Utah Reduced Chronic Homelessness By 91 Percent; Here's How

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Dude653

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tinytom said:
Can you say Tenncare...people came from all around for free insurance from the state of Tennessee.
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I live in Tennessee and I can't get TennCare.
 
Dude653

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It is doomed to failure. The program will grow exponentially throughout America until it bleeds the economy dry. Parasites are exactly that, parasites. They contribute nothing.
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Homeless doesn't always mean lazy. There are people who work but are still homeless. Some people can't afford to pay upwards of $1,000 a month for an apartment
 
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What I'm not understanding is that if it's true that it's cheaper in the long run to house them (to avoid paying court/jail fees, ER visits, etc...) why anyone would be against Housing First.

If it's true (which I have yet to see any site debunk as them lying) that it's cheaper, you'd rather not house them and have the government pay more money? I thought this would be a win-win for everyone. :(
 
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Or how about we address the issue of why housing is so expensive in the first place? I Googled apartments in New York and apparently the average rent in New York is $3,000 a month
 
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What I'm not understanding is that if it's true that it's cheaper in the long run to house them (to avoid paying court/jail fees, ER visits, etc...) why anyone would be against Housing First.

If it's true (which I have yet to see any site debunk as them lying) that it's cheaper, you'd rather not house them and have the government pay more money? I thought this would be a win-win for everyone. :(
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To some it's better to have them stockpiled in the gutter rather than helping them. They are so lazy, you know...
 
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Utah said:
Total bunk! Hardly anyone who is provided everything for free on the backs of others is going to want to work. They're going to kick back, drink, smoke and relax. I see it everyday here where I live.
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What you have said is the HUGEST problem with the myriad of welfare programs and socialist trap this country is in.

WHAT IS THE INCENTIVE TO EVER GET OFF OF THESE PROGRAMS!!!!!

It bears a complete misunderstanding of human nature.
 
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Homeless doesn't always mean lazy. There are people who work but are still homeless. Some people can't afford to pay upwards of $1,000 a month for an apartment
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I understand; I've volunteered many nights at my congregation helping homeless men. Many of them work but many of them don't. I say help the brothers who work, introduce the Aleutian Islands to those who don't.
 
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I agree that rent is very high just about every place and that is bad but the rent for New York you must be seeing is for New York city maybe. How ever there is a problem with people being able to afford housing I have seen several people around my town living in their vehicles this is unacceptable this day in age. We need programs to help people with rent and such that are trying the system is messed up because of the people who do loaf around and not care the people who do try have to pay. The States are not going to pay workers to sit around and sift through to see who is complying with work and etc. to weed out the bad people. This is a problem but often people say it is the people who are sufferings fault they are not doing enough etc...
 
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Dude653 said:
Homeless doesn't always mean lazy. There are people who work but are still homeless. Some people can't afford to pay upwards of $1,000 a month for an apartment
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You sure aint in my part of Tennessee, that's 2 house payments, and a light bill around here.
 
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What I'm not understanding is that if it's true that it's cheaper in the long run to house them (to avoid paying court/jail fees, ER visits, etc...) why anyone would be against Housing First.

If it's true (which I have yet to see any site debunk as them lying) that it's cheaper, you'd rather not house them and have the government pay more money? I thought this would be a win-win for everyone. :(
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I thought we did house them, to a huge extent. Around here we call them the projects, and they are not a place you want to be when the sun goes down.

Insanity= doing the same thing, time and time again, and expecting different results.
 
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Or how about we address the issue of why housing is so expensive in the first place? I Googled apartments in New York and apparently the average rent in New York is $3,000 a month
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Supply and demand.

They give away land in Kansas, and a few other states.
 
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Aint no such thing as a free lunch folks...except the Lord starts dividing bread and fish
 
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Lets assume worst case scenario and 100% of homeless people are lazy.

As a tax payer, wouldn't I advocate for Housing First if it meant less money coming out of my own pocket? Why would I object to Housing First if it means less of my tax money is used?
 
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Lets assume worst case scenario and 100% of homeless people are lazy.

As a tax payer, wouldn't I advocate for Housing First if it meant less money coming out of my own pocket? Why would I object to Housing First if it means less of my tax money is used?
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Thus says the Lord..."If a man will not work, he should not eat"
 
JosephsDreams

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KimPetras said:
Lets assume worst case scenario and 100% of homeless people are lazy.

As a tax payer, wouldn't I advocate for Housing First if it meant less money coming out of my own pocket? Why would I object to Housing First if it means less of my tax money is used?
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I can't see it, you made the text to small.
Well from a financial viewpoint, yeah, of course. From a morale standpoint, I would not be to happy housing people who scam the system.
 
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Thus says the Lord..."If a man will not work, he should not eat"
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Housing First doesn't permit them to eat their house, but rather live in it. :p
 
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I can't see it, you made the text to small.
Well from a financial viewpoint, yeah, of course. From a morale standpoint, I would not be to happy housing people who scam the system.
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So you'd be willing for the government to waste more of your money by paying for the services that come from homelessness when it could actually solve two-birds with one stone due to a moral principle? I can understand that actually, I just disagree.
 
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You see the principal behind that? Right?
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I do. I get the moral viewpoint that Joseph's Dream makes as well. I think I might be too much of a pragmatist. Especially since it's not true that 100% of homeless people are lazy.
 
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