Angels and Demons

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G-man

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I just wanted to see what everyone else thought of the whole heavenly realm thing. I believe that there are angels that God appoints over certain people, things, and even areas. The Bible talks about strongholds of Satan, or basically where demans are controlling an aspect of your life. Also, in 1 kings 18, when Elijah confronted the 450 prophets of Baal, the prophets tore their robes and cut themselves in an unction to their praying to him. I believe that that was something that the demon (Baal) gave them the inclination to do, and it is something that happens even today. Could it realy be a demon that is making people today cut their wrists? That is what I belive, what about you guys?
 
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jesusfreak0016

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are saying that if someone cuts their wrists, that they are demon possessed?
 
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G-man

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are saying that if someone cuts their wrists, that they are demon possessed?
lol, absolutely not. Everyone has their demans. To be demon posessed is not realy being possesed at all. It is simple being overcome by the presence of demons. Demons have the power to oppress not possess remember that. now the only reason True Christians cannot be "possessed" is because wherever Light is, darkness cannot be.
 
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If it's not the devil that makes or suggests to people to cut their wrist... and it's not God.. then who is it
 
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MaggieMye

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Could it really be a demon that is making people today cut their wrists? That is what I belive, what about you guys? Yes. It is demons, in submission to powers of the air and principalities....false gods, that bring thoughts to us. They do not know if we receive them UNTIL we speak or act on that thought...which is WHY it is so important to hold every thought captive to the Word of God.

are saying that if someone cuts their wrists, that they are demon possessed? Possessed, NO. OPpressed, yes! They have gained entrance to a person's soul and/or body because of unrepented sin or generational curses, trauma, fear, etc. This does not mean that the demons OWN (Possession) the person..but rather that the person owns, or through ignorance (think Hose 4:6) allows a demon to reside in them.

lol, absolutely not. Everyone has their demons. To be demon possessed is not really being possessed at all. this sentence makes no sense. It is simple being overcome by the presence of demons. YET WE are called to be overcomers in and through Christ Jesus...having authority and power over the demonic. Demons have the power to oppress not possess remember that. They DO have the power to possess, but ONLY if WE give it to them. now the only reason True Christians cannot be "possessed" is because wherever Light is, darkness cannot be. TRUE CHRISTIANS are POSSESSED/OWNED by the HOLY SPIRIT...and He does not share.

If it's not the devil that makes or suggests to people to cut their wrist... and it's not God.. then who is it it is not the devil/satan per se, but it is the demons that he rules over..that do his bidding...his dirty work. satan commissions the demons, powers, principalities and forces of darkness to DO his will. There is hiearchy and strategy in the kingdom of darkness, just as there is in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Maggie

 
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HumbleSaint

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If it's not the devil that makes or suggests to people to cut their wrist... and it's not God.. then who is it

Well its abviously the devil that influences someone to cut themselves. But what I think G-man was saying it that there is a difference between being possesed and oppressed. When you possesed by a demon, a demon has almost complete control over you. When your oppressed by one, you are influenced by one. And I have heard that a Christian cannot be possesed by a demon, but they can be oppressed by one.
 
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forgivenandloved

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I just wanted to see what everyone else thought of the whole heavenly realm thing. I believe that there are angels that God appoints over certain people, things, and even areas. The Bible talks about strongholds of Satan, or basically where demans are controlling an aspect of your life. Also, in 1 kings 18, when Elijah confronted the 450 prophets of Baal, the prophets tore their robes and cut themselves in an unction to their praying to him. I believe that that was something that the demon (Baal) gave them the inclination to do, and it is something that happens even today. Could it realy be a demon that is making people today cut their wrists? That is what I belive, what about you guys?

Cutting is in a WHOLE different catategory you are trying to place to way different subjects together.
 
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Of course, being oppressed and cutting yourself, is better than being possessed and cutting yourself *insert eye roll here*
 
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forgivenandloved

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Of course, being oppressed and cutting yourself, is better than being possessed and cutting yourself *insert eye roll here*

Ya I'm sure you know exactly what is like right?

no rudeness intended
 
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It's as if everyone is saying, yeah cutting is bad, but you're not allowed to say it could be demon possession. What's the difference if you're cutting anyway? If it's not possession, then you really can't blame the devil. I do know that sometimes demons respond when you talk to them, instead of the person itself. A demon will always try to divert attention away from itself by saying "it couldn't possibly be a demon".
 
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forgivenandloved

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It's as if everyone is saying, yeah cutting is bad, but you're not allowed to say it could be demon possession. What's the difference if you're cutting anyway? If it's not possession, then you really can't blame the devil. I do know that sometimes demons respond when you talk to them, instead of the person itself. A demon will always try to divert attention away from itself by saying "it couldn't possibly be a demon".

