NICE! Sanders thread

[Sirk]

I don't care whether or not life begins at conception...it's cells dividing...it has no personality, it has no...anything... I think you cheapen life by relating a full grown human or even a new born baby with that of a speck on a laboratory slide.... If allowed to continue to grow, it will be a kid that people will care about, but funeral services for a blob seems...silly to me... Death is a better option than suffering.

Have you ever grieved with a family who lost their child in the womb....even at 12 weeks? I'm guessing not.

 

[Kisses1990]

Reagan signed the largest tax increase in the history of the country up until his time.
Reagan tripled the national deficit.
unemployment rose to almost 11% under Reagan.
the rich got almost 4X richer while the median income only rose by about 30% under Reagan.
Reagan greatly increased the size of the government - spending "balooned" and he bailed out SS and created the VA, one of the largest branches of the federal government, and as we know now, one of the worst managed.
Reagan as governor was very liberal about abortions - he signed a law that increased the number of abortions in California by over a million, and then did virtually nothing about abortion one way or the other while president.
Reagan gave over 3 million undocumented immigrants amnesty.
Reagan funneled all kinds of weapons illegally into Iran. wonder where those are now, hmm? he helped create the Taliban and Bin Laden by funding and training jihadis in Afghanistan in order to fight a proxy war with the USSR.


but he's your hero, right?

I was never a fan of Reagan. He is also the guy responsible for the "war on drugs" which was an absolute failure and causes us to lose billions each year. If you want to reduce the national debt, start by ending the war on drugs and decriminalizing them like Puerto Rico has. It's been very successful out there. Less drug users, more rehab programs, and less inmates for non-violent crimes. Didn't Reagan also not want to comment for years on the AIDS epidemic?

 

[JosephsDreams]

Who decides that a baby should have a fork jammed into its head? And on what criteria?
How bout...if you can't afford to have children and you keep having them anyway?

Not me. I don't want that on my head. No pun intended.
I just don't believe in abortion.
We all know the arguments. I doubt anyone is changing their minds.

If someone wants to keep having kids, and they can't afford it? I don't know the answer. I do know I would not support that perpetually.

 

[Mitspa]

I agree with the rules part. But you seem to be against giving incentives for some reason and you haven't articulated why.

Yes I have you just ignored my points ..because you cannot defend the logic you are trying to use

 

[Kisses1990]

Have you ever grieved with a family who lost their child in the womb....even at 12 weeks? I'm guessing not.

I don't personally know any family that thats happened to, but no I wouldn't grieve for the zygote...I'd grieve for the parents though...it's got to be emotionally draining and stressful, especially if they wanted a baby.

 

[Mitspa]

Have you ever grieved with a family who lost their child in the womb....even at 12 weeks? I'm guessing not.

Clearly she don't care ..probably has some reason why the babies life didn't really have any value...

 

[Mitspa]

I don't personally know any family that thats happened to, but no I wouldn't grieve for the zygote...I'd grieve for the parents though...it's got to be emotionally draining and stressful, especially if they wanted a baby.

So instead of calling the baby a baby..call is some other term..and it has no value... this is a evil person

 

[JosephsDreams]

I don't care whether or not life begins at conception...it's cells dividing...it has no personality, it has no...anything... I think you cheapen life by relating a full grown human or even a new born baby with that of a speck on a laboratory slide.... If allowed to continue to grow, it will be a kid that people will care about, but funeral services for a blob seems...silly to me... Death is a better option than suffering.

I don't agree with that, but even if I did..then what about the potential of that person? You are okay with robbing him or her of what they cvould have become for themselves and others?

 

[KimPetras]

Reagan signed the largest tax increase in the history of the country up until his time.
Reagan tripled the national deficit.
unemployment rose to almost 11% under Reagan.
the rich got almost 4X richer while the median income only rose by about 30% under Reagan.
Reagan greatly increased the size of the government - spending "balooned" and he bailed out SS and created the VA, one of the largest branches of the federal government, and as we know now, one of the worst managed.
Reagan as governor was very liberal about abortions - he signed a law that increased the number of abortions in California by over a million, and then did virtually nothing about abortion one way or the other while president.
Reagan gave over 3 million undocumented immigrants amnesty.
Reagan funneled all kinds of weapons illegally into Iran. wonder where those are now, hmm? he helped create the Taliban and Bin Laden by funding and training jihadis in Afghanistan in order to fight a proxy war with the USSR.


but he's your hero, right?

