do not know how they are dealt with,but what indications I see are not very nice. I just do not know.

Hey popeye,

I didn't think you thought I was a universalists and I can see where people can go to the extreme on what "they call grace" but is really not grace at all.

Grace comes with the revelation of Jesus. It is an exchanged life that the Lord brings an outward change and not the "holiness police" preaching as you put it.

1 Peter 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought ( prseent tense - should be ..being brought ) to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Paul never said that he "took up his cross daily"...Paul talked about being crucified with Christ and being raised from the dead and now being alive to God because of our new creation.

The Corinthian church was doing all kinds of things like going to temple prostitutes, taking each other to court, many divisions amongst themselves, getting drunk at communion, the rich were eating all the food at their communion times so that when the poor people came they had no food left for them( which were meals together back then ). The Corinthians were an outward mess for sure.

Yet, knowing all these things ( of which the holiness police would have freaked out at )...Paul says this about the Corinthians which I find interesting.

1 Corinthians 1:4-8 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given you in Christ Jesus,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] that in everything you were enriched in Him, in all speech and all knowledge,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] even as the testimony concerning Christ was confirmed in you,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul also said to these carnal Corinthians that Christ has become to them righteousness and sanctification and redemption. That they were holy and complete in Him...they had the mind of Christ inside of them. Then Paul proceeded to tell them who they really were in Christ now because of the new creation.

Paul corrected their behavior by telling them their true identity in Christ. This allows the Holy Spirit in them to transform them. The answer to all of us believers is always the same - hear the gospel of the grace of Christ. We need to hear the gospel every day.

I think where some find grace is in the "acceptance" part of grace like the woman at the well. Along with the "acceptance" grace comes afterward the "empowering " grace which makes us free from following after the flesh. It's in the waiting for a tree to produce fruit that the "holiness police" can come at believers.

I agree 100% that to teach the "acceptance" part grace without the "empowering" part is error. We need to have the acceptance part of grace cemented into our hearts and minds first and then from this platform of being accepted as a son/daughter without any condemnation, guilt or shame - this enables the empowering aspect of grace to manifest in our lives..

I have heard of some people using grace to excuse their lifestyle with no desire to want to change what they are doing. These people are not under grace at all because true grace "teaches" us to live godly in this present world.

I believe like you that many will not have any rewards in heaven but they will be saved.

We are fellow believers popeye looking for the return of our Lord! Bless you!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I believe I saw this in the "holiness police" because their "holiness" is mechanical. They are the modern day pharisees

What are holiness police? Do you have some examples?

 

[Yet]

I've always thought it was odd when pastors would teach out of both sides of their mouth, 'your sins are tossed into the sea of forgetfulness, and God placed a sign on the beach NO FISHING!' Now don't get to happy with a joyful tear in your eye. Brace yourself!
Then out of the other side of their mouth they say 'Your going to have to stand before God one day in the judgement and (here's where their voice gets real loud and guttural) AND GIVE AN ACCOUNTING for every sin, every thought, every move, before (Right here gets real loud again) GOD and all the saints and Angels. His tribunal with the spotlight on you!' (You miserable worm you!)

How many of you have taken note of this? Precious isn't it?

 

[Grace777x70]

I've always thought it was odd when pastors would teach out of both sides of their mouth, 'your sins are tossed into the sea of forgetfulness, and God placed a sign on the beach NO FISHING!' Now don't get to happy with a joyful tear in your eye. Brace yourself!
Then out of the other side of their mouth they say 'Your going to have to stand before God one day in the judgement and (here's where their voice gets real loud and guttural) AND GIVE AN ACCOUNTING for every sin, every thought, every move, before (Right here gets real loud again) GOD and all the saints and Angels. His tribunal with the spotlight on you!' (You miserable worm you!)

How many of you have taken note of this? Precious isn't it?

I have heard all kinds of different people say those things......it's a religious mindset that doesn't see the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.....nor the difference between the believer in Christ and the un-believer.

They are mixing the covenants up and have little understanding of the new creation in Christ now. But all that is changing...thank God!

I have also heard lot's of good pastors/leaders and other believers say the good news of the gospel of the grace of Christ too.. The good news is getting out!!!!