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PeacefulWarrior
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When "these things" actually means "human life", you better believe people are going to take it seriously!
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When "these things" actually means "human life", you better believe people are going to take it seriously!
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KimPetras
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I think people want to hi-jack the meaning of "life" to make it mean only "unborn" human life. They same the unborn is "no different than the born" but have such opposition to using "pro-life" to mean "for human life" (born and unborn alike). It exposes their contradiction.
Killing an innocent child in the womb...executing a cold blooded killer who planned his murder with forethought and a concious decision. Hi apple, I'm orange, pleased to meet you.
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Kisses1990
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This question is poorly worded because I am against "capital punishment" but I am for abortion.
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Kisses1990
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Glad we agree... Capital Punishment is a proven failure as a deterrent from other odious crimes. Many people on death row are mentally ill, handicapped, or innocent awaiting new evidence. Even the ones that got there for legitimate reasons had no choice in the matter in the crime they did. Who are we to choose death for someone else? It's barbaric and primitive.
Again....makes total sense. Who are we to choose death for someone else? Thinking about it....abortion doctors and murderers have a lot in common.
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blamonkey
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Peaceful Warrior, I understand your problem morally, but what I don't understand is why the church or any Christian theology needs to have an opinion on this. If you think it is murder, don't get an abortion. However, preventing others from having abortions legally will only result in unsafe practices such as abortions under the knife of someone from the black market. According to a Huffington Post article in 2014, because Texas completely outlawed abortin except in cases where it is a danger to human life, one woman who ended up pregnant went to Mexico to have the procedure done which resulted in internal hemorrhaging as a result of a complication of the surgery which could have ended her life. Not only this, but according to a NCBI study in 2009, some 68,000 women die annually due to unsafe abortions. Not only this, but the monumental Roe Vs. Wade decision by the SCOTUS declared abortion a right for women.
So with all due respect, even with the moral quandries there is no clear answer, after all, the majority of life questions aren't black and white. Morally I would discourage abortion as if does kill the child, but I can't force my opinion on others, I can only explain it.
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Ben
Sources if you want to check them:
Unsafe Abortion: Unnecessary Maternal Mortality
The Return Of The Back-Alley Abortion
P.S No hard feelings just my view.
So with all due respect, even with the moral quandries there is no clear answer, after all, the majority of life questions aren't black and white. Morally I would discourage abortion as if does kill the child, but I can't force my opinion on others, I can only explain it.
Thanks,
Ben
Sources if you want to check them:
Unsafe Abortion: Unnecessary Maternal Mortality
The Return Of The Back-Alley Abortion
P.S No hard feelings just my view.
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Kisses1990
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There is a lot different between a fetus and a full grown person with a conscience and a consciousness and thoughts, etc... This is why I can't support capital punishment for murderers (two wrongs don't make a right) but I can justify it for fetuses since it's the mother who should matter most. Again the murderer could not have chosen otherwise at the moment he did something horrendous. We must be protected from those type of people, but remain compassionate and not wish for them to suffer or die as a form of vengeance.
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KimPetras
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You're comparing sins of the unborn to the sins of the born. We aren't comparing sins... we are comparing human life to human life. Apple (unborn human being), meet apple (born human being).
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KimPetras
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Then you're pro-life when it comes to capital punishment, and pro-choice when it comes to abortion. It's not poorly worded.
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KimPetras
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Totally agree... more importantly, it goes against the Spirit of Christ when he stopped people from giving the adulterer the death penalty.
The OT clearly states that capital punishment is just. While the New Testament does not denounce the idea of capital punishment but instead assumes the right of the state to use it. With that, I support capital punishment for guilty criminals particularly the murderers. But I am pro life when it comes to the innocent so I'm against abortion.
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Kisses1990
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Capital punishment tends to exclusively mean/be geared toward inmates on death row. It's not the same thing as abortion. Killing a living, conscious, sentient being is very different than aborting a pregnancy.
Exactly, capital punishment is just. Abortion is unjust. Are you implying that abortionists are murderers but they dont deserve capital punishment?
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Kisses1990
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Huh? This is the exact opposite of what I was trying to say... I think abortion is something that I can support and there might be good reasons to have an abortion, but I don't think there are good reasons to kill any adult that does not wish to be killed who is in a state that is not comatose or something where they are impaired, then it's the family or governments or hospitals choice and depends on space available, etc..
I don't believe the state should execute someone unless there are two witnesses to the crime, and then only for crimes such as murder, adultery, male homosexual activity, beastiality, kidnapping and caught while having the captured person with them, and things of that nature.
Why would we expect you to care about innocent little babies being killed? We expect other people to care.
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Jak795
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I'm for it too, but only on extreme circumstances. I don't believe abortion is something you should use when a child is just too "inconvenient" when you're perfectly able to support one. But for something like in Texas where the woman had to carry a dead fetus. Yeah, that's just plain cruel.