What does the Bible say about homosexuality...
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We can dance around it all day long, but homosexuality is condemned in the Bible as sin, Romans 1 pointing out the very behavior as exemplary of fools and those who changed the image of God to that of corruptible man. It is characterized as uncleanness and dishonor. What part of this don't some people understand? Homosexual "marriage" is an affront to Holy God and His holy covenant of marriage, which has similitude to the relationship of the Lord Jesus to the body of Christ, His bride, not an ordinance of God to be monkeyed with. The rest of the discussion as to what is lovey-dovey, kumbaya, politically correct, or how the sin could be any worse than stealing a pen from work, is like where this conversation began,
Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
You don't steal the pen from work, or practice homosexuality. The rest is vain gymnastics. The word of God: take it, or leave it, but don't pretend there's anything in between.
Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
You don't steal the pen from work, or practice homosexuality. The rest is vain gymnastics. The word of God: take it, or leave it, but don't pretend there's anything in between.
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it really doesn't matter what I think about it or the Untied States, President , etc... it is what God has said about it that matters. HE has not, nor will HE ever approve, condone, accept or recognize this or any SIN as: ok, good, or acceptable.
Man/women has perverted the Love of God in suggesting "Gods great Love" HE in someway has accepted this SIN. HE has not as HE has not with drunkenness, murder, lying and sexual sin or any sin.
Man/women has perverted the Love of God in suggesting "Gods great Love" HE in someway has accepted this SIN. HE has not as HE has not with drunkenness, murder, lying and sexual sin or any sin.
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We have to be careful! When I was in ministry a Christian man owned a company and he pledged to help our ministry. He was not asked, he came to us after the service and said God had told him to give to us free of charge. We counted it a blessing and took him up on it only a handful of times. One time we went back and he was nasty and cold,he had changed his mind about what God had said awful fast. We were upset but I said "its in Gods hands". I don't know if the man is still in business today but he will answer for what he did. And because he knew better he will be judged severely. Its not just people outside the church that do not keep promises. You see a lot of that in ministry.
J
Truth is truth, sin is sin, hell and damnation real. The gospel is repentance, faith in Jesus Christ, that we must be born again, new creatures. Maybe it's about time somebody worried more about giving people the truth as to the horrific danger their souls are in, and worry less about their throats. I realize this doesn't wash with Joel Osteen, but I've always been more a fan of the whole gospel, that saves.
that is a very interesting statement: " Are we spirit led" " or are we fulfilling our flesh while shoving bible verses down their throats"?
I guess the question that comes to mind is would the Spirit lead us to accept a sin or lead us contrary to the the bible says about this sin or any other for that matter? If one tells a person that Homosexuality is sin and not approved by God, are we not to show them in the Bible where it is said? surely one would not agree it is wrong because we said it is? The word of God is what we approach the issue with in Love.
I am not an advocate of the Joel Osteen crowd so you can get off your lofty judgemental mountain sir!
I would assert that you keep quiet because it seems you came here to divide rather than discuss. The enemy is attacking Gods children mightily and your kind is helping him. I am fully aware that we are to go out and spread the gospel. It is how we do it that reflects back on where it is coming from. Hearts are changed because GOD DRAWS them not because you poke at them with hell and brimstone . It may behoove you to read the whole thread rather than jumping in and attacking. But I do thank you for exemplifying exactly what I have been trying to convey. FLESH vs spirit. Thank you
I would assert that you keep quiet because it seems you came here to divide rather than discuss. The enemy is attacking Gods children mightily and your kind is helping him. I am fully aware that we are to go out and spread the gospel. It is how we do it that reflects back on where it is coming from. Hearts are changed because GOD DRAWS them not because you poke at them with hell and brimstone . It may behoove you to read the whole thread rather than jumping in and attacking. But I do thank you for exemplifying exactly what I have been trying to convey. FLESH vs spirit. Thank you
C
I know one guy who got set free and born again, although he still calls himself gay since he's not attracted to women, but he knows how to kick away lust thoughts that rarely come now.
He was treated in church and by christians very bad. He helps those others and tells them the truth in love. If there is no love and you don't pray for them better not spout Bible texts.
When I lived in sin you had those religious people from church who came over and left within a few minutes, afraid they would catch a demon. My mother shut up and prayed and invited us in her home and showed Love. That's why I came back.
This was also a great testimony and I think Michael Brown does a good job and Chad from loving homosexuals as Jesus would.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLo9RERy_Xg
He was treated in church and by christians very bad. He helps those others and tells them the truth in love. If there is no love and you don't pray for them better not spout Bible texts.
When I lived in sin you had those religious people from church who came over and left within a few minutes, afraid they would catch a demon. My mother shut up and prayed and invited us in her home and showed Love. That's why I came back.
This was also a great testimony and I think Michael Brown does a good job and Chad from loving homosexuals as Jesus would.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLo9RERy_Xg
J
I would assert that I don't have to be quiet, if you don't have to, especially where truth is concerned, and such a comment is affirmation that, for some reason, somebody would like to suppress the truth in God's word. You also display much harmony with your user name, Spoonfulofsugar. Let me know when you've been appointed to the Gestapo, as the truth censor, until then, I don't feel the need to please anybody who would say shutup about what's in scripture and the real gospel. Pull the angel of light love card with somebody else, maybe go "love" some homosexuals into hell.
