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Desdichado

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You obviously missed the multiple posts in which he referenced my young age.
He referenced your age, but did not rebuke you because of it. I'll admit referencing your age was superfluous since you're an adult.
 
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Mitspa

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I don't want a socialized police state. Your just lumping me in with your preconceived notions.
I would not arrest anyone, there would be no penalties when something like pot shows up in blood work for an annual test to determine pricing.
so gays and potheads should pay much higher rates? How about blacks who have higher rates of certain problems?
 
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Called4Christ

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He referenced your age, but did not rebuke you because of it. I'll admit referencing your age was superfluous since you're an adult.
Calling a grown woman "little girl" in that manner was an insult, don't you agree?
 
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Again. Do not rebuke me just because I'm younger than you. You don't know anything about me. Neither do I know anything about you. But do not rebuke me just because I'm younger. God himself ordered the death of innocents in the Old Testament when he ordered the Israelites to kill everyone in the enemy camp. I believe this order was done out of mercy for the children.

God sees the spiritual while we see the physical. We see the awful death of a physical being, God sees the beautiful soul coming to him. The innocents killed in the bible...I do'nt think they went to hell (and by innocents I mean little children).
This is sort of dangerous don't you think? While what you say might be true about God receiving a little babies soul or whatever but I think you should ask yourself the value that God places on life. Humans use all kinds of excuses to murder people and that one is really no different. Just an excuse to make oneself feel better about sticking a fork in a precious little babies skull and killing it.
 
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Mitspa

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Innocent babies should not be murdered. But what do you say to God about the times when He ordered the Israelite's to wipe out every man, woman, child and even live stock?
I say you are too biblically ignorant to understand those passages..and even in your ignorance you accuse God of evil..it never justifies the murder of innocent babies ...
 

JosephsDreams

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so gays and potheads should pay much higher rates? How about blacks who have higher rates of certain problems?
I never said that. Where are you coming up with this stuff. Please respond to what I say, not what you think I said. I am fairly clear in my statements. If your not sure, ask me.
 

JosephsDreams

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I say you are too biblically ignorant to understand those passages..and even in your ignorance you accuse God of evil..it never justifies the murder of innocent babies ...
Actually, I do not think I am ignorant about those passages. But please o' wise one, teach me, what do they mean? Maybe I am wrong. I admit I am not infallible.
 
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Called4Christ

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This is sort of dangerous don't you think? While what you say might be true about God receiving a little babies soul or whatever but I think you should ask yourself the value that God places on life. Humans use all kinds of excuses to murder people and that one is really no different. Just an excuse to make oneself feel better about sticking a fork in a precious little babies skull and killing it.
This... this is a tone of disagreement I can empathize with and respond to..Thank you, Sirk.

I understand that these are dangerous grounds to walk on. I don't believe abortion is right and I don't condone it. My point was that sometimes the death is better than the life it might have lived otherwise. My best friend was often violently raped and abused because her parents neglected her. Because of it, she closed her heart to God. Does this happen to everyone? Certainly not.... But what about those who do live and don't get good homes? What about those who are abused? Certainly not everyone is abused or neglected, certainly some find homes...but what about those who don't...

I'm just glad I'll never have to personally make that choice because I'm pro life.
 
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Mitspa

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I never said that. Where are you coming up with this stuff. Please respond to what I say, not what you think I said. I am fairly clear in my statements. If your not sure, ask me.
I'm just taking your logic to its reasonable conclusion.
 
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Mitspa

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Actually, I do not think I am ignorant about those passages. But please o' wise one, teach me, what do they mean? Maybe I am wrong. I admit I am not infallible.
I don't have time nor do I care to teach you... I just make the evident case that you accuse God of evil as a sign of your ignorance.
 

posthuman

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I mean, don't get me wrong. I'd love to save money on my health care. But I'd feel a little guilty about forcing people to pay for the health care that I can already receive so that I could buy that pack of cigarettes or that new flat screen.

that is exactly what having insurance does.
you pay a premium every year or twice a year (like being taxed)
when you need an operation or some other major care, you can't afford all that. your health insurance pays for it. the amount may be way more than the sum of what you've paid in premiums -- so guess where the money comes from?
other people's premiums.

the only difference between the insurance system, and single-payer universal care, economically, is that with the insurance system, the insurance companies are out to make the biggest profit possible from you, and from everyone else. they fix the rates to a price point carefully calculated to make sure that everyone overpays by the largest amount they can get away with, before premiums are so high that people decide they are better off just not having insurance. so it costs more. in a big population, it costs A LOT more.
otherwise -- both systems are the same. if you need a $50,000 surgery and extended care, if you have insurance, it's other people's money that's paying for it.

now ask yourself, does that make health insurance equal to a godless communist dictatorship stealing your money and giving it to the lazy?
or have you been listening too much to pundit propaganda that blows this out of proportion, to make sure you vote in the R column?
 

JosephsDreams

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I don't have time nor do I care to teach you... I just make the evident case that you accuse God of evil as a sign of your ignorance.
I can see what I am dealing with here...
 
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You compared little human babies to pigs to justify their being killed (just like Hitler)..that was the point. The fact that Bernie agrees with and promotes this barbaric wickedness, proves how evil he is as well.
I'm not evil. I'm not trying to eradicate entire races. But maybe you are barbaric and wicked if you want to support the suffering of others. My comparison to babies and pigs was not in an attempt to justify murdering babies.... You misunderstood me. I was just comparing their sentience. I'm not for the murder or death of ANYTHING, but I'm willing to admit when sometimes it's necessary or it's the best option.
 
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This... this is a tone of disagreement I can empathize with and respond to..Thank you, Sirk.

I understand that these are dangerous grounds to walk on. I don't believe abortion is right and I don't condone it. My point was that sometimes the death is better than the life it might have lived otherwise. My best friend was often violently raped and abused because her parents neglected her. Because of it, she closed her heart to God. Does this happen to everyone? Certainly not.... But what about those who do live and don't get good homes? What about those who are abused? Certainly not everyone is abused or neglected, certainly some find homes...but what about those who don't...

I'm just glad I'll never have to personally make that choice because I'm pro life.
But everyone deserves a shot at it don't they? What if just one of all those 50+ million babies that we have killed in the womb had a gift to bring to the world but it was snuffed out? I didn't like abortion before my son was born and when I held him in my arms for the first time it was forever seared in my brain at the responsibility I had to him to give him the best shot that I could. I was pondering the other day if there was a sacrifice I wouldn't make for him and I couldn't come up with one. I wish all parents and prospective parents could feel that.
 

JosephsDreams

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No death or illness or suffering when He comes back.
For now, we live in a fallen world. A sad, unalterable truth.
 
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No death or illness or suffering when He comes back.
For now, we live in a fallen world. A sad, unalterable truth.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for those who can't fight for themselves.
 

JosephsDreams

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No doubt. We are called to come to the aid of the defenseless.