NICE! Sanders thread

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Desdichado

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posthuman said:

just like you've ignored the point that no Republican president is going to end abortion, no matter what they say they support on the campaign trail, that Trump is pro-choice too, and that being pro-choice does not mean that a person gleefully murders babies for leisure every weekend, or even that they approve of abortion at all.


but you want to go on talking about it all night, ignoring the fact that the guy you say is the best president we ever had, Reagan, is responsible for millions of abortions himself in the state of California, and did NOTHING about abortions as president.

why exactly are you doing that, dude?
why the willfully ignorant animosity here?
why stirring up useless trouble? remember the OP?
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Did you also introduce him to Starflyer 59?
 
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KimPetras said:
"Control" is not the right word. When I think of control, I think of involuntary force.

The government would encourage people, via financial incentives, to live a healthy life style to lower the cost of complete universal health care. It's why current insurance companies do it now. They know this works.

But I agree with you that the government shouldn't "control" people by telling them what they can and can't eat, or by making them work out. If someone wants to eat McDonald's every day, I say go for it. It's not being a good steward of your body, but that is not for me (or the government) to decide. We certainly shouldn't reward his/her bad behavior by choosing to eat McDonald's every day by offering a financial incentive to him/her.
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You are playing word games and at the end the government will police the behavior of folks because the government will be in charge of their health...no thank you ...
 
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Sirk said:
Man you seem so cold. People have dreams of watching their child grow up. They have names picked out. They have scenarios in their minds how they will love and care for their child and what he/she will look like and how they will laugh. Only you think of it as a zygote and only people like you could murder one. You even said in a post that you would be willing to do it yourself. I have to say that your heart is pretty sick (cough cough) and needs some healthcare.
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Wow for the LAST TIME-- I don't condone killing ANYTHING!!! Even zygotes!! I hate death! I wish nothing had to die ever! I'm talking about instances where the parents are irresponsible and have a baby anyway, even though it's missing a vital organ and it's going to SUFFER. THAT is immoral not to abort early...and irresponsible of the parents not to. There are good cases when abortion should happen.

And I'm probably one of the nicest people you could ever meet if you did meet me lol
 
JosephsDreams

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Kisses1990 said:
I'm just calling it by the medical term... And you're the evil one if you endorse suffering of others...




You have no idea what a "potential" human would amount to. Maybe this fetus would grow up to be Hitler. Maybe it would grow up to be Beethoven. It really doesn't matter... You can speculate what ifs all day and never get anywhere. The point is it doesn't matter what "could have been". It's useless to stress yourself thinking about it. The people that matter are us...the people. The mothers matter. Why do we always care about the baby more than the mother? It cheapens us, the living, if we are no different or better than a zygote. We have relationships...we have thoughts and feelings...zygotes don't. That's again why I brought up the sentience of pigs and it's why I can't with good conscience strip away a woman's right to end the pregnancy, especially in cases of rape or if the fetus is damaged somehow. This is different of course after it's alive and born and can develop relationships....We can't go around killing people.... developing cellular material is very different from a "person", even if it's the stuff to make a person.
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I don't have a idea, but neither do you. But I am not for killing them because I don't know what they will be.
 
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Kisses1990 said:
Wow for the LAST TIME-- I don't condone killing ANYTHING!!! Even zygotes!! I hate death! I wish nothing had to die ever! I'm talking about instances where the parents are irresponsible and have a baby anyway, even though it's missing a vital organ and it's going to SUFFER. THAT is immoral not to abort early...and irresponsible of the parents not to. There are good cases when abortion should happen.

And I'm probably one of the nicest people you could ever meet if you did meet me lol
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I would not trust you in a room alone with a goldfish ...
 
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Kisses1990 said:
I'm just calling it by the medical term... And you're the evil one if you endorse suffering of others...




You have no idea what a "potential" human would amount to. Maybe this fetus would grow up to be Hitler. Maybe it would grow up to be Beethoven. It really doesn't matter... You can speculate what ifs all day and never get anywhere. The point is it doesn't matter what "could have been". It's useless to stress yourself thinking about it. The people that matter are us...the people. The mothers matter. Why do we always care about the baby more than the mother? It cheapens us, the living, if we are no different or better than a zygote. We have relationships...we have thoughts and feelings...zygotes don't. That's again why I brought up the sentience of pigs and it's why I can't with good conscience strip away a woman's right to end the pregnancy, especially in cases of rape or if the fetus is damaged somehow. This is different of course after it's alive and born and can develop relationships....We can't go around killing people.... developing cellular material is very different from a "person", even if it's the stuff to make a person.
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Do you know who Margret Sanger is? You should read all you can about her. You sound like her....you should hear what she has to say about black people.
 