If we are walking IN CHRIST we hate sin! That is a given and it is ONE evidence that we are reborn again. Im only trying to convey that we need to make sure it is the spirit that prompts our tongues and not our flesh. I think we need to be talking about flesh vs spirit alot within the body of Christ. I see a whole lot of discussion on these forums where the flesh is leading. I am guilty of it myself. But God is leading me to a straighter path and I only want people to ponder on this. It makes all the difference!!
J
Wow. Satan has stolen your tongue..................
Matthew 10:34-36 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Now, call me Beelzebub and make my day, further proving who you're really speaking for. I mean I love it, really, as they said the very Lord had a devil. So, any other joy you have lurking in that darkness?
At its crux, this is an identity issue. People accept a label and membership in a community, for support over something they can't control. A spiritual affliction propagated strategically by demons.
Homosexuality isn't truly about being attracted to the same gender. It's about being -dissonant-. It is sexual behavior as an expression of a great internal brokenness and dislocation. Like your leg breaks and fuses back together wrong, or your hip is dislocated and causes constant pain and is never mended. On a spiritual level people are numb, blind, and bound up, they can't see or feel all of what's wrong with them, but they feel enough and the wrongness manifests in their life. Homosexuality is about putting a label on this to validate it and normalize it and enable it, and to pretend it's not broken, because without God there is no solution, there is only pretense.
There is a spiritual agenda behind the spirits involved and how they use this. It tears at the symbols God gave us to grow society and family. It elevates the self as the determiner of truth and source of identity. It weaponizes the pain and torment stored up in these people as a radiant corrosive force on the moral fabric of society, an intractable problem which reacts violently in the spirit realm to anyone trying to stop its spread. It props up the humanistic ethics spirits that function like religious spirits.
Actual people bound in this aren't necessarily aware of how they're being used. I sympathize with believers who struggle with it, knowing it's wrong and not accepting it -- it is a deviously painful thing to be spiritually attacked with. So looking at someone who struggles with these sexual urges does not mean, looking at a participant in the agenda, even if their struggle is partly because of the agenda. Agenda isn't even the right word, it's more like a cultivated spiritual sickness, a channeled epidemic of the identity which the enemy is using like a 'biological weapon' against the church.
But it's all built on lies and pain, so it's self-defeating if we just connect to something better and abide in God. The Church's reaction to this in some cases is because we prefer dealing with it in our own knowledge instead of going to God and relating to everything from there... where the real power is.
I mean of course they're going to come up with all these terms and theories and ethics and ridiculousness because we aren't providing them the alternative. Throwing verses is not the same as loving someone. We need to look past the dissonance to the human spirit that needs God just like we need God. When we look at people in bondage to homosexuality, do we have hope for them, faith for them, love for them? Isn't that what's needed? I think what this all means is that we need to go to God and get more so we can give more and turn back the tide of brokenness.
Homosexuality isn't truly about being attracted to the same gender. It's about being -dissonant-. It is sexual behavior as an expression of a great internal brokenness and dislocation. Like your leg breaks and fuses back together wrong, or your hip is dislocated and causes constant pain and is never mended. On a spiritual level people are numb, blind, and bound up, they can't see or feel all of what's wrong with them, but they feel enough and the wrongness manifests in their life. Homosexuality is about putting a label on this to validate it and normalize it and enable it, and to pretend it's not broken, because without God there is no solution, there is only pretense.
There is a spiritual agenda behind the spirits involved and how they use this. It tears at the symbols God gave us to grow society and family. It elevates the self as the determiner of truth and source of identity. It weaponizes the pain and torment stored up in these people as a radiant corrosive force on the moral fabric of society, an intractable problem which reacts violently in the spirit realm to anyone trying to stop its spread. It props up the humanistic ethics spirits that function like religious spirits.
Actual people bound in this aren't necessarily aware of how they're being used. I sympathize with believers who struggle with it, knowing it's wrong and not accepting it -- it is a deviously painful thing to be spiritually attacked with. So looking at someone who struggles with these sexual urges does not mean, looking at a participant in the agenda, even if their struggle is partly because of the agenda. Agenda isn't even the right word, it's more like a cultivated spiritual sickness, a channeled epidemic of the identity which the enemy is using like a 'biological weapon' against the church.
But it's all built on lies and pain, so it's self-defeating if we just connect to something better and abide in God. The Church's reaction to this in some cases is because we prefer dealing with it in our own knowledge instead of going to God and relating to everything from there... where the real power is.
I mean of course they're going to come up with all these terms and theories and ethics and ridiculousness because we aren't providing them the alternative. Throwing verses is not the same as loving someone. We need to look past the dissonance to the human spirit that needs God just like we need God. When we look at people in bondage to homosexuality, do we have hope for them, faith for them, love for them? Isn't that what's needed? I think what this all means is that we need to go to God and get more so we can give more and turn back the tide of brokenness.