What I am saying cutting and demonic possession are too different things. There are many Christians who cut perhaps people you know you never know. I'm not saying it couldn't be a demon but in most cases its something much deeper. Its hard to explain.
 
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HumbleSaint

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Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead......Leviticus 19:28

You see what cuttings were used for back in the Bible; I believe to comunicate with the dead. Now who were the people communicating with the dead back then....the witches. Remember when king Saul went to a witch and Samuel who was dead, told him what was going to happen to him in battle.

Remember also when Elijah had a competition with the prophets of Baal when they both prepared an altar an God sent fire from Heaven onto Elijah's alter and the Baal worshipers tried desperatly to make something happen and they cut themselves trying to do it.

So it is pretty apparent the cutting yourself has demonic connections with it.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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I have no doubt that cutting is one of many behaviors that our enemy takes advantage of. Jesus told a story about how a man had a demon cast out of him. but the demon simply returned with others because there was no fundamental change in the person. The man ended up worse than he was in the beginning. Cutters have underlying problems. If we were able to break the demonic influence, but did not deal with the underlying problem, they would be worse off than when they began. Spiritual ministry must be combined with physical ministry and counseling. Also, we need to develop deliverance ministries that are truly effective.
 
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forgivenandloved

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Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead......Leviticus 19:28

You see what cuttings were used for back in the Bible; I believe to comunicate with the dead. Now who were the people communicating with the dead back then....the witches. Remember when king Saul went to a witch and Samuel who was dead, told him what was going to happen to him in battle.

Remember also when Elijah had a competition with the prophets of Baal when they both prepared an altar an God sent fire from Heaven onto Elijah's alter and the Baal worshipers tried desperatly to make something happen and they cut themselves trying to do it.

So it is pretty apparent the cutting yourself has demonic connections with it.
yes, that is right but its hard explaining to people who haven't been through it themselves lol :) so lets just forget it.
 
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In the bbile it talks of the man in the caves. And he was cutting himself. Yes its from demons. And yes its still going on today sad to say.
 
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MaggieMye

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Of course, being oppressed and cutting yourself, is better than being possessed and cutting yourself Cutting oneself can LEAD TO DEATH! Cutting is brought on by spirits of insecurity, inferiority, death and are controlled by the principality of Baal. Cutting oneself is how the kingdom of darkness gets a person to commit suicide so they never fulfill the destiny that God created them for. The above mentions spirits are accompanied by spirits of deception that lie to a person about their worth and value. And while a person cutting is not possessed, one of the goals is to get the person to COMPLETELY submit to the spirits so they can take over the body and KILL IT.
If it's not possession, then you really can't blame the devil. yes and no. It is ALWAYS the devil and demons are influencing a person and that person responds as they (the demons) desire that one could say that it is the devil's doing. I do know that sometimes demons respond when you talk to them, instead of the person itself. Rule of thumb is 'never talk to a demon'. Why? Because the LIE!! And they might say it's a truth, you might even command them to tell you a truth, but you can NEVER be sure that what they are saying IS the truth. Rather...ask HOLY SPIRIT if you need info when dealing with a person suffering oppression. A demon will always try to divert attention away from itself by saying "it couldn't possibly be a demon". Wisdom will tell that it is ALWAYS a demon; fear, rejection, rebellion, witchcraft, hatred, anger, bitterness, sorrow his dark kingdom and cronies that are behind any type of misuse of the body. Human nature, on its own, will always do whatever is necessary to AVOID pain and death. So, it is only when, grief, anxiety...the list goes on....really, anything negative has a demonic entity behind it.

You see what cuttings were used for back in the Bible; I believe to communicate with the dead. to honor the dead and also as a form of worship of Baal and even Molock (Molack?)
I have no doubt that cutting is one of many behaviors that our enemy takes advantage of. Jesus told a story about how a man had a demon cast out of him. but the demon simply returned with others because there was no fundamental change in the person. No, the demon returned because it could find no place to rest. It was ABLE to return because the man had not filled himself up with the Word of God. A believer will be transformed upon becoming 'born of God'...born again. In the early church, new converts were immediately taken through deliverance so that all curses were broken and iniquities removed. But if the new believer IS NOT TAUGHT and is left to himself, whatever demons were cast out will simply return and fill the void that was made when the left IF the person has not been DILIGENT (scripture tells us to be DILIGENT (in the original Greek) to be approved (2 Tim 2:15) The man ended up worse than he was in the beginning. Cutters have underlying problems. ALL cutters have major rejection issues and abandonment issues. Most have had demons working against them since early childhood.
If we were able to break the demonic influence, but did not deal with the underlying problem, they would be worse off than when they began. Yes, if they are not mentored. A demonic influence, such as a demon, can be cast out. But if the curse that gives it license to be there in the first place is not broken and removed, it can easily return....which is why mentoring of a new believer is SO important. Spiritual ministry must be combined with physical ministry and counseling. Also, we need to develop deliverance ministries that are truly effective. Y'all should go to the Voice of the Light ministries by Emmerson and Ana Mendez Ferrell and order the series of DVDs called Regions of Captivity. The first DVD is 1:20 of worship and then teaching. She teaches deliverance like Jesus did deliverance. It is worth EVERY penny!! Any for anyone in the Chicago area, they are doing a deliverance conference ""Freedom's Fire April 16-17, Details on the website.