posthuman

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We are supposed to be wise in how we choose our battles tho.....right? ;)
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yeah -- and abortion is a lost cause. it's not a good reason to choose a candidate IMO, certainly not a sufficient reason by itself.

being able to provide education to the poor, so that they can be qualified for those jobs we import people from India & China for instead, is a battle i think worth fighting.
being able to provide basic healthcare for the elderly and the poor is another battle i think is worth fighting.
reducing the influence of corporate lobbying and the corruption in campaign finance is a battle i think is worth fighting.
holding wall street accountable is a battle i think is worth fighting.

you do too, right?
 
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Sirk said:
They are sentient. They feel. They are happy and they are sad. They feel connection. They crave it. It's hardwired into them because they are human.
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It's a gradual process of becoming more and more sentient. You cannot argue that they are not sentient the moment of conception! lol That's foolish. Being "human" has nothing to do with it. Many animals are sentient.
 
JosephsDreams

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Kisses1990 said:
I am, and that's one more reason why I wouldn't worry much about a zygote... if God does give it a soul upon conception, then it's surely in good hands...I care about the parents who are suffering with the loss of their pregnancy if it's ectopic for example
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Well, I am not going to make a judgement and say your not a Christian because you believe in abortion, but have you prayed about this? Has God told you He agrees with this view of yours?
 
posthuman

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Desdichado said:
Did you also introduce him to Starflyer 59?
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if he reads my threads in the music section, yeah lol.

do you think he's ignoring SF59?

((takes the opportunity))

[video=youtube;r4_hCPIR8Ps]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4_hCPIR8Ps[/video]
 
Sirk

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posthuman said:
yeah -- and abortion is a lost cause. it's not a good reason to choose a candidate IMO, certainly not a sufficient reason by itself.

being able to provide education to the poor, so that they can be qualified for those jobs we import people from India & China for instead, is a battle i think worth fighting.
being able to provide basic healthcare for the elderly and the poor is another battle i think is worth fighting.
reducing the influence of corporate lobbying and the corruption in campaign finance is a battle i think is worth fighting.
holding wall street accountable is a battle i think is worth fighting.

you do too, right?
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I do. I just want that young lady to see beyond what she has been taught out of a textbook. I don't vote based on my faith. Never have.
 
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Sirk said:
Do you know who Margret Sanger is? You should read all you can about her. You sound like her....you should hear what she has to say about black people.
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Blacks are like weeds that need to be destroyed ..through abortion ..Hillarys hero and blacks just keep voting for these people?
 
JosephsDreams

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Mitspa said:
This is so horrible .. calling a baby a zygote in order to murder it ... I'm sickened by people like this and if not for the rules on this forum ..I would make this girl feel like a zygote
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Easy my man...
 
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Mitspa said:
I would not trust you in a room alone with a goldfish ...
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likewise.... you might try and eat it! Really, you can think whatever bad thoughts you want about me. I'm not here to fight. I was hoping to state my opinion and maybe teach some people that were confused about some things. I really am probably the nicest person you could meet. I wouldn't hurt a fly. I feel like you think I'm like a darn serial killer or something.. :(
 
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Mitspa said:
You are playing word games and at the end the government will police the behavior of folks because the government will be in charge of their health...no thank you ...
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What do you mean by "word games" and how am I playing them?
 
Sirk

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Kisses1990 said:
It's a gradual process of becoming more and more sentient. You cannot argue that they are not sentient the moment of conception! lol That's foolish. Being "human" has nothing to do with it. Many animals are sentient.
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You don't know that. You just pulled that out of thin air. It's foolish to allow yourself to have such a hard heart. Read up on Margret Sanger. She shares your view about babies in the womb. See if you have similar views on race.....cuz I'm afraid that is where your view on babies will take you.
 
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Mitspa said:
Blacks are like weeds that need to be destroyed ..through abortion ..Hillarys hero and blacks just keep voting for these people?
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Wow...I sincerely hope you're being facetious...
 
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Kisses1990 said:
It's a gradual process of becoming more and more sentient. You cannot argue that they are not sentient the moment of conception! lol That's foolish. Being "human" has nothing to do with it. Many animals are sentient.
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I'm reporting this post..this is a Christian forum ..if its not ? I'm gone
 
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Lol they sit here talking about abortion like they're outraged, but only one candidate of either party has even done anything substantive to staunch the scourge of abortion, and that's Kasich, and they don't want him, they would rather be lied to. All the other candidates just blow hot air like their supporters.
 
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