You speak the truth... but I warn you... if they get upset when people speak facts about Trump, I can only imagine what they will say/do if you speak facts about Reagan.

 

[Mitspa]

You want to kill someone just make-up some name and some excuse why their life has no value... exact same thing the Nazis did to justify mass murder ...

 

[KimPetras]

Yes I have you just ignored my points ..because you cannot defend the logic you are trying to use

You know me better than that Mitspa.

You know I do my best to answer and address points people make. I may unintentionally miss something but I really do my best.

What were the points you made that I didn't address?

 

[Desdichado]

This is one of those threads where I am literally paralyzed by the amount of content to respond to- socialized medicine, the value of human life, Ronald Reagan's record.

It is interesting though how Bernie Sanders brings up more substantive policy discussion than Donald Trump. I suppose that's a plus.

It also shows me that when confronted with the Left, Trump fans and myself are natural allies. Don't ask about my political philosophy, folks. It will give you nightmares for months.

 

[Mitspa]

You know me better than that Mitspa.

You know I do my best to answer and address points people make. I may unintentionally miss something but I really do my best.

What were the points you made that I didn't address?

go back and read

 

[Sirk]

I don't personally know any family that thats happened to, but no I wouldn't grieve for the zygote...I'd grieve for the parents though...it's got to be emotionally draining and stressful, especially if they wanted a baby.

Man you seem so cold. People have dreams of watching their child grow up. They have names picked out. They have scenarios in their minds how they will love and care for their child and what he/she will look like and how they will laugh. Only you think of it as a zygote and only people like you could murder one. You even said in a post that you would be willing to do it yourself. I have to say that your heart is pretty sick (cough cough) and needs some healthcare.

 

[KimPetras]

This is one of those threads where I am literally paralyzed by the amount of content to respond to- socialized medicine, the value of human life, Ronald Reagan's record.

It is interesting though how Bernie Sanders brings up more substantive policy discussion than Donald Trump. I suppose that's a plus.

It also shows me that when confronted with the Left, Trump fans and myself are natural allies. Don't ask about my political philosophy, folks. It will give you nightmares for months.

Trump and Sanders are natural allies too. Both want complete universal health care coverage, both hate current trade agreements, both want to fix wall street, both opposed to destabilizing the middle east (Trump did flip flop), and unfortunately, both are pro-choice (Trump has to pretend he's pro-life because he's running as a Republican).

 

[Mitspa]

This is one of those threads where I am literally paralyzed by the amount of content to respond to- socialized medicine, the value of human life, Ronald Reagan's record.

It is interesting though how Bernie Sanders brings up more substantive policy discussion than Donald Trump. I suppose that's a plus.

It also shows me that when confronted with the Left, Trump fans and myself are natural allies. Don't ask about my political philosophy, folks. It will give you nightmares for months.

Its because you are a decent God-fearing person who loves liberty...

 

[Desdichado]

You know me better than that Mitspa.

You know I do my best to answer and address points people make. I may unintentionally miss something but I really do my best.

What were the points you made that I didn't address?

Feel free to ignore my points. They are kind of like opening Pandora's Box.

 

[Desdichado]

Trump and Sanders are natural allies too. Both want complete universal health care coverage, both hate current trade agreements, both want to fix wall street, both opposed to destabilizing the middle east (Trump did flip flop), and unfortunately, both are pro-choice (Trump has to pretend he's pro-life because he's running as a Republican).

Yes, that is why I do not support Trump. I do support his supporters. Again, Pandora's Box.

 

[KimPetras]

go back and read

I was going to give you a Big Mac if you told me rather than going through page after page of posts.

Will my incentive work? lol

 

[JosephsDreams]

I don't personally know any family that thats happened to, but no I wouldn't grieve for the zygote...I'd grieve for the parents though...it's got to be emotionally draining and stressful, especially if they wanted a baby.

Are you a Christian?