Maggie
 
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forgivenandloved

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Of course, being oppressed and cutting yourself, is better than being possessed and cutting yourself Cutting oneself can LEAD TO DEATH! Cutting is brought on by spirits of insecurity, inferiority, death and are controlled by the principality of Baal. Cutting oneself is how the kingdom of darkness gets a person to commit suicide so they never fulfill the destiny that God created them for. The above mentions spirits are accompanied by spirits of deception that lie to a person about their worth and value. And while a person cutting is not possessed, one of the goals is to get the person to COMPLETELY submit to the spirits so they can take over the body and KILL IT.
If it's not possession, then you really can't blame the devil. yes and no. It is ALWAYS the devil and demons are influencing a person and that person responds as they (the demons) desire that one could say that it is the devil's doing. I do know that sometimes demons respond when you talk to them, instead of the person itself. Rule of thumb is 'never talk to a demon'. Why? Because the LIE!! And they might say it's a truth, you might even command them to tell you a truth, but you can NEVER be sure that what they are saying IS the truth. Rather...ask HOLY SPIRIT if you need info when dealing with a person suffering oppression. A demon will always try to divert attention away from itself by saying "it couldn't possibly be a demon". Wisdom will tell that it is ALWAYS a demon; fear, rejection, rebellion, witchcraft, hatred, anger, bitterness, sorrow his dark kingdom and cronies that are behind any type of misuse of the body. Human nature, on its own, will always do whatever is necessary to AVOID pain and death. So, it is only when, grief, anxiety...the list goes on....really, anything negative has a demonic entity behind it.
You see what cuttings were used for back in the Bible; I believe to communicate with the dead. to honor the dead and also as a form of worship of Baal and even Molock (Molack?)
I have no doubt that cutting is one of many behaviors that our enemy takes advantage of. Jesus told a story about how a man had a demon cast out of him. but the demon simply returned with others because there was no fundamental change in the person. No, the demon returned because it could find no place to rest. It was ABLE to return because the man had not filled himself up with the Word of God. A believer will be transformed upon becoming 'born of God'...born again. In the early church, new converts were immediately taken through deliverance so that all curses were broken and iniquities removed. But if the new believer IS NOT TAUGHT and is left to himself, whatever demons were cast out will simply return and fill the void that was made when the left IF the person has not been DILIGENT (scripture tells us to be DILIGENT (in the original Greek) to be approved (2 Tim 2:15) The man ended up worse than he was in the beginning. Cutters have underlying problems. ALL cutters have major rejection issues and abandonment issues. Most have had demons working against them since early childhood.
If we were able to break the demonic influence, but did not deal with the underlying problem, they would be worse off than when they began. Yes, if they are not mentored. A demonic influence, such as a demon, can be cast out. But if the curse that gives it license to be there in the first place is not broken and removed, it can easily return....which is why mentoring of a new believer is SO important. Spiritual ministry must be combined with physical ministry and counseling. Also, we need to develop deliverance ministries that are truly effective. Y'all should go to the Voice of the Light ministries by Emmerson and Ana Mendez Ferrell and order the series of DVDs called Regions of Captivity. The first DVD is 1:20 of worship and then teaching. She teaches deliverance like Jesus did deliverance. It is worth EVERY penny!! Any for anyone in the Chicago area, they are doing a deliverance conference ""Freedom's Fire April 16-17, Details on the website.

Maggie
You, my friend, have a firm grasp of the whole cutting situation. Kudos to you :)
 
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forgivenandloved

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How come you didn't quote the whole verse? Just curious.
the other part says no marking on your body. What would be interesting is if he quoted the whole chapter. because most of us don't follow the levitical laws.
 
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What I am saying cutting and demonic possession are too different things. There are many Christians who cut perhaps people you know you never know. I'm not saying it couldn't be a demon but in most cases its something much deeper. Its hard to explain.
Mutilation of the body is a pscyhological disorder, obviously, but let's not forget that satan and the devils plays with the mind.